Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
Considering the Light mage isn't doing it, I'll assume counterspelling isn't an option. I do wonder if Mockery of Death on the target could fuck up the ritual. Or for the very morally ambiguous option: killing the target ahead of time and in the wrong way
 
I feel bad for Markus. Mathilde hasn't spared a single thought his way in essentially more than a decade, when I distinctly remember the first roll we had to determine our teacher gave us a near crit and the description was that Mathilde had acquired another dad.

That dad is dead and Mathilde doesn't even consider him anymore.
Like, to be fair Mathilde likely blamed him for Abelhelm's death because he was supposed to protect him. I still don't fully blame him. Those skeletons were on steroids.

They did what no other villain in this story could do. Kill a named character. Unless you count falling rocks as a villain.
 
I feel bad for Markus. Mathilde hasn't spared a single thought his way in essentially more than a decade, when I distinctly remember the first roll we had to determine our teacher gave us a near crit and the description was that Mathilde had acquired another dad.

That dad is dead and Mathilde doesn't even consider him anymore.

Mathilde tries not to pick at her scars, and Markus doesn't have a prominent daughter around to force her to do so on-screen. She still remembers him every time she sees the EIC logo, though.
 
Like, to be fair Mathilde likely blamed him for Abelhelm's death because he was supposed to protect him. I still don't fully blame him. Those skeletons were on steroids.
Mathilde blamed him alright:
No sign of Markus, which may be just as well, because you might have attempted to kill him.
I imagine she feels differently with time and distance, but thinking about him still probably rises some complicated feelings.
 
Mathilde tries not to pick at her scars, and Markus doesn't have a prominent daughter around to force her to do so on-screen. She still remembers him every time she sees the EIC logo, though.
That is understandable. He also taught her how to Greatsword, so I imagine even sword drills could dredge up memories if she wasn't used to not thinking about it.
Mathilde blamed him alright:

I imagine she feels differently with time and distance, but thinking about him still probably rises some complicated feelings.
Mathilde was pretty emotional after Abelhelm's death and also blamed Kasmir for not being able to save him, and she later came to terms with that and no longer hates him or anything. Her feelings would likely be complicated, but she liked Markus more than she did Kasmir, so I think she would have forgiven him if she gave herself time to process her feelings. Chances are that she hasn't though.
 
but I'd really rather you save me a whole bunch of time and effort by accepting the fact that maybe I know what I'm talking about.

Oh for the love of -

Yes. Sure. Clearly this is all caused because I can't accept the QM knows the inside of his own head, rather than equal parts good faith effort to clear up quest text/WoG inconsistency and reflexive pushback at caustic passive-aggressive snark that infallibly gets my back up. The second worst possible interpretation of my actions I'd obviously the correct one. My sincere apologies.
 
Oh for the love of -

Yes. Sure. Clearly this is all caused because I can't accept the QM knows the inside of his own head, rather than equal parts good faith effort to clear up quest text/WoG inconsistency and reflexive pushback at caustic passive-aggressive snark that infallibly gets my back up. The second worst possible interpretation of my actions I'd obviously the correct one. My sincere apologies.
I've been holding back from saying anything, but honestly. If you don't like the QM, there's the door. Please take it. Don't let it hit you on the way out.
 
As for the vote, I'll just like to remind everyone that the renegotiate with Mira action won't get us Light wizards. We will need a seperate action for that, so anyone who wants to ask Mira for reinforcements should also include an action for actually getting said reinforcements.
If we just want them on hand for the murder night rather than contributing to the investigation we can do that without an action:
- There will be a final vote for what to do at the scheduled time of the murder. You don't need a readying action for Regimand or any other Wizards you might recruit to be able to act on that night.
 
Oh for the love of -

Yes. Sure. Clearly this is all caused because I can't accept the QM knows the inside of his own head, rather than equal parts good faith effort to clear up quest text/WoG inconsistency and reflexive pushback at caustic passive-aggressive snark that infallibly gets my back up. The second worst possible interpretation of my actions I'd obviously the correct one. My sincere apologies.

Is this really the path you want to take this conversation down?
 
This seems to be the best option possible. I would assume Mathy will research the form first though.

[x] Plan Close the Noose
- [x] Scour the city: The Longshanks
- [x] Research: Alberich's form
 
If we just want them on hand for the murder night rather than contributing to the investigation we can do that without an action:
Is that right @Boney? I understood that to mean that we don't need an action to have any of the wizards we already recruited help us on the murder night. So, if we recruit any Light wizards they'll help us on the murder night, but we still need to actually recruit them.
 
If we just want them on hand for the murder night rather than contributing to the investigation we can do that without an action:
Is that right @Boney? I understood that to mean that we don't need an action to have any of the wizards we already recruited help us on the murder night. So, if we recruit any Light wizards they'll help us on the murder night, but we still need to actually recruit them.

You do need to have already recruited the Wizards in question, but I can see how that could have been read as the opposite. Edited:

You don't need a readying action for Regimand or any other Wizards you might have recruited to be able to act on that night.
 
I don't really see the point of the Alberich's form action. He's presumably somewhere on the spectrum from squishy human to superhuman demon and I doubt it'll be narrowed down much from that.

I think it'd be better to look into the whole "something is going on in the shadows" thing. If it's Alberich than it's narrows things down for the hunt. If it isn't him, then that's kind of important because the hunt might kick over an unknown hornet nest.

I'd put a plan together if I wasn't on my phone on break at work.
 
I think we should work with Alric. With access to the unfortunate target, we have a pretty good chance of finding the culprit and ending them, which would:

1. Fulfills our implied objective - Less credit for Alric due to collab with 2 Grey Wizards.
2. Fulfills our actual objective - An open and shut case with Albreich dead firmly closes, or at least makes extremely unlikely, trails leading to Heidi. Additionally, by killing Albreich he can't spill on Heidi.
3. Fulfills what we should be doing - One dead Albreich before he can even make the attempt is also a pretty good in of itself.

It also pre-empts any uncomfortable questions about what we're doing here. We're doing an independent investigation that led to Albreich.
 
I think it'd be better to look into the whole "something is going on in the shadows" thing. If it's Alberich than it's narrows things down for the hunt. If it isn't him, then that's kind of important because the hunt might kick over an unknown hornet nest.
I got you:
[X] Plan Searching in the Shadows
-[X] Scour the city: The Longshanks
-[X] Research: Underworld Turbulence

[X] Plan Close the Noose
[X] Plan Hammer and Anvil
[X] Plan: Find him
 
1. Fulfills our implied objective - Less credit for Alric due to collab with 2 Grey Wizards.
If we collaborate with Alric I wouldn't want to drag Regimand into it. I do not want him to get involved in the political clusterfuck that would arise from being publicly involved in this. He also works best when he's out of the spotlight.
 
I don't really see the point of the Alberich's form action. He's presumably somewhere on the spectrum from squishy human to superhuman demon and I doubt it'll be narrowed down much from that.
We've narrowed it down to either one god specifically or chaos undivided so we can be quite specific in our search for forms, that information can then fuel our search for him by letting us know what he could look like how we would have to hide himself. It should also give a better idea of potential capabilities. That said I'm fine with approval voting the underworld action so I'll do the plan for you:

[x] Plan Close the Noose
- [x] Scour the city: The Longshanks
- [x] Research: Alberich's form

[] Plan Underworld Search
- [] Scour the city: The Longshanks
- [] Research: Underworld Turbulence


E: Ninja'd
[X] Plan Searching in the Shadows

I think we should work with Alric. With access to the unfortunate target, we have a pretty good chance of finding the culprit and ending them, which would:

1. Fulfills our implied objective - Less credit for Alric due to collab with 2 Grey Wizards.
2. Fulfills our actual objective - An open and shut case with Albreich dead firmly closes, or at least makes extremely unlikely, trails leading to Heidi. Additionally, by killing Albreich he can't spill on Heidi.
3. Fulfills what we should be doing - One dead Albreich before he can even make the attempt is also a pretty good in of itself.

It also pre-empts any uncomfortable questions about what we're doing here. We're doing an independent investigation that led to Albreich.
This assumes Alric accepts, as far as we can tell he has spent 8 weeks camped out fortifying and trapping the location of the next victim, he's probably pretty sure he has this well in hand with no need to accept help which screws with his plan. If the quest were in Alrics position I'm pretty sure we'd tell Mathilde to hop on.
 
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We've narrowed it down to either one god specifically or chaos undivided so we can be quite specific in our search for forms, that information can then fuel our search for him by letting us know what he could look like how we would have to hide himself. It should also give a better idea of potential capabilities. That said I'm fine with approval voting the underworld action so I'll do the plan for you:
I'll let Asarnil speak on this:
"As will Deathfang's," he says, slapping the side of the dragon's neck companionably. "That's the Slaaneshi for you, no matter how quick you expect them to be, they'll be quicker. He had her completely by surprise and she was still around his neck in a trice."

"So, what do you think? Greater Daemon? Daemon Prince?"

"That's the other thing about them, you can never tell just by looking. The other three stick to a theme for Greater Daemons, but Slaanesh likes variety. Unless you can work out that one's name and track her history, you might never know whether she was always a part of the whole or an elevated pawn."
Slaanesh has some of the greatest variety in shape alongside Tzeentch. If he was Khornate or Nurglite it would be more useful because those guys are relatively consistent across the board. Chaos Undivided is actually more limited than expected because you need to fit all four gods, which limits the amount of creativity, but that's still a broad specturm of forms when you combine it with Slaaneshi forms. We don't even fully know if Paramountcy is truly his vice, which would have normally narrowed down the options.
 
I'll let Asarnil speak on this:

Slaanesh has some of the greatest variety in shape alongside Tzeentch. If he was Khornate or Nurglite it would be more useful because those guys are relatively consistent across the board. Chaos Undivided is actually more limited than expected because you need to fit all four gods, which limits the amount of creativity, but that's still a broad specturm of forms when you combine it with Slaaneshi forms. We don't even fully know if Paramountcy is truly his vice, which would have normally narrowed down the options.
I have it on good authority all Slaneeshi's have one uncovered male presenting breast, one covered female presenting one and some kind of crab feature. Are you saying TW:WH3 lied to me? :V
 
[X] Plan Searching in the Shadows

I think this is the best way forward. Investigate where he might be, then turn the city upside-down.
 
I have it on good authority all Slaneeshi's have one uncovered male presenting breast, one covered female presenting one and some kind of crab feature. Are you saying TW:WH3 lied to me? :V
I mean, you're not wrong. That's the current design philosophy for them, and we've already had discussions on the thread about disappointment there isn't more variety and the limitations of game engines and models. I'd like to think that maybe that's the form they assume when they're showing off for Slaanesh and assembling in armies, but they can assume forms that are more convenient for the situation.

Also, I'm not sure whether the male and female presenting breasts are going to play a factor in fighting Alberich. I doubt he'll just present himself tits out for easy discovery.
 
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