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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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DragonParadox said:
Funny as he may be Setra is a tyrannical asshole whom no one taught now to share as a toddler, so unless you can get Lord Kroak to be his babysitter that is a no go. :V
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There are other Tomb Kings, and entire orders of priests and necrotects. Nagash managed to twist their knowledge into making the Black Pyramid. They have knowledge we could sorely use.
 
[X] Karak Eight Peaks
[X] Laurelorn
[X] Praag
[X] Research Institute​
 
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BoneyM said:
The latter. Mathilde has a habit of internalizing new knowledge into her 'ah yes, everyone knows that' vibe. There's a dozen or so varying stories about him that Mathilde dug up and distilled down into that section, Mathilde had previously only known the basics of 'flip-flopped between Grey Order and Hedgewise until it was made official'.
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...that makes me suspect that story is almost completely wrong. Algard said it himself, the way to hide something from Grey Wizarrds is to give them half a dozen theories to argue about.
 
[x] Karak Eight Peaks
[x] Laurelorn
[x] Praag
[x] Carcassone

These most of all as being under Imperial jurisdiction is going to make gathering the expertise this project needs quite difficult.
 
I do want to advocate for investigating the Eonir. This lets us start fresh with Marienburg, which holds the great library. Given they are close to Uluthan and the Verenans commitment to preserving but not disseminating knowledge it may well have relevant info we wouldn't know about right now. It also has it's own college equivalent (sea magics?) which has presumably benefited in knowledge from their relationship with Uluthan, probably in a different way to the colleges given their focus on navigation and the sea.

Finally, being under the elves and able to operate at neutrality gives us a backchannel to Uluthan (and Marienburg may have some influence there, both to help or hinder us if we're their enemies).

That last part could be important. While of course Uluthan cannot have any official involvement without the Dwarves exploding, they have a vested interest in the waystone network being in working order, and Mathilde is a Grey. I certainly wouldn't say no to a few quite words with an elven archmage in a park when feeding the ducks in a Marienburg park. Or "bumping into" them at the Great Library.
 
@BoneyM, we've seen the elf ambassador who seemed to be a spellcaster (or who at least had interest in magical theory + excellent magical items + comes from a place where learning a bit of magic can be "part of the job"). Similarly, although Arsanil doesn't make a big show of it he is a spellcaster who regularly lives and works in the Empire.
Does this suggest that recruiting elves would be easier if their official job title wasn't wizard, but was something like "ambassador from Lorelorn" or "expert woodsman and Waystone-finder we hired"? Would some bosses be more open to this sort of loopholes than others, or is it just "if they like Lorelorn elves they'll turn a blind eye, if they don't like those elves they'll raise a stink" ?
 
BoneyM said:
I'm looking at the section that describes the relationship the Electors have with the lawmaking process and there's nothing like a veto or a unanimous vote in there, just a body that reviews new Imperial edicts and laws so they can warn the Electors if there's anything they need to raise a stink about. That Electors have it in their power to ignore Imperial decisions they don't approve of could be seen as amounting to a veto, but it's not an outright 'unanimous or no law' legal framework.
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Apologies, I'm sure there was a reference, but I can't find it now. I'll have a little bit more of a look.
 
[X] Karak Eight Peaks
[X] Praag
[X] Laurelorn
[X] Carcassone

I'm happy to investigate Praag, but I think the elevated levels of chaos corruption present make it an unlikely prospect to actually base the research in if we want any other human wizards involved.
 
[X] Karak Eight Peaks
[X] Laurelorn

I don't know the politics well enough to feel like I can choose between the other options in any meaningful way. These are both options that I at the very least want to know more of, and that appeal.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
@BoneyM, we've seen the elf ambassador who seemed to be a spellcaster (or who at least had interest in magical theory + excellent magical items + comes from a place where learning a bit of magic can be "part of the job"). Similarly, although Arsanil doesn't make a big show of it he is a spellcaster who regularly lives and works in the Empire.
Does this suggest that recruiting elves would be easier if their official job title wasn't "wizard", but was something like "ambassador from Lorelorn"? Would some bosses be more open to this sort of loopholes than others, or is it just "if they like Lorelorn elves they'll turn a blind eye, if they don't like those elves they'll raise a stink".
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While that might succeed, you're likely to encounter pushback from other Wizards, who might arguably be justified in feeling alarmed to find themselves party to playing chicken with the Templars. 'The Articles are more what you'd call guidelines, than actual rules' is a hell of a hurdle to introduce to your recruiting efforts. And just because Elven diplomats with the full backing of Ulthuan can get away with it, doesn't necessarily mean that everything will be hunky-dory if Mathilde tries to make exploiting it an institutional policy.
 
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