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This may cause you trouble in the future, but you welcome a future where a problem you're dealing with is aesthetic criticism of the new Waystones being built throughout the Empire, and House Tindomiel will help you reach that future.
It will be nice to inflict divided loyalties on other people. The cults must choose whether foreign graffiti is more important than pushing back Chaos.
An obvious choice you might think, but still one that many priests and politicians will agonise over.

indeterminate but advanced age
Has Mathilde ever managed to determine the age of any elf?

that at any given time there's a dozen stamped from the same mold as him in the halls of the University of Altdorf, the type that would give a lecture to a half dozen with the same enthusiasm as he would a thousand if they seemed like they were paying attention.
Perhaps not high praise, but certainly favourable.
While the narrative has never shown Mathilde attending lectures I get the impression she very much enjoys learning from enthusiastic teachers.

While the Eonir have been largely broken of the arrogance of Ulthuan by centuries of having to treat individual provinces of the Empire as their geopolitical equals, the Grey Lords predate that reality and have been insulated from it by the security of their liminal realm, and you expect you'll have to do some work to shake Hatalath into doing more than smiling indulgently down at you all and throwing out the occasional cryptic comment.
Doubt that will take active effort on our part. We can best prove our competence by just being competent in his vicinity. No need for dramatic shenanigans.

Thorek, on the other hand, seems more willing to engage, but very severely restricted in how he can do so. The Cult of Thungni has very strong opinions on the importance of keeping their secrets, and it will take a fair bit of tact and sensitivity to extract much useful from him.
…somewhat tragically we are going to have to do to him what we did to Belegar. Warp his world view such that how he perceives his obligations and priorities changes. Except this time we are doing it deliberately.

At the head of a table of seven humans, three Elves and a Dwarf
I see Mathilde is categorising Cadaeth as an elf. I was under the impression she was something else.

"Some might see this as reason to despair, because the gulf between our modern capabilities and the wonders of the distant past is very well-documented. But we're not talking about a holy artefact crafted by a God, or a one-off masterwork of a long-dead genius, or a unique confluence of unlikely circumstances. These things were mass-produced and erected across four continents. However inspired the development of them must have been, the result was something that was implemented, managed, and maintained by the ordinary.

"The best of today may not be the equal of the best of the Golden Age, but I damn well think we can measure up to their Max Mustermanns and Chuj Gowies, their Okri Okrissons and Thananludwigs."

You'll never admit if part of you was hoping for a standing ovation, but the firm nods from all present is enough to go forward with
Well I like it.

Also it is a good narrative to push. The skills of the modern age might not be as great as the ancients managed, but we are far from incapable.

The first matter is a rather dull one of terminology,
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But for now, you take the win and call a break for lunch.
That was perhaps the biggest hurdle. If we couldn't all understand each other than cooperating would have been much more difficult.

Perhaps it is a good thing we didn't get the Damsels yet. Weather or not their arcane knowledge is of Ulthuan, or even elvish in general, decent the fact that they mix secular and divine power may have been a stumbling block.

"This," you say as you use Ulgu to draw in the air a wireframe representation of your object of study at Fort Brachsenbrücke, "is what I believe to be a typical representation of the most common form of Waystone in the lowlands of the Old World, erected by the combined efforts of Ulthuan and the Karaz Ankor.
While this is noted to be a specific type of Waystone there doesn't seem to be any interest in comparing it with other variants. Could be deliberate on Mathilde's part as she has only examined this type. Could be they agreed off-screen that optimisation can wait for later.

"The cunning beings in silver ships," you observe.

Hatalath's smile fades and he gives you a long, thoughtful look. "Yes. Them."
And Hatalath has no way to know that that single line is essentially everything Mathilde knows about the Old Ones.
Grey Wizard MO: drop mystic hints and bluff like hell.

"But is it a loanword, a mere label, or is it an active mechanism in the workings of the Waystone?
Notably there are working Waystones without the symbol so it clearly isn't a critical component. Still, something to test in the prototype phase.

"Part of the Dwarven contribution to the Waystones," Thorek finally chimes in, "was the application of certain techniques of Runesmithing while carving those Runes, which enhanced the effect it had upon the stone." He offers no more than that, and for now you make no attempt to extract more.
It is highly unlikely we will convince him to teach those techniques. Which means if we do incorporate it into the design we will need a Runesmith to help with every Waystone.
Something to consider.

Almost certainly an active component and almost certainly a synthetic alloy. We may need more Gold Wizards than Johann is there is alchemy to be done, but with luck it is just smithing that Max or other high quality blacksmiths can accomplish.

"It is theorized that the pyramidions of Nehekhara may be made of the same substance, though that would be a carefully-kept secret of the Mortuary Cult and, of course, rather fraught to investigate further," she says.
It is a shame really. The Lich Priests have a lot of knowledge that would be of great use to the project. But getting that knowledge out of them is hilariously difficult and trying to include them in the project… no.

Wheel of Magic
Star of Chaos
Gate of Cosmic Order
Elemental Compass
This has a rather deep implication. Specifically that the 'Star of Chaos' is a neutral thing that the forces of Chaos use, rather than being something that is in itself of Chaos.

"Energy flows along the cardinal directions are easiest to maintain," Cadaeth says. "And ordinal ones, to a lesser extent."
That will be very important for the logistics of mass implementation. And should be helpful for finding any 'missing' Waystone sites.
Hope Mathilde knows how to account for planetary curvature.

Hatalath is giving you another thoughtful look now, which you take as a good sign.
I'm starting to suspect that Hatalath is either lazy or uninterested in the Project.
He didn't bother to read up on the laws governing the Waystones and he didn't bother to investigate the other participants. Both Mathilde and Johann have very advanced Wind Sight.

"The shadow and the smoke rather suit you, but I suppose the equivalents for Dhar would be rather disastrous for humans, wouldn't they? So you'd never even touch it."
This implies that elves can use Dhar without disastrous results. Which likely means the Druchii don't have any One Neat Trick for using Dark Magic. They are just face tanking the Dhar.

"Why push or pull when there's something at hand that will do it for you? Dhar wants to return from whence it came, and it pulls on the other Winds. If you add one other Wind it'll just get sucked into the Dhar which is counterproductive if you want to make use of that Wind elsewhere, but if you have at least two you can set them up in a stable diametric orbit, as they repel each other exactly as much as the Dhar attracts them."
While the Article breach is the most important part of this, it should also be noted that this is very useful information for Windhearding. And potentially even the 'magic tongs' idea. Possibly not information we can use directly, but we shall see.

"On my last visit to Kislev, I did notice that the flow from Kislev City goes north to Praag."

"It is Ice Witch business," Zlata says apologetically.

"They took the leylines of the Elves and turned it into their own vortex," Niedzwenka says with a snort.
An unexpected benefit of having rival factions that know some of each others secrets.

"Around and around, Erengrad to Kislev City to Praag to Castle Alexandronov and back to Erengrad again, spinning it from Winds to Ice for the Widow's Witches to use against Kislev's enemies. Didn't the Elves howl and screech when they finally returned to Norvard and found their precious stones serving human masters!"
And yet, the Winds continue to flow south past Kislev. There is no noticable difference between the strength of magic south of Kislev and the strength south-east/west of Kislev. Nor is Kislev suffering from a continual and unchecked build-up of magic, which would eventually cause demons to spontaneously manifest.
Worth looking into.

trying to keep your thoughts from being entirely consumed by wild plans to do something similar within the Empire.
On the one hand, feature creep. On the other I seem to recall the original proposal Cadaeth outlined explicitly included the creation of 'secondary' networks. So Mathilde has all the justification she needs to think about it.

"Via Fort Solace," Cadaeth says. "It is difficult for leylines to be made to flow under mountains."

"Difficult for Elves," Thorek mutters.
It is not discussed whether leylines are a natural phenomenon and 'made to flow' means redirecting them, or if they are built from scratch.

"I really don't like the idea of Marienburg being able to hold half the continent hostage," you say faintly.
Not really a threat they can use. Blocking the Waystone is not an immediate problem. It would take years for significant deleterious effects to manifest. By which time the Empire would have mustered their forces and conquered the place, with Ulthuan's full support. The Asur care far more about the Network than about a merchant alliance.

Bugman's Brewery.

No wonder they made such good beer.
...seriously? Seriously?! The Dwarfs were using a continent-spanning industrial mega-project, one which powers their life support, to brew beer.

"I see... wait, no I don't. Straight west of L'Anguille is nothing but ocean until Naggaroth."

Hatalath blinks. "I must be thinking of somewhere else, then," he says, and rather evasively, it seems to you.
Pretty sure he was talking about Albion. Which suggests that finding Albion can be done by following the layline.
Not useful knowledge at present, but something to file away for future reference.

So that makes five different polities, aside from Ulthuan, that are using the Waystone Network for their own betterment.
Point of order: We have no actual evidence that Ulthuan makes deliberate use of the magic gathered by the Waystone network. To the best knowledge of everyone present the Asur dump all the energy directly into the Great Vortex.

"The Rune, the capstone's metal, the foundational wheel, the leylines, the tributaries, and the other networks. Six different avenues of investigation for us to discuss further.
Presumably looking at Waystones that lack some of those elements and observing differences will be an option.

A problem, but a simple one. None of the authorities of relevance are zealous idiots. We can get the permission needed, it just involves some paperwork.
All the 'scheme around it' options have the twin problems of a) not standing up to direct scrutiny and b) implying that we thing this is something we had to hide.
Although which of the two options is better… will take some thought.


In general it is interesting to note how firmly Mathilde directed the discussion. She is making it very clear that this is her project and that she is in-charge. As well as presenting things to the group that others have presented to her, rather than letting others present to the group.
 
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[X] Imperial Dispensation

Less potential for leaks. Less potential for people to get cold feet since the first project update is "Dark magic integral to waystones. Pls let me study dark magic".

I think Dragomas and Algard would be understanding if/once read in, and the colleges aren't likely to want large teams studying things involving dark magic anyway, so I wouldn't anticipate much increased support if we went that route.
 
So, it seems like Alric is the big issue with Collge. But his position isn't exactly solid. So one option would be going with ignorance to play for time, and working towards getting Alric kicked out. At that point, Mira will get a note, and she's not an issue.

Of course, that has its own issues. It means actively meddling in the politics of another college to produce a regime change, which is frankly a pretty bad precedent. It's also rather unclear how long this would take. Could be a while.

As a side note, people are overlooking a way more terrible possibility with Alric knowing: He gets super enthusiastic, because that's a great way to shore up his rep, and joins the project. After all, his dear protegee is already part and can get him an in! And he's got plenty experience leading imperial wizards, so it'll be a snap to take leadership.
And then Mathilde has to squabble with him.
 
The actual wording would be something like 'it is possible that the investigation of the Waystone Project may include the study of phenomenon that involve Dark Magic and thus run afoul of a strict reading of Article 7, and these wizards hereby have dispensation to perform this study without it being considered an Abominable Act'.
Huh, is that what is (likely) going to be on the memo?

That's... not bad actually? That's, like, kind of common sense-ish even; "Yo, the Waystones keep our world from getting too much magic" or maybe just "Yo, the Waystones handle a lot of magic". "Remember that if you get too much magic in one spot, or crush it together, or cross the streams like in Ghostbusters, it can turn into Dhar. We are now investigating Waystones, so we might investigate alongside this sort of phenomenom, obviously."


Anyway, to add on to and emphasize my "Let's keep working alongside the Colleges" point in my post above... I'd like to keep our options open.

I'd like to, if need be later on, go to the Wizards we've made deals with and ask for more stuff or information, and to have them be completely on the same page and knowing what's going on and thus able and willing to help us out. Whereas if some parts of our operation are opaque, they might not know as much. And also, it would mean one more thing we have to consider; 'Do I need this info/thing/etc bad enough to tell Feldmann about it?' If we go through the Colleges, we don't need to worry about that in the future.
 
The actual wording would be something like 'it is possible that the investigation of the Waystone Project may include the study of phenomenon that involve Dark Magic and thus run afoul of a strict reading of Article 7, and these wizards hereby have dispensation to perform this study without it being considered an Abominable Act'.
This I find reassuring, as one could point to dhar being funnelled away as the reason for this; if there was a cursory questioning as to why an exemption would be relevant.

I was uncomfortable with the idea of having the statement "waystones create dhar as part of their function" passed around in writing (i.e. the memo)

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Not fond of the idea of Alric potentially getting involved and making our precious cinnamon bun Egrimm feel bad, but this project will be low-key for a quite a while and he wants flashy, and we can visit Mira if we get desperate (as we went above and beyond for her favour) and Heidi to try and point him elsewhere.

[X] College Dispensation
Because we tell them he is a fuck up, which he is. I do not think they would take much persuading, though if you really wanted to push we could go with the implicit 'I am not working with that dipshit, if you let him in kiss the dwarf goodbye'.
Oh, another lever to keep in mind, in case we ever need to solve a problem like Alric :)
 
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And why are the elves doing what we tell them to?

Mathilde to the queen of Laurelorn *insert diplomatic doublespeak here*: A dipshit is trying to take over my project, if you let him into your lands I am walking and taking the dwarf with me
Queen: OK not like we know him from Adam
Mathilde *to Alric*: So sorry it seems the elves do not like you, they are a little touchy is all, have a nice day
 
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I think people are getting a little caught up in specific arguments of what Alric might do, or even that Alric will definitively be the one who does something if we go through Dragomas (which, yeah, he probably will, but still). Rather than get caught up on specific hypotheticals, it's better to just stick with what we can assume to be true: Someone (and again, yeah, probably Alric) will be an ass somehow that will give us a complication to deal with. It won't be a Battle for Control of the Waystone Project, but it probably will be annoying, and it won't be something we can easily avoid.

The alternative of going to the Emperor directly is there to avoid dealing with all that nonsense in exchange for stepping on Dragomas's toes. There's any number of excuses we could give him, like "Really, I'm doing this to help you, so that people don't mess with this thing you like." or "I'm a Grey Wizard, of course I like the sneakiest option." but his feathers will probably be ruffled. How that manifests, we can't really guess, but it likely won't be a problem during the Waystone Project.

So, between those two choices, that's what it comes down to:
We go through Dragomas and have to deal with someone (probably Alric) causing complication with the Waystone Project, or
We go through the Emperor and annoy Dragomas.
 
Mathilde to the queen of Laurelorn *insert diplomatic doublespeak here*: A dipshit is trying to take over my project, if you let him into your lands I am walking and taking the dwarf with me
Queen: OK not like we know him from Adam
Mathilde *to Alric*: So sorry it seems the elves do not like you, they are a little touchy is all, have a nice day
The queen asking Mathilde "so how big of a deal is he? Like could be help us diplomatically? "
Mathilde: " Ehm, you see, yes? But pls no I don't like him."
Your to sure that Mathilde would be the only one asked. And if they ask anyone else in the empire (like say, middenland) then they will get better reports...
 
...seriously? Seriously?! The Dwarfs were using a continent-spanning industrial mega-project, one which powers their life support, to brew beer.

Could just be that the hops and barley grown there are best ingredients or something thanks to the leyline flow. And you have to admit, for a dwarf of the Karaz Ankor's drinking culture, life without good beer is barely worth calling a life.
 
The queen asking Mathilde "so how big of a deal is he? Like could be help us diplomatically? "
Mathilde: " Ehm, you see, yes? But pls no I don't like him."
Your to sure that Mathilde would be the only one asked. And if they ask anyone else in the empire (like say, middenland) then they will get better reports...

I mean he cannot help them diplomatically, he is desperately trying to claw back his position. There is nothing he could do for the elves to make up for the lack of Thorek and without us Thorek is gone.
 
[X] Imperial Dispensation

Less potential for leaks. Less potential for people to get cold feet since the first project update is "Dark magic integral to waystones. Pls let me study dark magic".

I think Dragomas and Algard would be understanding if/once read in, and the colleges aren't likely to want large teams studying things involving dark magic anyway, so I wouldn't anticipate much increased support if we went that route.
This isn't "please let me study dark magic", this is "You know those stoney magic things? They keep the world from going kablooie from dhar." "This means that our research might wind up touching on dhar obliquely, because we are learning how to keep the world same from Dhar."

That's, like, the opposite of "please let me study dark magic."

This is in fact saying "please let us study the things that defend us against dark magic, so that we can make more of them."

Who would get cold feet over "wanting to build more Waystones, and also getting personal magic to work with for the wizards"?


... Also, that's another thought.

The Karaz Ankor and Athel Loren and Laurelorn and Kislev all have their own Waystones which provide magic to them.

One of the reasons we took up this project, was the temptation of being able to do that for the Empire. That is, provide juicy Waystone magic to the wizards. The college wizards.

So, what happens if we do achieve this. And then we have to wonder how to read the Patriarchs and Matriarchs in on this. Because who is going to be using any hypothetical rivers of magic from the Waystones heading the Empire's way? The Colleges of Magic.

So, we'd probably have to tell them about some of this eventually anyway. Because they'd have to know this in order to make full use of this.

So, might as well tell them about this now. Instead of keeping a secret for the sake of keeping a secret (mostly from just one guy that we don't have a grudge against or anything, but just politicked around and stuff).
 
[X] College Dispensation

I see no reason not to do it through the official channels. That's what the official channels exist for. And if we do run into problems from Alric or anybody else, having an official permission slip signed and countersigned by both the Emperor and the Supreme Patriarch will halt them in their tracks. Bypassing the official channels makes it look like we have something to hide, and to be honest, we don't.

Let's not let our concern about Alric get in the way of doing things properly. So what if he knows? He can't afford to pull the Light Order from the table with so many prestigious mages already sat at it, and if he tries to take over the project—well, Feldman tried to take over the Skaven Tech thing from us and got a pretty hard slap on the wrist for his trouble. In the end he had to bribe us for the tech, and we were only a magister back then. Alric doesn't have any more power or influence than Feldman does.
 
A note for everyone considering the ways we might be able to keep Alric from causing us problems with the resources at our disposal, the answer is simpler than you think.

[X] Imperial Dispensation

It's this vote. This is the vote where we can choose to leverage our contacts to prevent interference.

So, between those two choices, that's what it comes down to:
We go through Dragomas and have to deal with someone (probably Alric) causing complication with the Waystone Project, or
We go through the Emperor and annoy Dragomas.
...do we really expect Dragomas to care? I kinda don't expect Dragomas to care.
 
I mean he cannot help them diplomatically, he is desperately trying to claw back his position. There is nothing he could do for the elves to make up for the lack of Thorek and without us Thorek is gone.
To claw back his position in the colleges. Most of the empire has no clue about college politics. They sure know Alaric though. Mostly as a positiv force.
Also laurelorn didn't invite us because we had a in with the dwarfs but because we "activated" the K8P waystones. Now if only we actually did that...
 
Has Mathilde ever managed to determine the age of any elf?

It's a skill she's gradually developing.

I see Mathilde is categorising Cadaeth as an elf. I was under the impression she was something else.

It's an open question, but she's at least culturally an Elf.

Point of order: We have no actual evidence that Ulthuan makes deliberate use of the magic gathered by the Waystone network. To the best knowledge of everyone present the Asur dump all the energy directly into the Great Vortex.

It's a matter of perspective whether the default assumption should be that they would or that they wouldn't.
 
To claw back his position in the colleges. Most of the empire has no clue about college politics. They sure know Alaric though. Mostly as a positiv force.
Also laurelorn didn't invite us because we had a in with the dwarfs but because we "activated" the K8P waystones. Now if only we actually did that...

It is because they think we somehow managed to reactivate a Dwarf Waystone, we are the only contact they have with the dwarfs seeing as formally we are one.
 
I am a flipfloper. I am honestly still unsure either way and might go back to imperial dispensation before the vote closes.

[x] College Dispensation
 
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