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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
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That makes sense, since I'm pretty sure there is no mathematicians/calculators/accountants guild which means that higher mathematics would be the providence of guild internal lorekeepers specialized in it to varying degrees.
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They do not as far as I know have a guild like that, and not from my cursory search or my memory. They also do not have a Merchant/Trader's Guild. Contracts are worked out individually between Clans, Guilds, Holds and all sorts of authorities and there are independent artisans and traders and merchants that do the legwork to bring stuff from one hold to another but no Guild for it afaik.
There are some more economically minded Dwarfs out there, but likely not in the Holds. Arkat Fooger is one of the most influential figures in Marienburg, as he is head of House Fooger and one of Marienburg's 15 Directors and specifically one of the Ten Houses. He is the only non-human in the council and represents all nonhumans in Marienburg, and yes, that technically includes Elves but really they police themselves. He is a very shrewd and successful businessman whose made a breakthrough in economic theory, as he has invented the insurance system. Yes, Warhammer has insurance. It only exists in Marienburg at the moment and it's a very recent invention by Arkat.
Arkat Fooger is by far one of the most interesting characters I've found in Marienburg, mostly because all things considered, he's actually one of the nicest Directors. When Marienburg seceeded from the Empire and the Empire sent an army that got decimated in Grootscher Marsh, the Sigmarite temple was assaulted by an angry mob that were going to lynch the priests and inhabitants. Fooger stepped in front of the crowd and protected the Sigmarites.
I'm actually very interested in exploring him as a character, particularly considering the events in DL. He is one of the original Directors of Marienburg since its secession and he has remained in position for 70 years. His house's trade power primarily comes from trade goods coming from the Grey Mountains. I don't think he would be particularly onboard with the escalating tension between the Dwarf Kingdoms and Marienburg. While he is a 1st Edition character, he has been mentioned in later Editions because Marienburg never got an update.
Pretty sure its just Worm actually that calls supertech tinkers. Everywhere else its the odds and ends crafter focused on repair and modifying something that already works
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Except in that case it also doesn't fit, because Tinker here stands for Tinsmith, not for an odd and ends crafter. Toolmakers would be closer to odds and ends.
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- South Africa
Pretty sure in Robin Hood stories, (or stories in a similar era), the Tinker was described as a travelling craftsman/repairman of pots, kettles etc. Don't have my books with me though to double check.
That particular meaning comes from British English—it was a term used to describe travellers and travelling communities, many of whom made a living repairing pots and pans, which were made from tin. It has some negative connotations, because it's a label applied to travelling communities who are often discriminated against even to this day, but in modern English it has pretty much been stripped of that meaning and simply refers to an amateur craftsman who does light work.
Ont really connected with the current vote, but I am curious @Boney once we get our library up and running will we need to take an action to be able to get magical texts out of the Library of Mornings or will that be automatic? This latest talk of Rite of Way reminded me that we still have not codified it and that would be better don with elf books as well as human books on Ulgu.
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Nope. WarCraft does too. And Pathfinder and some other RPGs or third party supplements for them.
It's at least as old as 1963, where there was a marvel supervillain called Tinkerer who built and used gadgets.
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I don't know if it's been talked about, but I think one of the key differences between the options, staying with the Hunter Lord vs being out at the wall or the tunnels vs staking out the target, is prestige. Just like with writing papers, and just like we're doing now with Alric, the more people who can share credit the less the individual gets. If Mathilde makes the right call, say he manages to escape and go after the hunting lodge, she can benefit the most by stopping him at the cusp of planned murder. But if she responds alongside the Hunter Lord, she'll have to split the prestige with him. Even the middle options with stopping him involve working with the tunnel guard or the wall guard.
It also represents a rough level of difficulty. The Hunter Lord would absolutely be a hero unit that we would fight alongside arguably making the fight easier, compared to challenging Albrecht alone, even if he's wounded in his breakout.
It also represents a rough level of difficulty. The Hunter Lord would absolutely be a hero unit that we would fight alongside arguably making the fight easier, compared to challenging Albrecht alone, even if he's wounded in his breakout.
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I don't care about prestige for Mathilde, and in the fallback case where Alric contributes, having to split the credit three ways with Mathilde and the Hunter Lord is outright beneficial to our secondary goal of keeping Alric down.
That said, it's also another person that we have to keep away from suspicions towards Heidi, our primary goal, so I'm still not sold on it.
That said, it's also another person that we have to keep away from suspicions towards Heidi, our primary goal, so I'm still not sold on it.
I was just rereading some of the post Reclamation pre-Dum parts of the quest and something occurred to me, there is actually a deeper reason for preferring the company of dwarfs than just Disdain for Sigmar or the fact that we do not want Mathilde to be exposed to the bigotry of her 'fellow' Imperials, one that cuts to the heart of our risk/reward calculus.
With dwarfs you know that if you do them a favor they will always pay you back, maybe not as much as you would like, maybe not in the coin that you would like, but they do pay you. By contrast we have been agonizing about going to Mira for three updates because we do not trust her gratitude to be worth anything without a formal agreement that we are doing something for her.
With dwarfs you know that if you do them a favor they will always pay you back, maybe not as much as you would like, maybe not in the coin that you would like, but they do pay you. By contrast we have been agonizing about going to Mira for three updates because we do not trust her gratitude to be worth anything without a formal agreement that we are doing something for her.
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[X] With the Longshanks
[X] With the Hunter Lord
Definitely not voting these for the sole reason of maximizing Wizardad/Wizardaughter time. Honest.
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Dwarves are not all the same and they're not homogenous, but they are far easier to predict and far easier to trust than humans. I think Mathilde mentioned it before that while she might not agree with the Dwarves' point of view at times, she can clearly understand and even predict to an extent what they will do and what their response would be, and their respect is worth a lot. I think Mathilde struggles to accurately read and predict humans as well as she does Dwarves at this point.
There are exceptions to the readability of Dwarves of course. Mathilde never got a full handle on Borek, but that was a special case. Few Dwarves hold the same motivations and secrets that he does.
There's also the fact that at the Battle of Drakenhof, it was not only Dwarves that saved Mathilde from the endless hordes of the dead, but it was also a dwarf that did a welfare check on Mathilde and see that she was okay following Abelhelms death with the whole Barazul thing.
Humans failed on multiple levels that day—the charge, the wizards, even Sigmar himself. It was the dwarves who carried the day, and more importantly, it was the dwarves that cared on a personal level.
And I don't think Mathilde has ever forgotten that.
Humans failed on multiple levels that day—the charge, the wizards, even Sigmar himself. It was the dwarves who carried the day, and more importantly, it was the dwarves that cared on a personal level.
And I don't think Mathilde has ever forgotten that.
So what your saying is that, by timing and chance, the person that has happed the most influence on the shape of the Quest has taken sense the Striland days...
is a dude called Launy?
ALL HAIL LAUNY! SAVIOUR OF KARAK EIGHT PEAKS!
EDIT: SAVIOUR OF KARAK VLAG! BREAKER OF RATS AND CHAMPION OF DWARVEN KIND!
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It would need to be negotiated with them. Mathilde was offered the equivalent of a library card to assist with the Waystone Project, not blanket permission for her to copy-paste their entire magical corpus, and the Eonir may not be too keen to give up all their magical secrets to someone bound by oath to oppose them if their conflict with Nordland turns hot.
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Yes, that does sound reasonable, this sort of cold war will prevent full cooperation unless something drastic change.
...So, how much of Nordland do we need to sell in order to get the sweet sweet B Ö Ö K boon?
...So, how much of Nordland do we need to sell in order to get the sweet sweet B Ö Ö K boon?
Between 65 and 75 per cent of it.
The Eonir/Nordlander land claims have, ah, significant overlap.
*extremely concerned Elector Count of Nordland noises*
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considering the most likely rats it'll be used on, I find myself lacking much sympathy