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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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[X] Laurelorn
[X] Carcassone

Opening up the door on the Elves is definitely important.

[X] Praag
 
[x] Research Institute
[X] Karak Eight Peaks
[X] Laurelorn
The top 3 seem like easy picks.
 
Rafin said:
Is this overruling WoQM on her knowing nothing, or did she find all this out recently before approaching him? If the latter, how? In general, the granularity of each time he turned loyalties seems quite extreme for something like this that is supposed to be a secret between Kurtis and Algard. It sounds like something that only another LM or an old Magister that is ambivalent on Kurtis and wants our favour could have relayed to Mathilde.
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I don't see how this matters or what the gain is in picking away at the update with these sorts of questions.
 
Yeah I'm willing to give Carcassone a chance over Marienburg, considering the latter is stuck with political baggage over the Dwarven Canals at the moment.

[x] Karak Eight Peaks
[x] Laurelorn
[x] Carcassone
[x] Praag
 
Voted Marienburg and Carcassonne because I'm curious.

[x] Laurelorn
[x] Karak Eight Peaks
[x] Praag
[x] Marienburg
[x] Carcassone
 
Rafin said:
Is this overruling WoQM on her knowing nothing, or did she find all this out recently before approaching him? If the latter, how? In general, the granularity of each time he turned loyalties seems quite extreme for something like this that is supposed to be a secret between Kurtis and Algard. It sounds like something that only another LM or an old Magister that is ambivalent on Kurtis and wants our favour could have relayed to Mathilde.
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The latter. Mathilde has a habit of internalizing new knowledge into her 'ah yes, everyone knows that' vibe. There's a dozen or so varying stories about him that Mathilde dug up and distilled down into that section, Mathilde had previously only known the basics of 'flip-flopped between Grey Order and Hedgewise until it was made official'.

Rafin said:
Also, how long did it take you to decide to have Kurtis be the one to exposit our options? It seems like the kind of sudden idea that comes after a bit of writer's block, where one is not a hundred percent satisfied, but happy to be able have the words flow out more easily again. But I'm not much of a writer, so I may be talking out of my ass here.
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It did take a while to reach this framework, yes. It also has the benefit of properly introducing Kurtis and the Hedgewise, who've been previously mentioned but never really described in full.

Rafin said:
If we choose this option, would the research institute have to be based in Reikland? Or could we "double dip" remaining a College institution under Dragomas legally (and heeding him in practice as well), but using a different location to attract different types of interest, funding and access? To give the obvious example: Imperial research institute in K8P, offering Belegar favors and knowledge for support and access while offering Wizards the exotic yet safe locale of the Karak and all that it has to offer.
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You get the benefits in exchange for giving authority over the project to the person in question, it doesn't come about because the person is just that delighted that Mathilde will be in the neighbourhood. But the Research Institute doesn't have to be physically located in Reikland, you get that benefit because it would be under the Emperor's authority and he's also the Elector Count of Reikland.

Rafin said:
Conversely, does this being an option mean we can't choose Belegar (or some other non-Empire entity) as the main employer while also using our deeds to create a research institute whose first major job would just happen to be getting hired by Belegar (or whoever) for "his" Waystone project while he also hires foreign mages?
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This will be a possibility. Boon/Deed expenditures are a future vote.

Rafin said:
Lastly, is there an option to get Belegar's blessing to have the "main benefactor" be Viceroy Francesco Cavallero? It would essentially be the K8P option, except that we trade in the prestige headstart and quite a bit of Dwarven funding for as much flexibility as is possibly imaginable within Karaz Ankor jurisdiction.
In other words, Belegar could lend us his support and oversight at enough remove to not have his honor tarnished by any shenanigans while Mathilde would have near to full control over the project at enough remove for it to not be an Imperial legal entity.
Drawbacks would be that Belegar won't be willing or able to give everyone a sweet master craftsman's salary and instead have to funnel money to us through Karag Nar, if at all. Also, newcomers would feel less assured than they would be working for a renowned Dwarf King directly, Dwarves would see the project as an Umgi thing and Elves might shit talk, ranging from amusement about a Dwarf polity pulling something like this to genuinely hurt pride at the dissociation.
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I don't see the benefits of burdening poor Francesco with nominal authority over the project. It's not like Belegar's going to be breathing over Mathilde's shoulder and second-guessing her actions unless you've got Francesco to act as a buffer, nor is he going to take it any better if Mathilde gets up to something dodgy if he has Francesco to take the fall for it.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
No, the downside is having no possibility of getting help from Ulthuan. Considering that they, outside of the Lizardmen, are basically the best remaining experts on them, that is significant.
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Well due to treasure-grudges we're also counting out the Tomb Kings, the best source of specifically geomantic knowledge outside of Ulthuan, Albion and Lustria.

Heh, that'd be funny. Maybe we can get Settra to be our backer.
 
[X] Karak Eight Peaks
[X] Laurelorn
[X] Praag
[X] Carcassone

Not really sure why Marienburg's an option. The rather tense diplomatic relations between the Empire (who are being blockaded), the Dwarfs (who are currently sailing a fleet to break said blockade), and Marienburg would mean significant concessions at the very least -- perhaps more concessions than we can promise or want to promise. It's not worth the very real hassle, in my opinion.
 
Shane_357 said:
Well due to treasure-grudges we're also counting out the Tomb Kings, the best source of specifically geomantic knowledge outside of Ulthuan, Albion and Lustria.

Heh, that'd be funny. Maybe we can get Settra to be our backer.
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Funny as he may be Setra is a tyrannical asshole whom no one taught now to share as a toddler, so unless you can get Lord Kroak to be his babysitter that is a no go. :V
 
Unlucky Bibliophile said:
[X] Karak Eight Peaks
[X] Laurelorn
[X] Praag
[X] Carcassone

Not really sure why Marienburg's an option. The rather tense diplomatic relations between the Empire (who are being blockaded), the Dwarfs (who are currently sailing a fleet to break said blockade), and Marienburg would mean significant concessions at the very least -- perhaps more concessions than we can promise or want to promise. It's not worth the very real hassle, in my opinion.
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I agree that is not a good option, but it has significant factors that make it a valid option - see the details of Marienburg.
 
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