Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

MiracleGrow · May 23, 2021

Anywhere to look to find really good picture refs of Dwarven furniture and more civilian architecture. This is relevant to the quest for something I'm working on.

Shout out to stimmy bucks meaning I can get this done lmao

Abhorsen · May 23, 2021

So I updated the multi-action plans to reflect the death of tongs, moving them to plans with a death sentence.

As for this vote, I have little preference.

Shane_357 · May 23, 2021

The3rdCorinthian said:
...Whilst I don't think it's going to be Lifelong (If only because we're only 36), yeah I underestimated the amount of time. Got 'Elfcation' confused for it instead of Naggarythe

Giant Spiders and Small Children do not, in fact, Mix.

You obviously haven't met the right children.

silentorphan · May 23, 2021

Shane_357 said:
You obviously haven't met the right children.

Spiders Giant Enough To Eat Small Children should not mix with Small Children.

Of course, the We are far too sophisticated to actually do it...but it's a little morbidly amusing that between an Eff-Huge Dragon and Giant Spiders, we seem, on the surface, to be doing our best to traumatize Eike.

Shane_357 · May 23, 2021

silentorphan said:
Spiders Giant Enough To Eat Small Children should not mix with Small Children.

Of course, the We are far too sophisticated to actually do it...but it's a little morbidly amusing that between an Eff-Huge Dragon and Giant Spiders, we seem, on the surface, to be doing our best to traumatize Eike.

I have not met a single child who would be anything other than amazed and in rapture at the idea of a giant talking spider-friend.

Boney · May 23, 2021

MiracleGrow said:
Anywhere to look to find really good picture refs of Dwarven furniture and more civilian architecture. This is relevant to the quest for something I'm working on.

As far as I'm aware, GW's never really covered the civilian side of things in great detail for non-humans. For furniture, the way I'd go about it is to research IRL Medieval German furniture and then have them made of stone or metal instead of wood. As for architecture, almost all Dwarven architecture is underground or inside mountains. I'd take inspiration from the various depictions of the Mines of Moria from Lord of the Rings, or from the Dwarven battle maps in the Warhammer: Total War games.

WorldSlayer · May 23, 2021

[X] Belegar Ironhammer
[X] Kazrik and the Dwarves of Karak Azul
[X] Panoramia, Hluodwica, and the Halflings

Alas the Tongs took quite the hit here. Looks like Mathilde got over focused on necromancy method which forces things along and creates dhar. It actually looks like her necromancy knowledge hurt more than it helped in the end.

We know that different magical winds can work together in high concentrations without creating dhar (like the ash storms) so I hoped Mathilde would take some inspiration from there. I suspect that would be the path to a proper success, starting by emulating natural multi-wind formations. Maybe someone in the future will give it a shot and be successful.

Andres · May 23, 2021

MiracleGrow said:
Anywhere to look to find really good picture refs of Dwarven furniture and more civilian architecture. This is relevant to the quest for something I'm working on.

Shout out to stimmy bucks meaning I can get this done lmao

Went looking and found these. Just not a lot of art of dwarf places, and had to count thrones as furniture.

neutronium95 · May 23, 2021

All of the options are pretty good. I just want to make sure that Belegar is a lock in.

[x] Belegar Ironhammer

13th Bee · May 23, 2021

[X] Panoramia, Hluodwica, and the Halflings

Because of course Mathilde is going to show off her cute little future business partner to her girlfriend.

[X] Kazrik and the Dwarves of Karak Azul
[X] Edda and the Cult of Valaya

And these two seem like they'd give a good general representation of Dwarfs.

MooseHowl · May 23, 2021

silentorphan said:
Spiders Giant Enough To Eat Small Children should not mix with Small Children.

Of course, the We are far too sophisticated to actually do it...but it's a little morbidly amusing that between an Eff-Huge Dragon and Giant Spiders, we seem, on the surface, to be doing our best to traumatize Eike.

Shane_357 said:
I have not met a single child who would be anything other than amazed and in rapture at the idea of a giant talking spider-friend.

Oh my, I do believe this has become relevant again and merits reposting!

("Grandma! Grandma! I made a friend!")

HanEmpire · May 23, 2021

[x] Gunnars and the Cult of Gazul
[x] Cython
[x] The We

Lets make her meet all the weirdos. The big players will get everyone else's attention anyways, so Eike will have all the advice she needs for them.

Prime 2.0 · May 24, 2021

The3rdCorinthian said:
Giant Spiders and Small Children do not, in fact, Mix.

But will it blend? :thonk:

masterofmadness · May 24, 2021

[X] Belegar Ironhammer
[X] Kazrik and the Dwarves of Karak Azul
[X] Gotri, the K8P Air Corps, and the Cult of Morgrim
[X] Panoramia, Hluodwica, and the Halfling

agumentic · May 24, 2021

WorldSlayer said:
I suspect that would be the path to a proper success, starting by emulating natural multi-wind formations.

I think the Winds in such formations are behaving too small-c chaotically to do anything useful, like a spell.

B_omega · May 24, 2021

As a thane, how much household guards in K8p does mathilda have?
10? 50?

Unlikr other stories of royalty who do somehing (for example Honor Harrington), Mathilda does not seem to have a bodyguard or a score of infantry to guard her tower and the super tower.

Guile · May 24, 2021

[X] Belegar Ironhammer
The important one.

[X] Kazrik and the Dwarves of Karak Azul
[X] Panoramia, Hluodwica, and the Halflings
[X] Edda and the Cult of Valaya
They're pretty cool dudes.

Valmond · May 24, 2021

None.
Being a Thane does not get you anything special, being special is what gets you to be Thane.

Boney · May 24, 2021

B_omega said:
As a thane, how much household guards in K8p does mathilda have?
10? 50?

Unlikr other stories of royalty who do somehing (for example Honor Harrington), Mathilda does not seem to have a bodyguard or a score of infantry to guard her tower and the super tower.

Thane by itself is an honorific title that basically means 'they lead Dwarves into battle and didn't fuck it up, and if need be can do so again'. This is distinct from being a Thane of Clan Whatever or Thane of Karak Wherever, which indicates someone that is currently actively a military leader.

Verdom · May 24, 2021

[X] The We
The blurb mentions this could shape her in the future. Showing off alien seeming friendlies sounds good.

Fayhem · May 24, 2021

Oh right, I should vote. Amazingly, I almost didn't vote for Kazrik. Then I remembered that voting Kazrik and the dwarves of Karak Azul means we might get more Kazador on screen. Which activated my ABVK principle: Always Be Voting Kazador.

[x] Belegar Ironhammer
[x] Gotri, the K8P Air Corps, and the Cult of Morgrim
[x] Johann and the Cult of Grungni
[x] Francesco, Soizic, and the Undumgi
[x] Kazrik and the Dwarves of Karak Azul

Edit: oh, also, I hope this update cements that fucking around with the Tongs idea any further is an absolute non-starter. If we want to do more multi-Wind experiments, that's what Windherder is for.

mastigos · May 24, 2021

BoneyM said:
You've never outright breached the Articles before, at least not by your understanding of them. But the only way to pursue this further would be to change that.

It seems to me that four other avenues worth looking into for inspiration are:

how exactly is the Wind bound in the seed inside Mathilde's hand affecting Mathile's flow of Ulgu?
- Subthought: would Ulgu bound up tightly in an enchantment have a different result if Mathilde attempts to use it as tongs
The mindsets and control-methods alternate wind casters use
(windherder) The interplay of two winds when they're both under control by two wizards forcing them play nice
trapping the other Wind between Ulgu and a hard place. By which I mean using runic/runelord base repulsion on one side and Ulgu on the other instead of cocooning the other Wind in Ulgu. Maybe the reaction would be less violent that way.

Though the third and fourth aren't really directly useful unless they spark further inspiration and understanding. And the second seems to obvious for Mathilde to not have already thought of and tested it.

Boney · May 24, 2021

mastigos said:
how exactly is the Wind bound in the seed inside Mathilde's hand affecting Mathile's flow of Ulgu?

It isn't.

mastigos said:
Subthought: would Ulgu bound up tightly in an enchantment have a different result if Mathilde attempts to use it as tongs

No.

mastigos said:
The mindsets and control-methods alternate wind casters use

No difference.

mastigos said:
(windherder) The interplay of two winds when they're both under control by two wizards forcing them play nice

Dhar.

mastigos said:
trapping the other Wind between Ulgu and a hard place. By which I mean using runic/runelord base repulsion on one side and Ulgu on the other instead of cocooning the other Wind in Ulgu. Maybe the reaction would be less violent that way.

It wouldn't.

mastigos · May 24, 2021

BoneyM said:
Dhar.

Then what does Windherder do that's not dhar inducing?

Also, for the real "reach" option: non-binary Wind interactions. From a Doylist point of view I can't imagine it's really feasible because of how much of a can of worms that would be, but from a Watsonian point of view I can easily imagine a circumstance where two Winds are never stable but 3 or more can achieve a dynamic stability

Byzantine · May 24, 2021

mastigos said:
Then what does Windherder do that's not dhar inducing?

Keep the winds from ever directly interacting.

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