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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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DragonParadox said:
The thing is we know for a fact that runework can be replaced with magic, the great Waystnes that make up the rim of the Vortex were made long before the alliance of elves and dwarfs, they were made by elf mages alone yet behold the Eonir who cannot make their own Waystones at least not beyond the magic trees.
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Then why can't they do it on their own? If their goal is pure magic Waystones then they have no reason to invite anyone else, what with them informing us that their library is better than the White Tower's and their Archmages are too cool for Ulthuan.

I don't see how we can help them if not with our Dwarven connections.

EDIT: I suppose if for some uncharacteristic reasons they were in a hurry to suddenly start this project, they could ask for our ability to do flash prototyping. But that'd imply they managed to waste millennia of Archmage time on things that don't help defend Laurelorn sufficiently.
 
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065tdsa said:
Then why can't they do it on their own? If their goal is pure magic Waystones then they have no reason to invite anyone else, what with them informing us that their library is better than the White Tower's and their Archmages are too cool for Ulthuan.

I don't see how we can help them if not with our Dwarven connections.
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Because they cannot obviously, they lack the knowledge or they lack the skill and they hope that whatever reinvented/rediscovered rune lore allowed us to awaken the waystones of K8P will patch things up just enough to get something working. Of course the secret ingredient was sheer luck in that case so no just making elves and dwarfs talk will not lead to a reinvention of their greatest work. We are going to have to patch it up with whatever we find on the ground, including magical duck-tape of the sort that would make Calandor Dragontamer weep look on in mute horror.
 
picklepikkl said:
Yeah, @DragonParadox, please provide a citation for that. I think you are thinking of something else. Here's every post of Boney's using the word adamant, and here's every post using the word glimril, just in case that's what you were thinking of instead. Nothing like what you mentioned is anywhere in any of those posts.
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Hmm... I distinctly recall bringing it up and that being the answer, one moment while I look up my own posts in thread.
 
Hm. Well.

With Laurelorn a leading contender in the vote right now, I guess it's time to think about topics that we might try to use their library for.

Chief on my mind: Cor-Dum slash Morghur, and Elementals like Bok.

... Also, while not something to use the library for, something that might be useful to bring to the project miiiight be: doing the research on Waaaghsoak Mushrooms.

Since, y'know, we just got shown some trees that absorb the Winds of Magic. So, you know what might help our understanding of 'What are these elves doing anyway'? Researching some other plants that absorb magic! So, yeah. Waaaghsoak Mushrooms. Doing the research and papers on them might be helpful.

Another thing that might be helpful to do, is Aethyric Vitae research. It's probably been brought up the possibility of using some of it to tempt Runesmiths and Elf wizards and... well, yeah. More of that, basically. Right now, we don't know what Wizards could really use AV for. Looking into it more -- maybe Enchanting, maybe Powerstone research, maybe Divine stuff... maybe just as a casting boost for Mages, might even be more useful to Qhaysh-users -- could be neat.


Another thing we may want to do, now that we're back and the Gambler face of the Coin is available again: doing a Skull River investigation followup, except this time with the Gambler on it.

The investigations on that are still ongoing. And they haven't really gotten anywhere. But now, we are free to use the Gambler on it, so... maybe we might have some luck?

(Also, speaking of other research stuff... Carcassonne might appreciate having "The Black Orc Warboss' worship of Only Gork, and what you saw of the Rogue Idol ritual" as a research topic shared. As well as maybe "Waaagh energy and magic witnessed during the Expedition" too. Since, they have Weird Greenskins Stuff trouble. Maybe that was why there was a Damsel attending the Waaagh and Peace lecture? Aside from the general usefulness and applicability of Waaagh and Peace that is.)
 
While it's evident that both Elfs and Dwarfs are diminished from their Golden Age glory days, i think part of the reason for that (beyond population collapse) is that both are lacking half of the tech tree they used for their greatest works, bringing them together its not just "lets see what we each have and hope it is enough", its the possibility of rediscovering and re-developing what they lost by joining their magical traditions and using them to research the pieces that remain.
 
You know, I think Carcassonne's pitch would have gone a lot better if there was an actual Damsel present for Mathilde to chat shop with. The only sponsor who actually understands the project at a reasonable level is Cadaeth—Boris expects too much and the Duke Huebald too little.

I think that disadvantaged them in a way—we want a boss who can understand what we are doing.
 
Garlak said:
Another thing we may want to do, now that we're back and the Gambler face of the Coin is available again: doing a Skull River investigation followup, except this time with the Gambler on it.
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I'm not sure how useful that would be at this point, the trail has gone really really cold and we only have so many gambler uses, we use it to mitigate risk and we use it to crit hunt on actions we want to succeed beyond the norm. I don't think we can spare it on an investigation that as far as the dwarfs are concerned is already done
 
DragonParadox said:
I'm not sure how useful that would be at this point, the trail has gone really really cold and we only have so many gambler uses, we use it to mitigate risk and we use it to crit hunt on actions we want to succeed beyond the norm. I don't think we can spare it on an investigation that as far as the dwarfs are concerned is already done
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Barak Varr had some people investigating, so there might be some new clues or they might have even solved it while we were gone.

One of the benefits of Laurelorn that Kurtis told us about is that we would be able to approach Marienburg, which dwarves would probably not like without proof that they are not responsible for that sabotage.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
You know, I think Carcassonne's pitch would have gone a lot better if there was an actual Damsel present for Mathilde to chat shop with. The only sponsor who actually understands the project at a reasonable level is Cadaeth—Boris expects too much and the Duke Huebald too little.

I think that disadvantaged them in a way—we want a boss who can understand what we are doing.
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Boss that can understand what we're doing would more or less invalidate Kislev and K8P, yet Kislev is way ahead of Carcassonne.
I think it's more that thread wants shinies (library, special waystones, glory) and to be a hero (this is not a bad a thing).
And Carcassonne, due to having to stick to the chivalric narrative, can't really provide them openly, while the Stupid Sexy Forest and Kislev are able to just throw bribes our way by the cartload.

Having a Damsel present might have helped, if only to hammer home what we are being promised, but i doubt it would have been enough.

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The river investigation is done, trying to redo it now would not be looked nicely by the dwarves and there would be questions of "why didn't you do it properly the first time?" being asked.
We are also no longer the Loremaster, it is not our job and dawi are unlikely to give us access we would need.
We should ask about the conclusions though.
 
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pucflek said:
I find the way the library of mourning is seemingly dismissed as being less off a possible contribution than Ice Witches/Damsels really weird, when its probably the best shot at it. I don't expect to find magical silver bullet there, because otherwise, Eonir would already be on top of it, but still.
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I do not dismiss the library as less useful than ice witches, so much as potentially more accessible if the projected is hosted in a different starting area and equally useful regardless of starting place. Ice Witches have the caveat that even if we do convince them to join is, they become less and less useful as they venture from Kislev. Book is book, regardless of where it is hauled too.
 
[X] Laurelorn

I like Kislev, but I really like Laurelorn. I feel like Laurelorn is the least of a gamble: while I think Laurelorn is a very promising location for the success of the Waystone project, it also offers a lot of benefits for everyone involved outside of that. Mending/creating bonds between elves and the rest of the world would be huge, and I think this project could do a fantastic job of paving the way for that. Also, I really want to tell Nordland to fuck off from the magic trees.

The library is also very nice for us personally I suppose, but the main thing for me is that I think we(humanity, dwarves, etcetra) could really use the help of the elves, while the elves also really need us.

Also, I empathize with their plight and am impressed with them reaching out to humans at all after having to deal with Nordland being terrible.
 
Garlak said:
... Also, while not something to use the library for, something that might be useful to bring to the project miiiight be: doing the research on Waaaghsoak Mushrooms.

Since, y'know, we just got shown some trees that absorb the Winds of Magic. So, you know what might help our understanding of 'What are these elves doing anyway'? Researching some other plants that absorb magic! So, yeah. Waaaghsoak Mushrooms. Doing the research and papers on them might be helpful.
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mushrooms are not plants, give back your mad sciences lab coat

but otherwise not bad idea.
 
I voted for them because I'm a sucker for Morgan Le Fay expies, but the Bretonni have been interesting every time they get brought up, especially the bits about how they adapt to living everyday life in a Chivalric romance story. Like how the laws of Chivalry lock women out of almost everything outside the home so they have a tradition of just wearing mens clothing if you need to do something. I love funny social commentary like that.

Anyway, Laurelon seems like it has lots of interesting stuff going on around it, and playing around in the Drakewald forest sounds like a good way to get promoted to Baron , or whatever rank is next after Knight.
 
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