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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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one in K8Ps (Loremaster fund's)

one In stirland: underground mansion (wizard towers don't actually need to be towers, that's just a style thing.) (Personal funds and dwarf and college favour as needed)

one in Altdorf (ask college for a spot to put it) (college favour, potentially empire Approval)

one in Sylvania (Dwarf fortress/tower) (personal funds and favour)
 
Andres110 said:
You know I did mention influence and power as the things we don't get with LM, so it was pretty clear I was thinking about that and not simply "numbers on the character sheet". And I assert we don't. We're already Loremaster of Karak EIght Peaks, we already have deeds and titles giving weight to our words, we're still able to research whatever we want so long as it's not proscribed. Lady Magister didn't give us anything new, it was just recognition of all we had.
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LMs have a say in electing the head of their order and likely have some influence in naming future LMs. Beyond that any LM can challenge for the top spot over all the Colleges. There's probably other minor perks and opportunities - like full access to the shadow dimension the College is in.

In terms of quest mechanics LMs time is also more valuable (10CF to hire one to 6CF to hire one) so that may well reflect in future tasks.

Looking forwards the Loremaster is potentially more temporarily limited than the Lady Magister/Thane of Karak Eight Peaks/Dame of Stirland titles.

We can't take the Loremaster title with us if we want to focus on non-Loremaster things whilst the other titles are for life.
 
Looking forwards we've got events for a lifetime in K8P between Cyton, Panoramia, The Waystone Project, and interesting stuff like this very expedition.
I think folk will have a struggle uphill to get away from K8P
 
Asheram said:
Looking forwards we've got events for a lifetime in K8P between Cyton, Panoramia, The Waystone Project, and interesting stuff like this very expedition.
I think folk will have a struggle uphill to get away from K8P
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Don't I know it,

but I do feel that an ... itch... to do something else, even if it's still in k8ps from parts of the thread. (As the main campaigner for thego somewhere else for a bit facton, I've kept an eye out for this stuff.)

so even if we don't ever leave k8ps, the loremaster title has its days numbered.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
Don't I know it,

but I do feel that an ... itch... to do something else, even if it's still in k8ps from parts of the thread. (As the main campaigner for thego somewhere else for a bit facton, I've kept an eye out for this stuff.)

so even if we don't ever leave k8ps, the loremaster title has its days numbered.
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There's always our Naggarothi "vacation" once we're done with the Waystone project?
 
Asheram said:
Looking forwards we've got events for a lifetime in K8P between Cyton, Panoramia, The Waystone Project, and interesting stuff like this very expedition.
I think folk will have a struggle uphill to get away from K8P
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K8P is a good base unless we'll eventually get into College leadership.

The Loremaster responsibilities might become too bothersome though; particularly if the Waystone and Bok research projects turn into multi year campaigns of getting bits of lore from various elves.
 
Zero Gravitas said:
K8P is a good base unless we'll eventually get into College leadership.

The Loremaster responsibilities might become too bothersome though; particularly if the Waystone and Bok research projects turn into multi year campaigns of getting bits of lore from various elves.
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Well, I'll be frank with telling you that the Waystone project is something I would've enjoyed Mathilde to be working on in her spare time anyhow. If we get Belegar to give us this project then we've got other things to spend our free time on.
 
Asheram said:
Well, I'll be frank with telling you that the Waystone project is something I would've enjoyed Mathilde to be working on in her spare time anyhow. If we get Belegar to give us this project then we've got other things to spend our free time on.
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or we could just become a free agent while living in k8ps. and do things as we feel like it. (aka kragg style)

that has always been an option.
 
Andres110 said:
It would be frowned up since it's just paying for it with money with an extra step.
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If it's frowned upon by the QM then that's completely understandable. But if IC concerns are the only ones, well, no one but Mathy and Max have to know about it. And since it's a research project for something we hope to be useful in general, no one will bat an eye if Max gifts/sells a copy or two of the goodies he commissioned to his employer.

@BoneyM Completely different question. How do you handle the chance of off screen deaths for major characters that aren't currently focused on? Do you have a large chart and roll a d100 for each once every couple of turns?
 
Rafin said:
@BoneyM Completely different question. How do you handle the chance of off screen deaths for major characters that aren't currently focused on? Do you have a large chart and roll a d100 for each once every couple of turns?
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Im Pretty sure torroar is the only QM that nuts.

most put things in 'narrative time' off screen unless it has a chance of effecting the current arc. (like the Snake)
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
Im Pretty sure torroar is the only QM that nuts.

most put things in 'narrative time' off screen unless it has a chance of effecting the current arc. (like the Snake)
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Well, this is a CK2 quest, and not doing something like this risks having the majority of named characters die of old age. Like, Wilhelmina is an inheritance crisis on a timer. Having that only happen in a predictable ~30 years would make things boring. Mandred becoming EC of Reikland and new Emperor elections happening should also be something that's actually possible within the confines of this quest. As is the idea of a Magister Patriarch being replaced for reasons other than "he or she joined Mathilde on an expedition".
In general, in a feudal system the typical way for someone young with de facto political pull gaining power is inheritance. And it's also how things most often get shaken up. Just look at how impactful Abelheim's death was. Or that of the former Empress. If those things can only happen in the influence radius of Matilde, that could be a bit too predictable IMO.
 
As a quick note, having the elves actually enter K8P as part of the Waystones project might require Mathilde to still be Loremaster, just to have the weight of authority to make it happen. I don't think it will without us.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
soo, people, big project ideas?

I like TP towers.
one in K8Ps
one In stirland (underground mansion)
one in Altdorf (college office.)
one in Sylvania (Dwarf fortress)

Room for more as we need.

1: makes travel not a thing.

2: add the underground mansion to our 'house'. which is just fucking cool once fixed up. (we can literally do a Dr Who 'its bigger on the inside' trick on our guests.)

everyone who don't know magic well enough will think we figured out how to do the mansion in the bottle trick.
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The big problem I see with teleportation towers is the security issue. They're a back door into places that really, really shouldn't have back doors. Hopefully they compensate for this by being inaccessible back doors... but Order doesn't have a monopoly on magical talent.
 
Zero Gravitas said:
Looking forwards the Loremaster is potentially more temporarily limited than the Lady Magister/Thane of Karak Eight Peaks/Dame of Stirland titles.

We can't take the Loremaster title with us if we want to focus on non-Loremaster things whilst the other titles are for life.
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I recall Boney saying there's a distinction made between being a Thane- which is as you say a for-life title- and being Thane of Someplace, which I took to mean as far as Thane of Karak Eight Peaks goes, we'd only retain that part while remaining in service to Belegar.
Glau said:
As a quick note, having the elves actually enter K8P as part of the Waystones project might require Mathilde to still be Loremaster, just to have the weight of authority to make it happen. I don't think it will without us.
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Seems plausible. I'd expect that most of the prospective replacements Belegar would presumably look to appoint wouldn't be even as well-disposed to Elgi as we are.
 
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Given how badly relations between K8P and Karaz-a-Karak are souring, maybe our next big political campaign will be securing an Elector Vote for Belegar.
 
The Lone badger said:
Given how badly relations between K8P and Karaz-a-Karak are souring, maybe our next big political campaign will be securing an Elector Vote for Belegar.
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If anything, I'd think there was an uptick in relations after the events at Skull River.

At any rate, the Karaz Ankor is going to be rather focused on figuring out the culprits so they can decide who to lay one very large Grudge on, so I think things will be fine there for a bit.
 
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Rafin said:
If it's frowned upon by the QM then that's completely understandable. But if IC concerns are the only ones, well, no one but Mathy and Max have to know about it. And since it's a research project for something we hope to be useful in general, no one will bat an eye if Max gifts/sells a copy or two of the goodies he commissioned to his employer.
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It'd be putting Max in an incredibly uncomfortable position, where he's being asked to take part in what he would think is a breach of the Vow of Poverty. And spilling the beans on how it's actually enforced is even more frowned upon than breaching it.

Rafin said:
@BoneyM Completely different question. How do you handle the chance of off screen deaths for major characters that aren't currently focused on? Do you have a large chart and roll a d100 for each once every couple of turns?
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Depends what they're doing and what's going on in the background. Roswita was making rolls back when Alkharad wasn't a paperweight, even when Mathilde had never heard of him. Esbern and Seija weren't when they were just chasing down rogue Yhetees in Ostland, but they would have if the Knights had taken on something more dangerous. Most of Mathilde's friends are either killy enough or important enough to hire killy that incidental death isn't a huge possibility.

Simon_Jester said:
The big problem I see with teleportation towers is the security issue. They're a back door into places that really, really shouldn't have back doors. Hopefully they compensate for this by being inaccessible back doors... but Order doesn't have a monopoly on magical talent.
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It would be orders of magnitude more difficult to make them work for anyone than they would be to make them work for just one Grey Wizard who is capable of doing half the work themself.
 
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BoneyM said:
Scheduled vote count started by BoneyM on Nov 26, 2020 at 3:02 PM, finished with 520 posts and 117 votes.
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I don't know what's up with your tally there, but the actual winner was just Wizards and Asarnil, no Knights.
 
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