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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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If we are going to go for Bretonian books we should try to find the AP to recruit Damsels, there would be some good synergy there given how respected even the 'least' Dansel is in that land.
 
Potus said:
In my opinion, the quest has really been dragging with this project since we still haven't even started yet. So I'm voting to get things going.

The Waystone Project, Research
[X] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
In theory, the more members there currently are, the more complete this framework will be. Will unlock further investigations. Can be repeated if desired, but will not unlock anything new after the first time, it will just make a new framework incorporating any new recrui ts.
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Turn votes are in plan format. You'll need to assign Mathilde's 5 AP and the freebies into a Plan, and then convince people to vote for that plan. Or you could vote for one of the existing plans that includes both those actions, like @Thomasfoolery's [ ] Starting up debt free, with Webmat field trip
 
If we are to use the Gambler face this turn, I'd use it on scrutinizing a waystone rather than building a framework. We are trying to show our worth as collaborators so any observations we can make personaly are good I think.

@Boney

The scrutinizing option mentions a single Waystone, does that mean we would look at a single waystone? Or will we look at all kinds of waystones we have access to? Unless there isn't enough difference between different Waystones for it to be worth the effort to take multiple actions to check out different types of Waystones?
 
[X] Way of Stones
-[X] MAX: Learn to pilot the Gyrocopter along with Mathilde
-[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with one or more members of WEB-MAT (Johann)
-[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Alric with one or more members of WEB-MAT (Egrimm)
-[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Ward of Frost)
-[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
-[X] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
-[X] Write a paper: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm (FRESH)
-[X] EIC: Try to uncover what's going on in Gryphon's Wood. (NEW)
-[X] Seek the publishing contacts to start acquiring large amounts of books from a nearby realm (Bretonnia)
-[X] The Gambler: Lay the Foundations

Reasoning:
  1. This one is easy, it allows us to train both at the same time and max is ideal for the task since he is not blind and asking a LM to play pilot for us would feel odd to say the least
  2. We trusted him at our back in the Skaven warren, no reason not to trust him here as well
  3. I know people are leery of this because of divided loyalties, but I do not think there are any in this case, the other light mages might see him as part of Alric's faction but that is because they did not hear him bitch for the last year and a half about his former master. This is not a man who regrets his former master in any way shape or form, but he does know him really really well
  4. They were literally the people who invited us, they would not have done that with an empty hand and they are politically relevant
  5. Start this already, we have been given the signal that people expect it of us and barring a Waystone named Frank (or similar) we will be fine bringing in new groups later
  6. See if we get lucky with our Volans scale wind sight, right now we are mostly here because of the politics but we might be able to change it
  7. Why say no to a +10 on the roll? There is nothing urgent paper wise
  8. Helps with the job, and that is what it is for
  9. These are books that do not need a translator to Imperial scholars
  10. Because we really need to wrangle the millennia old grumps, the century old grump... and the mystery cultists over there. That is going to take a lot of luck
 
[X] Plan: LightLan
-[X] MAX: Learning: How to fly a Gyrocopter
-[X] WEB-MAT: Write a paper: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm (FRESH) (Johann, Egrimm)
-[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with Johann and Egrimm
-[X] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
-[X] Investigate Alric
-[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Ward of the Frost)
-[X] COIN: Protector
-[X] EIC: Try to uncover what's going on in Gryphon's Wood. (NEW)
-[X] Library: Seek an agreement with a Cult to have access to their libraries (Verenans)
-[X] Serenity: Book: Windsoak Mushrooms (missing: Chamon, Shyish) 1/2

I'd rather spy on Alric on our own.
There is no need to involve more people in that than necessary.

[X] Plan Compromise
 
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Sparsebeard said:
If we are to use the Gambler face this turn, I'd use it on scrutinizing a waystone rather than building a framework. We are trying to show our worth as collaborators so any observations we can make personaly are good I think.

@Boney

The scrutinizing option mentions a single Waystone, does that mean we would look at a single waystone? Or will we look at all kinds of waystones we have access to? Unless there isn't enough difference between different Waystones for it to be worth the effort to take multiple actions to check out different types of Waystones?
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Mathilde would look at multiple Waystones.
 
Boney said:
With the cooperation of the Order of Light and the Order of Life secured, if not yet fully paid for, you now have quite an array of contributors, including inheritors of each of the major parties that was present for the raising of the Old World's Runestones - Thorek for the Dwarves, Lord Hatalath for the Elves, and Elrisse and Tochter for the humans. While there's undoubtedly still value to be found among other groups, this foundation should bring enough perspectives to the table that a groundwork established here and now should be able to incorporate all of those you're likely to be able to bring in in the future. Part of you does want to bring in practically every magical tradition on the continent before you begin, but that's hardly practical.
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Is this supposed to be read as a nudge towards a particular course of action or just some idle observation? I.e. can we use this as confirmation that we won't be initially handicapped if we do the foundation action and then try to recruit Elven Houses, Kiskevites or Hedgewise because Mathilde is speaking with valuable expert knowledge that we the players would otherwise miss, or is it still all "try and find out" and don't read too much into the opinion of someone who is ultimately still a bit of an amateur on the subject?
Boney said:
Windsoak Mushrooms - Ghur (MOSTLY FADED)
Windsoak Mushrooms - Hysh (MOSTLY FADED)
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I have trouble recalling why these two are less faded than the others.

Also, how would the difference in status affect our rolls if we were to write a book on all six applicable Windsoak mushrooms?
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If you're asking me which ones cleave closely enough to those values to make them a suspect, that's the thread's job to decide.
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Does that mean that Mathilde with her new collection of books on minor gods has no IC information that we the players don't also have access to through wiki dives or canon threadmarks? At least when it comes to specifically this subject and for the purposes of solving a riddle as part of the game we are all playing here?

Most of us do not have access to print med Warhammer books. Though if you intend this riddle to be geared towards solving it explicitly with the help of those that do then that's fair enough I guess.
 
I don't get the reasoning of trying to buy books from Brettonia. Is it to later use back fill and count it as complete?
 
[X] Plan: Jyn+Lay the foundations

[X] Plan Starting up debt free

[X] Way of Stones

[X] Plan Project Soon

[X] Plan Stacking Advantages

[X] Plan Maximum Field Trip
 
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Codex said:
Page 126 and 127 of Tome of Salvation 2nd Edition:

"Of all the races within the Empire, Halflings could be said to be the least obviously religious. Halflings prefer to celebrate the here and now rather than the heroes and deeds of the forgotten past, worshipping their Gods when circumstances require it, but not giving themselves over to piety. Most Empire folk—especially those in Stirland—would say that the only thing a Halfling worships is the drink in his flagon and the food in his belly.

It is true that Halflings are a comparatively irreligious folk, their somewhat happy-go-lucky nature at odds with serious, organised religion. When practised, the Halfling faiths are more often used as a thinly veiled excuse to feast (much as many Humans do, if truth be told—Halflings are just more honest in their motivations)."

"Of the four major races, Halflings are the most irreverent. Setting aside the fact that Halflings have no talent for magic, the small folk are so completely unsuited to the idea of venerating anything that to even broach the topic to them would result in endless gales of laughter, perhaps followed by a proper robbery to teach the uncultured fool a good lesson. The Halflings do have their Gods, certainly, but no Halfling could be bothered to commit himself to daily and nightly prostration in the name of anyone, let alone some invisible presence that does nothing but sit around and eat and have dalliances with its siblings. When a pious mood does settle on Halflings, a festival results, and a few locals are selected to officiate the affair, being bribed heavily not to get overly drunk so that they may maintain at least the appearance of ceremony"

The official source for religion in 2E treats the Halflings like a joke, so there isn't much material on Quinsberry that isn't the Lodge.
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A joke? Based on this excerpt, at least, they seem to know what this is really all about.

(Seriously. This excerpt, to me, seems to portray them as honest and irreverent people, free of the meaningless ritualisms other WH religions often have, and in their place, they seem to show a faith that is closer to Mathilde's worship of Ranald. While pros and cons of this stance can be argued, it doesn't actually seem to me that people with such an outlook would be a joke.)
 
Rafin said:
Is this supposed to be read as a nudge towards a particular course of action or just some idle observation? I.e. can we use this as confirmation that we won't be initially handicapped if we do the foundation action and then try to recruit Elven Houses, Kiskevites or Hedgewise because Mathilde is speaking with valuable expert knowledge that we the players would otherwise miss, or is it still all "try and find out" and don't read too much into the opinion of someone who is ultimately still a bit of an amateur on the subject?
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It is the professional opinion of a very knowledgeable, but not omniscient, Wizard. It should not be taken as Word of QM, but nor should it be written of as 'idle observation'.

Rafin said:
I have trouble recalling why these two are less faded than the others.
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They were done later than the others.

Rafin said:
Also, how would the difference in status affect our rolls if we were to write a book on all six applicable Windsoak mushrooms?
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Writing books isn't affected by faded statuses.

Rafin said:
Does that mean that Mathilde with her new collection of books on minor gods has no IC information that we the players don't also have access to through wiki dives or canon threadmarks? At least when it comes to specifically this subject and for the purposes of solving a riddle as part of the game we are all playing here?
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If you go back a few pages, you'll get me giving a whole bunch of IC information that you the players don't also have access to through wiki dives or canon threadmarks. What I'm not going to do is spend tens of hours inventing the name and attributes of literally thousands of Gods and then start letting the thread run SQL queries on the resultant database, which is what answering that particular question would require.
 
Rafin said:
@Jyn Ryvia May I ask why your plans investigate the Gryphon Woods with both Johann and Egrimm, but Alric without Egrimm?


We did? Do you remember the chapters/turns and/or why we delayed the latter two?
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Because, thinking about it, there is a lot more that could go wrong with putting him in that spot than there are advantages to having him help.

best case, he would give a lot of advantages to messing with Alric

Worst case: we force him into a DL situation that we didn't have to force on him.
 
I've only read Boney's posts and the proposed plans due to time constraints, but I do plan on backtracking and reading some of the discussion later today.

[X] Plan: Jyn: let talk to people

For now I like this one the most. I might propose an alternative later though. And I do have some feedback @Jyn Ryvia :
  1. I think our plan only spends 4 out of 5 AP. I recommend a second WEB-MAT action since that would net us another action on top of that.
  2. I don't quite see the point of giving the Sunken Palace to the Hochlander.
  3. Wouldn't it make sense to write that paper with both Johann and Egrimm? This would make it a WEB-MAT action instead of a Serenity action (which you didn't specify by the way). This would allow us to write one more paper too.
 
Sooo, looking through the plans I got a concern about bringing egrimm to anything to do with alric. Didn't the man explicitly tell us that he didn't want to get involved in his orders (or probably any orders) politics?
Then why in Sigmar name are we dragging him into it? I understand most think he will be super helpful but I just think he will resent us for it. We help him get his promotion just to then turn around and go "I helped you now you help me spy on your former boss for your probably new boss."

Also if anyone wants to convince me to vote for your plan I want to learn to fly the gyrocopter, not bringing egrimm towards the alric thing and probably not start the project right this turn (I am very for starting next turn though)
 
[X] Way of Stones
-[X] MAX: Learn to pilot the Gyrocopter along with Mathilde
-[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with one or more members of WEB-MAT (JOHANN)
-[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Alric with one or more members of WEB-MAT (EGRIMM)
-[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Ward of Frost)
-[x] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
-[x] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
-[X] Write a paper: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm (FRESH)
-[X] EIC: Try to uncover what's going on in Gryphon's Wood. (NEW)
-[X] Seek the publishing contacts to start acquiring large amounts of books from a nearby realm (Bretonnia)
-[X] The Gambler: Lay the Foundations

While in theory I'd like to recruit a few more groups (mostly Hedgewise) before starting... this is good enough for now.
Edit: Copied the whole plan just in case.
 
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Rafin said:
I've only read Boney's posts and the proposed plans due to time constraints, but I do plan on backtracking and reading some of the discussion later today.

[X] Plan: Jyn: let talk to people

For now I like this one the most. I might propose an alternative later though. And I do have some feedback @Jyn Ryvia :
  1. I think our plan only spends 4 out of 5 AP. I recommend a second WEB-MAT action since that would net us another action on top of that.
  2. I don't quite see the point of giving the Sunken Palace to the Hochlander.
  3. Wouldn't it make sense to write that paper with both Johann and Egrimm? This would make it a WEB-MAT action instead of a Serenity action (which you didn't specify by the way). This would allow us to write one more paper too.
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done, I think... have a look at it to see if I didn't mess anything up

1: did the only gork paper, because if its a freebie let's get an old thing done, and I want to save the Mushroom paper for Pan, having Max mixed in would narratively ruin it for me.

and throw in the flying lessons for Max
 
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