- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
.... aaaaand I accidentally hit "close voting". Sorry guys, should be reopened.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
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Because that's not interesting?
Non of the side quest will have 'nothing'
To get meta, their point is to tempt.to use up resources. So even trusting the thread to back out when we are running low, the more we do early, the less we can do late
I would rather wait until we are deeper then blowing your load on all the early hitter.
OC: I want to have a look at the growing Orgie cavern empire and see if we can get some back up for gold.
But if we have worn ourselves out on a lot of early side quests...
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
- Location
- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
Short version is: I brought up a number of unpleasant things about Uz as reasons we shouldn't visit it, Al and DP zeroed in on the slavery point I mentioned and claimed that Mathilde was 100% AOK with slavery in general, and I've been explaining why I don't agree with that. My more general reason is 'it's an incredibly unpleasant place that serves the forces of disorder and I don't want to visit unless we plan to burn it to the ground', with slavery actually being only one part of that.
- Location
- Mexico
Slaanesh must be getting to me.
Oh no, i know exactly what kind of opportunity arises and we don't want to conquer the entire place until the way back, no checking the combes guys.
ConfusedCanuck
Where did it all go wrong?
- Location
- Neverland
[X] Thane Borek Forkbeard
[X] Head Engineer Gotrek Gurnisson
[X] Head Ranger Snorri Farstrider
[X] Preceptor Joerg von Zavstra
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart the Younger
[X] Head Engineer Gotrek Gurnisson
[X] Head Ranger Snorri Farstrider
[X] Preceptor Joerg von Zavstra
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart the Younger
I'm not really seeing the problem of exploring when its on the way rather than a massive sidetrip. Its a market and port, far too many people pass through it for anyone to be noticed short of the convoy driving up to the gates and demanding to be let in.
Mathilde is aware of subtlety, and this is a fairly good place to acquire additional supplies and fuel to top up the reserves, which are down due to events at Vlag. Its a chance to acquire intelligence and resources.
Besides, it's a good way to gather information on other travelers and large convoys passing through that we may want to avoid. Mathilde is more than capable of approaching in disguise or concealment, and shes mobile enough to enter the city from the opposite direction of the expedition with minimal fuss.
And finally. Boney usually pregenerates the threats. The state of Vlag was not determined when we poked it. It was determined when the expedition started, and had we not poked it, we may have run into surprise daemonic army on the way past. Same goes for the Chaos Dwarves. Can't know if anything could come out of it if we don't look.
Mathilde is aware of subtlety, and this is a fairly good place to acquire additional supplies and fuel to top up the reserves, which are down due to events at Vlag. Its a chance to acquire intelligence and resources.
Besides, it's a good way to gather information on other travelers and large convoys passing through that we may want to avoid. Mathilde is more than capable of approaching in disguise or concealment, and shes mobile enough to enter the city from the opposite direction of the expedition with minimal fuss.
And finally. Boney usually pregenerates the threats. The state of Vlag was not determined when we poked it. It was determined when the expedition started, and had we not poked it, we may have run into surprise daemonic army on the way past. Same goes for the Chaos Dwarves. Can't know if anything could come out of it if we don't look.
I have to disagree here. I'd find Boney's worldbuiding interesting and fun even if the subject matter is not nice. Fun is in the eye of the beholder.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Oh.. it's just that doesn't really matter? Like if we wanted Mathilde to lead an easy life we wouldn't be going on this expedition in the first place?
Like it's a terrible place that's going to be filled with horrible sights, things that will disgust Mathilde and be emotionally damaging, ultimately though I think it's something that will end up hardening her resolve and strengthening her conviction though. We wont be visiting the place to go on a bender as if it's Vegas, we'll be taking the lay of the land, learning what we can for the future and laying the ground work for hopefully some day some faction to destroy the place.
We might also be able to benefit personally from the place by grabbing some unique curios whether by paying for it or by stealing them. I don't think they're arguing that Mathilde is okay with slavery, just that it doesn't obligate Mathilde to act immediately to destroy the place. Mathilde is quite capable of discretion and biding her time.
Errr, I don't get why you think we'd ever want to conquer the combes, we have no forces to occupy the place at best Mathilde would just go magical thief and ransack the place at worst we find out the Skaven are getting ready to intercept the expedition and we're in place to do something heroic to intervene.
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- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
Unfortunately, it's currently set to the post right after that, which means that votes from when the moratorium expired no longer are counted. Is it possible to manually change the auto-voter so that it knows where to start counting from? If not, the final closed vote is going to be very screwed up.
(Also, I think that visiting Uzkulak is a foregone conclusion at this point and not really worth discussing. The thing that's actually controversial at this point is the combes.)
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[X] Head Engineer Gotrek Gurnisson
[ ] Head Ranger Snorri Farstrider
[ ] Citharus, Barbitus, and Timpania
[X] Visit Uzkulak, the Chaos Dwarf equivalent to Barak Varr
[X] Visit the combes that Qrech told you about
[X] Thane Borek Forkbeard
[ ] Head Ranger Snorri Farstrider
[ ] Citharus, Barbitus, and Timpania
[X] Visit Uzkulak, the Chaos Dwarf equivalent to Barak Varr
[X] Visit the combes that Qrech told you about
[X] Thane Borek Forkbeard
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- Location
- Greece
Honestly, assuming we survive, if after all this our Dwarf reputation becomes "yes", I wouldn't be suprised.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
- Location
- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
It's not about her being unhappy. It's about her seeing large amounts of suffering when she has absolutely no need to, and being unable to do anything about it. It's not about her being fragile, it's about her being human and capable of empathy. She is not going to come out of seeing somewhere like Uz unaffected, and while I certainly don't think it'd break her or anything stupid like that I don't see the point in going there unnecessarily.
Also, I'm bowing out of discussing things with you now, on the grounds that if I don't I'm probably going to start throwing around words like 'sociopath' and breaking the rules. Feel free to reply and/or quote me, just be aware that I won't be answering back.
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SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
This is absolutely my concern, voting to not scout these places doesn't remove them as threats it just blinds us.
I err don't really get this, no one has said anything sociopathic, so I don't know why you think you're at risk of accusing other posters of being such, although you're sort of already doing it by implication at this point.
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... but they didn't?
They just pointed out that she knows Kislev has slave and is willing to work with them, so she obviously can work with those people when she needs too or ignore it when she has to.
When talking about this type of stuff, don't hyperbole what preople are saying. And calling them out for the hyperbolic and not what they said.
It leads to bad things for everyone.
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- Somewhere in the area
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- He/She/They
[X] Thane Borek Forkbeard
[X] Head Ranger Snorri Farstrider
[X] Head Engineer Gotrek Gurnisson
I mainly just want to talk to the three dwarf leaders. We just saved a dwarf hold from the grip of chaos, one that disappeared around the same time Dum did iirc, that's huge.
I imagine Borek is feeling a mix of annoyance and vindication. We just lost a valuable contingent of Slayers, as well as a good bit of time, food, and ammunition during this. But the fact that Vlag survived until now, a hold much less equipped and experienced with fighting Chaos, means that Dum's chances of having survivors just skyrocketed.
I imagine Snorri is feeling a mix of joy and sorrow. He pushed for trying to reclaim Vlag, even when his fellows believed it to be impossible, and he was right. Dwarves were still living inside, and our actions saved them. But even with everything we did for them, the scars of the demonic siege remain, and we can't do anything more to help them.
I don't know what Gotrek is feeling right now. He didn't think it was initially feasible to save Vlag, but was willing to draw up and support some pretty ambitious plans of attack once the expedition thought they had a chance. He wasn't too invested either way about it, unlike Borek who just wanted to get on to Dum, and Snorri who thought we should do anything we could.
[X] Head Ranger Snorri Farstrider
[X] Head Engineer Gotrek Gurnisson
I mainly just want to talk to the three dwarf leaders. We just saved a dwarf hold from the grip of chaos, one that disappeared around the same time Dum did iirc, that's huge.
I imagine Borek is feeling a mix of annoyance and vindication. We just lost a valuable contingent of Slayers, as well as a good bit of time, food, and ammunition during this. But the fact that Vlag survived until now, a hold much less equipped and experienced with fighting Chaos, means that Dum's chances of having survivors just skyrocketed.
I imagine Snorri is feeling a mix of joy and sorrow. He pushed for trying to reclaim Vlag, even when his fellows believed it to be impossible, and he was right. Dwarves were still living inside, and our actions saved them. But even with everything we did for them, the scars of the demonic siege remain, and we can't do anything more to help them.
I don't know what Gotrek is feeling right now. He didn't think it was initially feasible to save Vlag, but was willing to draw up and support some pretty ambitious plans of attack once the expedition thought they had a chance. He wasn't too invested either way about it, unlike Borek who just wanted to get on to Dum, and Snorri who thought we should do anything we could.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
- Location
- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
This is definitely an argument that Mathilde is perfectly fine with slavery:
As for the rest, I just don't think there's any point putting her through that stuff when we don't need to. If we were actively intending to do something proactive there, then sure, I'd be all for going. But not out of what seems to be a mix of curiosity and hoping for shinies.
So she will be affected. We literally voted to send her to Hell, or the borderlands thereof at least, do you anticipate the Chaos Dwarfs slave market being worse than that? I genuinely do not understand the scale of mental/emotional discomfort you are using.
This kind of meta argument seems very suspect. It basically seems to be going down the road Boney said they weren't a fan of "Of course it'll be like this or it would be a bad design."
On the face of it I see no reason we can't poke around the combes, find out a few interesting odds and ends that are neat but not relevant to the expedition, and then be on our way. Just as I see no reason it couldn't be that we poke around and find them massing for an attack. The idea that it'll be meta wise locked in as being forced to spend resources if we open the box holds no water with me though.
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I imagine "slave markets" are a lot easier to conceptualize than "outskirts of Hell".
I do think your miss representing what they meant with that. I haven't fully followed the argument so I can't be sure.
But I think (and yes, I'm aware of the hypocrisy of what I just gave out about with you) that was more hyperbole reply to what you were saying then a vouch for 'Mathy is pro slavery'
- Location
- Finland
Helpless? Lady Magister of Grey College?
Yeah, no.
She might not be able to fix everything, but not able to act, at all, i seriously doubt it.
and i would not trust myself to not vote to act.
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Also, we are actively working to oppose the forces of that hell.
not going sightseeing and shopping.
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