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Yeah, while I kinda wished we saved the Dragonflask for blowing the Treeman sky high, but I can understand the inclination to just start blasting at Drycha.
 
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What category would the Woodsmen fall under? Are they actually also dismounted cavalry or do they just not quite count as military at all, despite their apparent skill against Dryads?
It's a late reply, but I think the Woodsmen are just that: woodsmen from the nearby villages who were called up as militia to serve when there's an enemy in Kislev.

You could see the difference in the modifiers here:
[Woodsmen vs Dryads - Martial, 72+15+10(Milica)+10(Kreml Guard support fire)=107 vs 14+20+10(outnumber)=44.]
[Woodsmen vs Dryads: Martial, 100+15+10(Milica)+10(Kreml Guard support fire)+5(outnumber)=140 vs 45+20=65.]
Of what looks like 15 Woodsmen Martial vs 20 Dryad Martial. But the Woodsmen had plenty of other support and rolled like gods while the Dryad rolls sucked, so it was a curb-stomp in favor of the Kislevites.
 
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I'm really hoping rumor of this spreads and Mattie fighting epic hidden invisible battles becomes an in-universe joke. Stories start including Mattie on the winning side of battles she had nothing to do with under the justification of "yeah, she was probably there killing horrible beasties, we just couldn't see her. Prove she didn't counter that Chaos Sorceror and make them blow up."
I think this is sorta the whole Grey Orders MO as a whole. Sure they can't actually be everywhere but they might be here. Right now. Invisible and ready to gank.

We've voted Faith over Truth when it comes to discerning divine identities. Does that mean we gave up on the AV-Divine interaction entirely?
Yes.

Also just wanted to say that action pretty much had all the benefits and outcomes I hoped for. Maybe a little meta, but imagine if we choose something else and the great roll Drycha got was instead used in a situation where she could ambush Lijianna with no interference and no one around with a remote chance of detecting her. Like ouf loosing the most senior ice witch wouldve been awful from just a "shes one of our battle magic casters" pure capability standpoint and equally as disasterous from a morale standpoint "holy shit one of our leaders got eviscerated out of nowhere." Or if Drycha used it against us while we were busy.

Sure Drycha went down relatively easily and the circumstances were worse for her than the thread realized, but even then she still managed to hide right until she decided to gank Lijianna and then managed to split second dodge Mathildes invisible cannon sword and Lijianna response. I'm glad we did not give Drycha the space to act freely, so I think it was an action worth taking.

And Jesus plz no binding.

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Yeah, while I kinda wished we saved the Dragonflask for blowing the Treeman sky high, but I can understand the inclination to just start blasting at Drycha.
Given the degree to which all the other threats have been taken off the board, and the fact that the Tzar's forces haven't even made it to the fight yet, I am really confident in Kislev's ability to wreck an unsupported Treeman's shit without it causing too much in the way of additional problems. If we deny Drycha's retreat by any means that aren't immediately lethal, I am not confident in our ability to stop her from causing additional problems. If she decides she has no means of escape and so does something like "deliberately miscast as a last spiteful gesture," it could be ruinous for the local postcode. I'm willing to accept that the Treeman will probably hurt some people on its way out in exchange for minimizing the odds that Drycha will hurt some people on her way out, because she has a lot more ability to cause that pain.
 
So we should abandon apparition binding?
Because they are basicly non chaos aligned daemons, and daemons are thinking beings.
It's not an unreasonable stance, but i suspect there will be some pushback at that interpretation.

Apparitions have animal intelligence and they also like eating wizards. All in all I think binding is morally justifiable as a way to both save those wizards and get some use out of them.
 
Apparitions have animal intelligence and they also like eating wizards. All in all I think binding is morally justifiable as a way to both save those wizards and get some use out of them.
Do they have mere animal intelligence? Where is this stated?
And i don't think "well they eat wizards" does anything to turn slavery ethical.
Drycha is, at minimum, mass murderer dozen times over, and probably has caused much more death or general harm and suffering than any single apparition.
 
Do they have mere animal intelligence? Where is this stated?
And i don't think "well they eat wizards" does anything to turn slavery ethical.
Drycha is, at minimum, mass murderer dozen times over, and probably has caused much more death or general harm and suffering than any single apparition.

It was very specifically said they have animal intelligence because we wanted to use them for complex abstract tasks and it turns out they are too limited for that. I think it was mentioned that it would be next of impossible to make them do anything outside their nature... which is killing and eating people.
 
Drycha's in for a hell of a surprise (as is everyone else) as the shadow mage suddenly (and temporarily) turns into a fire mage... I wonder if we'll get any comments on it?

Remember that Drycha is used to elven mages who can use as many of the Winds of Magic as they choose to invest the time to learn. A decent
mage being able to both turn invisible and throw fire balls should be normal and completely expected for her.

Even the human mages she'll be most familiar with, the Damsels, can use multiple lores.
 
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It was very specifically said they have animal intelligence because we wanted to use them for complex abstract tasks and it turns out they are too limited for that. I think it was mentioned that it would be next of impossible to make them do anything outside their nature... which is killing and eating people.
Very focused intelligence is not necessarily the same as animal one.
But i'll concede that point.

I still disagree that binding Drycha is slavery.
It could devolve to that if we choose to go there, but i think binding is more like putting someone in prison.
 
Very focused intelligence is not necessarily the same as animal one.
But i'll concede that point.

I still disagree that binding Drycha is slavery.
It could devolve to that if we choose to go there, but i think binding is more like putting someone in prison.
A prison where they're forced to work for you against their will.

We have a word for that.
 
A prison where they're forced to work for you against their will.

We have a word for that.
No, that's the step that comes after binding, unless i have misunderstood the apparition binding process.
I was under the impression that the binding process we have does not compell obedience in itself.
Which is different from the scrolls that do, but i am not sure if that is inherent in the binding or if the scrolls have several enchantments on them.
 
Counter would be Squirtle, via Magic the Gathering color theory.

Pretty sure bind is bulbasaur in this scenario
…Guys, I'm pretty sure the Charizard and Bulbasaur in this scenario are Mathilde and Drycha. You know, fire—temporarily—against plant? Not some weird abstraction of the options.

In which case, Squirtle is probably Lily. Ice is pretty close to water, right?
A prison where they're forced to work for you against their will.

We have a word for that.
Community service? :V

More seriously, that only applies if we actually, you know, make her do stuff.
 
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