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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Oh, and as a note-

I really loved that scene with Panoramia. It's an interesting choice, to skip over the joy of homecoming and the 'firsts' of a relationship in general, but I think it works here. The wonderful quiet intimacy of a new person becoming part of Mathilde's personal routines, the honesty of that conversation without Mathilde trying to put up any faces, and just the way they feel so supportive of eachother- it was all very nice.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Ooh, that's a good point. If anybody is holding any ambitions of being Supreme Matriarch, this would be a good step in that direction.

(a better step would be picking up a spell that can defeat a dragon).
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I found a spell that can defeat a dragon:

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"Awake O dead, for there can be no rest for ye beneath the earth. Let the splintered bones burrow from the grave pall. Let cold fingers grip tomb-worn blades, and unseeing eyes survey the fields of slaughter. For your time has come once more. And the dead shall walk." —From the Spell of Doom[9a]...
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Sulekhim - The Hand of Dust - Grasping hold of his foe, the wizard pours forth the decaying power of the ages, desiccating flesh, armour and bone, and reducing his victim to dust in a single heartbeat.[6a]
 
DragonParadox said:
As I said above, does not matter if they never get the spell off because it was countered.
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I present to you, Cornelius' dilemma.

The other guy can counterspell too.

And if we win the contest with our Sword, by not letting the other guy get a spell off, while not getting a spell off ourselves either... well, not much of a victory. As seen in our magister exam.
 
[X] DIPLO: Collegiate
How independent the Colleges are from each other depends a great deal on your perspective. There can be a lot of value in bridging those gaps.

We've secured Eonir aid with the location of our waystone headquarters. We've secured dwarven aid by virtue of being a dwarf. We have the aid of the Grey college... But getting the rest of the colleges on board is going to be critical and this helps us do that.

[X] LESSON: Logistician
Warriors win battles, logistics wins wars. Being able to get what you need to where you need it is halfway to victory.

I love me some Rome. Mobility has been our bread and butter and the source of our biggest victories. Stirland was won through our personal mobility and our last foray into the Chaos wastes was won through our ability to maximize mobility at scale. We also put a LOT of work into rite of way and talked extensively about teleport towers. Could be interesting!
 
[X] DIPLO: Dawri
[X] DIPLO: Draconic Fascination
[X] DIPLO: Interfaith Dialogue
[X] DIPLO: Polyglot

[X] LESSON: Dhar Insight
[X] LESSON: Mystic
[X] LESSON: Syncretic
[X] LESSON: Theologian
 
DragonParadox said:
As I said above, does not matter if they never get the spell off because it was countered.
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BoneyM said:
A spell in the process of being cast is sensitive to disruption, especially since by nature it must be projected forward over whatever the target of the spell is.
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Note: Transformation of Kadon is not actually projected since it targets the caster.
It makes disrupting it difficult.

I bet you the former Patriarch tried that. And he failed.

Dragomas is a skilled Wizard, there is no one trick that wins the battle against him.
 
IronFist said:
I present to you, Cornelius' dilemma.

The other guy can counterspell too.

And if we win the contest with our Sword, by not letting the other guy get a spell off, while not getting a spell off ourselves either... well, not much of a victory. As seen in our magister exam.
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That does not mean they are necesarily going to manage their counterspell. We would need to beat the roll off to dispel the dragon transformation and then a second roll to get our own spell off. If we manage that... well I imagine a shadow knife though the brain or heart would put an end to the duel in a suitably magical way
 
LightLan said:
Note: Transformation of Kadon is not actually projected since it targets the caster.
It makes disrupting it difficult.

I bet you the former Patriarch tried that. And he failed.

Dragomas is a skilled Wizard, there is no one trick that wins the battle against him.
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Sure, that just makes it hard not impossible. I did not claim we had a good shot at beating him, just that we have a spell that can do it technically.
 
DragonParadox said:
As I said above, does not matter if they never get the spell off because it was countered.
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So I actually went and checked the counterspell rules:

BoneyM said:
Counterspell:

While Dispel can counter a spell that is already cast, to counter a spell as it is being cast is a more involved process. One can use raw power to try to snuff it out, but this is often dangerous and the enemies of the Empire usually have better access to raw power than sanctioned Imperial mages do. As such, the preferred method involves subtlety, attention, and efficiency.

A spell in the process of being cast is sensitive to disruption, especially since by nature it must be projected forward over whatever the target of the spell is. The simplest way to counter these is brute force; it is easier to cut strands than weave them together, after all. Battle wizards of skill and cunning often weave countermeasures into their spells accordingly, creating protective overlays of energy or running magical energies through the half-completed weave to ground on anyone trying to attack it. A more devious counterspell method is to add to the weave with the intent of causing the spell to fail spectacularly upon completion, effectively forcing a miscast onto the caster or causing the spell to go off in the caster's face instead of upon their chosen target. These are the simplest and most common methods; the details vary as wildly as wizards themselves do.
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I'd like to draw your attention to one particular line:

"Battle wizards of skill and cunning often weave countermeasures into their spells accordingly"

So basically, to counterspell it, we have to beat Dagomas in a battle of will in order to tamper with his spell whilst he is actively trying to stop us from tampering with it.

And I suspect Dagomas is a battle wizard of exemplary skill and cunning.

Of course, we can bypass all of that by using Dhar to increase our raw power and overwhelm him.
 
Catpetter1981 said:
On the most optimistic end of the spectrum, this might make it possible for Belegar to adopt Mathilde as his sister, which means Mathilde gets to wear another hat of "Dawi Princess". A very attractive proposition indeed.
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If this is something the thread really really wants, adoption into the royal clan (EDIT: though not necessarily as a sister) strikes me as something a Transcendant Boon could buy. A very risky thing to ask for on a whim, though, when Dawi don't fuck around with 'honorary' adoption.

It would put Mathilde somewhere in the line of succession, cost Belegar some amount of diplomatic points even with the Dawi-souled notice, and might mean actions spent getting educated on the duties, responsibilities and knowledge of clan secrets expected of a clan-member.
 
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Ehh, give Dragomas some credit.

Mathilde doesn't have any counterspelling traits that work on regular magic, so at best, she's on even ground. It's entirely possible that Dragomas has such a trait.

Not to mention Dragomas is older than Mathilde and has probably been a wizard longer than she's been alive. I wouldn't bet against the guy at all.
 
[X] DIPLO: Polyglot
If you had been unable to use Khazalid as a bridging language, there were many encounters that could have gone quite badly. There's a great deal of potential benefits to further expanding your linguistic lexicon.
[X] LESSON: Logistician
Warriors win battles, logistics wins wars. Being able to get what you need to where you need it is halfway to victory.
 
IronFist said:
Ehh, give Dragomas some credit.

Mathilde doesn't have any counterspelling traits that work on regular magic, so at best, she's on even ground. It's entirely possible that Dragomas has such a trait.

Not to mention Dragomas is older than Mathilde and has probably been a wizard longer than she's been alive. I wouldn't bet against the guy at all.
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I would not want to fight him either... but this is warhammer magic, he could roll a 1 for countering that dispel. Hell he could roll a 1 for casting in which case all any opponent would have to do is deal with the consequences of his messy demise. Undefinable he is not, no wizard is by definition.
 
vsh said:
Will never make a cultural misstep by accident.
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Good point.
Omegahugger said:
Okay, we now have a direct out of context quote from one of the loremasters of the thread that Dhar is safe, feel free to use this info however you see fit!
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Well shucks, I've been lawyered. Ya got me.
DragonParadox said:
Yeah, that is on me, I was thinking of the spell list where there is just one dispel magic spell.
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I keep forgetting that in WHF counterspelling is reliant on being able to cast Dispel, since it hasn't been relevant to us for a long time.
 
Gavin Prince said:
If this is something the thread really really wants, adoption into the royal clan strikes me as something a Transcendant Boon could buy. A very risky thing to ask for on a whim, though, when Dawi don't fuck around with 'honorary' adoption. It would put Mathilde somewhere fairly close to the top in the line of succession, and likely cost Belegar some amount of diplomatic points even with the Dawi-souled notice.
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If we spend a Transcendent Boon on Dawi adoption, we should ask to be adopted as Thorgrim's sister. Then we can be Dawi High Princess, which is even nicer than just plain Princess.
 
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