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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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DragonParadox said:
While that is true the effort to learn how to ride a unicycle is far less than what it would take to cast in a new paradigm especially for the elves who have to take everything carefully since they cannot risk an arcane mark.
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I think where this shines would be Elves that have been arcane marked and dumped as crippled. Also I'd argue Ulgu Tongs shouldn't be any more susceptible to further arcane marks because it's manipulating the other wind of magic externally if it works.

Briefvoice said:
Call it a test case for just how seriously we should take the radical researchers too extreme for Ulthan label on the part of the Grey Lords.

Just how radical is radical? I look forward to finding out.
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Yea, for those Elves that have been arcane marked and it would only take one bit of bad luck to happen then this potentially opens up using the other winds of magic again.
 
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Or you could take it from the perspective of, "Well we would certainly never try this ourselves, but watching human wizards try it while we observe and record the results could be quite interesting indeed! Can you try it and fuck it up a couple of times to give us a baseline?"
 
Valmond said:
Are dwarves low literacy society?
And not all human societies have conspiracy of silence.
Also, millenia, the recruitment pool may be relatively low, but the time scale used works to fix that.
Anyway, trying to "brute force" a language is not so simple, and merely being a polyglot is not enough, we got lucky with a willing translator, another path would be if there was a rosetta stone equivalent, but with nothing to go on but some skaven writings is not going to crack it when you don't even understand sentence structure, have no related languages to compare it to, and probably lack the ability to make, or hear, some of the sounds (and smells) used.
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Indeed, with all our ressources and technology we still haven't cracked some ancient languages.
 
Man, I really thought I'd be hard locked on voting K8P before we got the offers from the different potential employers, Actually alright with leaving K8P even though I was really against it previously..
 
Valmond said:
We already speak Eltharin, i think you mean Anoqeyån?
Polyglot going the way of windherder would be us picking it up, and never learning another language anyway.
Which is a possibility, though not likely i think.
I don't think we have the option to learn Old One, Dragons might know it, but i bet they are not going to teach us, same for the Slaan.
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Thomasfoolery said:
This wouldn't actually happen if we did get it though, as it would let us pick up languages not just through active AP investment, but through easier osmosis as well. So at a minimum we'd probably get Tilean and Mootish from the sizable populations that speak it in K8P.
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pucflek said:
The best time to get polyglot is in the beginning, the second best time would be now.

Cue us never learning another language beyond what is necessary here, and polyglot falling to the wayside as Windherder did.

More seriously, we have plans on learning magically relevant languages, like the Old Ones and Eltharin anyway. Polyglot would go a long way into making it enticing to the thread. Languages in general might gate some thing behind the AP necessary to learn them, we might not be looking for those opportunities because we know they are very costly, time wise.

I am, of course, trying to sell a skin of an animal that hasn't even been born yet, much less found and hunted down and skinned. Perhaps there will be far better and relevant shinies.
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Well, the thing with Polyglot is that it is a pretty useful ability on its own, BUT if you combine it with the the bonus that we get from acquiring books, it becomes an extremely powerful trait.

I mean just by learning Tilean/Stalian we can buy the appropriate books from the Tilea and Estalia and get up to 4 extra points to any roll related to the subject...
 
I'm surprised how much K8P is lagging. I thought it was definitely the 2nd best option. All our towers and labs are really high level and under our direct control. And of course the best runesmiths are there.
 
Tim811 said:
I'm surprised how much K8P is lagging. I thought it was definitely the 2nd best option. All our towers and labs are really high level and under our direct control. And of course the best runesmiths are there.
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Belegar didn't make a particularly compelling argument, probably because he expected us to already know the benefits, so he focused on giving us the drawbacks because he's a very close friend and very honest with us. That makes things pretty demoralising and not particularly interesting. The others were doing sales pitches and attempting to convince us to host the project there so they make things sound very interesting. Combine that with people wanting to see different settings and it ended up pushing K8P way down even though it used to be a favorite.
 
I also think that most people are fine with either Laurelorn/Kislev winning, so there is little reason to approval vote, even if K8P would be their second choice.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Counterpoint: it's already hard-as-fuck without trying to reinvent the wheel. We know for a fact the "elf + dwarf uber alles" works, and works well.
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Not bad, but counter-counterpoint, we know that "elf + dwarf" is currently inadequate. The dwarves at least have lost knowledge since the golden age, and the elves may have as well. If we just try to recreate their wonder-twin powers we are guaranteed to come up short. The only way to make this work is with human magic to make up the gap.

And human magic has a very real contribution to make here, on account of having winds as part of our souls allows us to do things with magic that elves can't:
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Mathilde: "So I did the math and the theory didn't work out so the spell seemed impossible."
Elf: "Yeah that happens sometimes, don't get discouraged-"
Mathilde: "So I just jumped into it and followed my instincts and it worked out fine."
Elf: "What the fuck."
Mathilde: "No idea how or why it works but it does, here, watch me cast it."
Elf: "What the fuck."
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I think human magic is going to be the duct tape of this project.

I'm thinking the Fay Enchantress, the best human magic user in the world, is going to be more helpful than I had previously thought.
 
Tim811 said:
I'm surprised how much K8P is lagging. I thought it was definitely the 2nd best option. All our towers and labs are really high level and under our direct control. And of course the best runesmiths are there.
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pucflek said:
Belegar, being our friend, did not try to sell it to us. :V Turns out SV is weak to advertisment.
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there is also frankly a large number of voters that want to try something else on the menu before going back to dwarf-burgers.

nothing wrong with a good dwarf-burger, but if its the only thing you eat for nearly half a quest, you do want to try the elf-salad
or Kislav-Pelmeni for a bit.
 
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Klaus said:
Not bad, but counter-counterpoint, we know that "elf + dwarf" is currently inadequate. The dwarves at least have lost knowledge since the golden age, and the elves may have as well. If we just try to recreate their wonder-twin powers we are guaranteed to come up short. The only way to make this work is with human magic to make up the gap.
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No. We don't know anything of the sort. The entire point of Eonir approaching Mathilde was not because they wanted human expertise, but because they needed someone with understanding of magic that dwarfs trusted to lobby their project for them. Its entirely possible (however unlikely) that pooled Eonir and Dwarf knowledge will be enough. So no, we don't know anything of the sort.

EDIT: I find the way the library of mourning is seemingly dismissed as being less off a possible contribution than Ice Witches/Damsels really weird, when its probably the best shot at it. I don't expect to find magical silver bullet there, because otherwise, Eonir would already be on top of it, but still.
 
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Klaus said:
I think human magic is going to be the duct tape of this project.

I'm thinking the Fay Enchantress, the best human magic user in the world, is going to be more helpful than I had previously thought.
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Pity we seem headed for Laurelorn instead.
So no Fey Enchantress, no Damsels, and most tragic of all, no chivalrious doubletalk. :(

I'm pretty happy with Laurelorn though, it is my second favorite pick.
 
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Is we want to bring runesmiths into the project the most likely way is to bribe them with AV. If there is any way to mass produce AV the Qhaysh using elfs are the most likely to be able to find it.

Edit: If they haven't already. For all we know it's already a standard resource for them that they just don't mention because single wind humans obviously have no effective way to use it.
 
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