Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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On the topic of learning about the previous incarnations of Morgur, there is an obvious one that is not even mentioned: Nehekhara and their lore. We already can get some from our White colledge buddies, and after that, well, nehekharan priests are still around we could try to find and meet them. Oh, and Cython might know something on the subject too.
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I think there's evidence that pre-Time of Woe the dwarves kept herds of mountain cattle, but that the climate change associated with all the volcanoes followed by greenskin invasions meant they stopped.
The elves and dwarves were apparently fighting very strong beastmen forces well before Nekekhara or the skaven existed, although they may have been much more varied at that point and only settled into their predominantly caprine (goat-like) with a lesser presence of bovine beastmen later.
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That sounds like a Vampire the Masquerade/Vampire the Requiem reference. Diablerie is the name for a vampire eating another vampire in those games. In Masquerade, this is a good thing as it grants you the strength of the vampire you ate. In Requiem this is a bad thing, as the devoured vampire will live rent free in your head for the rest of your immortal existence.
I am literally the guy who keeps pushing the "Asuryan is Ranald in a mask" theory. The idea that Asuryan isn't actually Asuryan isn't new to me.
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deathofrats0808
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They could have fled west. Or died during their escape. There's no guarantee that abadoning the Hold would lead to survival, even if it's your best choice at the time.
Can they though? We know Dragons can choose to bind themselves to the Winds, but where's the evidence they can be changed by others?
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From the story it sounded like he found them more than made them...but that said, maybe their shared goat-like attributes is why he found them. Or maybe it's why beastmen tend to be more goatlike than resembling other animals? Maybe they were a lot less uniform before his bonding with them.
This gameline separation isn't quite true. The devoured can wind up taking you over even in Masquerade if they're powerful enough, and doesn't always do so in Requiem (you still get the power boost, too). It's more dangerous in Requiem, but it's really pretty much the same process of eating someone's soul in both.
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In Liber Necris, Mannfred says/strongly implies that by consuming other vampire's blood (and for Warhammer vampires, the consumption of blood is a symbolic link used to eat the energy of someone's soul), you can gain access to learn their bloodline talents.
Forest dragons who bound themselves to Athel Loren, probably.
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Sir_Travelsalot
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I think it was implied that this is how W'Soran survived past his 'death' and then masqueraded as Melkhior for a couple thousand years, so there's a precedent to it in Warhammer.
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I don't think Boney is particularly likely to draw on Chaosbane as a source.
Well, I called it diablerie in that thread as a reference to V:tM. The GM didn't call it that. But then, everybody in that thread also quickly picked up on the V:TM similarity and a few went "Hmm, was Vampire: the Masquerade published some time before Games Workshop decided to split the Undead faction into Mummies (Nehekhara) and Vampires (Vampire Counts)? Maybe they were referencing or inspired by Vampire the Masquerade. And/or the general rise of vampire in popular fiction that came about due to V:tM."
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You know, it occurs to me that there's actually one person Mathilde knows who might be able to talk to Morghur.
After all, when it brings up that Tylos was one of the places this being Once-Khsar, Who-Is-Now-Cor-Dum inhabited, inhabited and called home.
What was Cython doing back during their days around Tylos and its region of the world? Studying Gods. They spent time (perhaps the same time) living off the coast of Araby too. If there is any living being in all the world who knew Once-Kavzar, Who-Is-Now-Gor-Dum inhabited, back in the day, that being is Cython.
... I'll admit, the HUBRIS!, part of me now kind of wants to mount a second expedition. This time populated chiefly by remnants of that old god's legacy and memory, to see if he can be pried fully from Chaos.
Still, should refugees have happened, their mere existence of said refugees means that even if there aren't survivors, there will be graves. Either one will provide answers.
After all, when it brings up that Tylos was one of the places this being Once-Khsar, Who-Is-Now-Cor-Dum inhabited, inhabited and called home.
What was Cython doing back during their days around Tylos and its region of the world? Studying Gods. They spent time (perhaps the same time) living off the coast of Araby too. If there is any living being in all the world who knew Once-Kavzar, Who-Is-Now-Gor-Dum inhabited, back in the day, that being is Cython.
... I'll admit, the HUBRIS!, part of me now kind of wants to mount a second expedition. This time populated chiefly by remnants of that old god's legacy and memory, to see if he can be pried fully from Chaos.
Aye, the possibility of them, say, falling to the Skaven has definitely occurred to me. (The Moulder capital is Right There.)
Still, should refugees have happened, their mere existence of said refugees means that even if there aren't survivors, there will be graves. Either one will provide answers.
This is a very nice theory but we have proof manifest of non-Dhar material immortality, the ascension of single wind wizards like the Gold Wizards' Gilding. You do not need sevir or dhar, the winds will do in a pinch if you are willing to embrace them.
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I never really cared for that idea, mind-transfers seems to sharply disagree with the whole "vampirism works by binding the soul inextricably to their physical form" thing.
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If one vampire drains another dry of their blood and incorporate part of their physical form into your own along with their soul, I could see the first coming out on top of the conflict for the driving sheet for the resulting hybrid body, if the blood was the largest amount of their body in one place.
But is that vampire-tier immortality? Or spirit-like immortality? Or even just agelessness?
i.e. Maybe it just makes you Elemental-like... but Elementals need a source of magic to remain manifest on this world. Or maybe don't need magic, but need to bind themselves to a location, and get "free upkeep" if they are at that region.
... Also also, we don't actually KNOW if it's immortality, do we? We don't even know if it's true, full, agelessness -- it's not like we've had one to two thousand years for us to check it out and try with the Gold Wizards.
We don't even know if it's an Elemental ascension yet. We don't even know for sure if the Gold Wizards gilding ritual is a full-on "yeah this makes you quasi like an Elemental" tier yet.
Maybe it's just a really good booster to your physical stats and your lifespan, but not completely perfect.
We've called it immortality or Wind Ascension or Elemental transformation or whatever other thing we call it. But, in the end, we don't know for sure if it's immortality/agelessness/whatever.
Certainly it's not immortality on the level of a vampire; pretty sure that fully Gilded wizards die if they get killed, and don't get a conveniently "there's a procedure for this, you just need to input energy, or maybe do a ritual if the death was really bad" resurrection method paired with their Gilding thing.
Mopman43
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I don't think that's how the whole "W'soran took over Melkhior while the latter was killing him" was supposed to have happened in the novel.
Which IC author who would choose to tell the story would know enough about what went down to accurately describe it though?
Anything written in the novel is just what someone inside the setting would probably be either speculating with various degrees of backing or simply made up because it made a good story for the IC listeners/readers.
I mean a vampire also needs a source of magic to do anything, without Dhar or souls they call into torpor. Granted we have only had gilding for a few generations, but there has been no indication that the people who undertook it aged at all. More to the point whatever von Draken did to herself with the Wind of Death also seems to grant agelessness. There is also the fact that necromancy, the foundation of vampirism isn't just Dhar it is Dhar and Shysh, a perversion of the Wind of Endings, it kind of seems reasonable that of all things that would make you extra immortal.
If it were just Dhar alone that held the secrets of similar immortality why do we not see other Dhar users do the same. The closest we have are the Council of Thirteen, but those certainly die when killed.