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Taking the GM's Advice and doing a pro-dragon post

I and others have already covered what I think the dragon as a romantic pursuit means for Mathilde's magical perspective on the world but there is one angle which has not been covered, namely xeno-affinity. First of all let us consider what it is and where it comes from. It was born of her experiances with dwarfs, surly and suspicious but willing to take a chance on her, with the We, seeming monsters who proved a peaceful and honorable ally and even Querch, truly a monster in some ways, but also a victim of the Horned Rat. Mathilde has learned to see the basic humanity, for lack of a better term even in the most strange and frightful beings. Now what does it mean that she would seek romance in one who is not human and never was, in a dragon. I mean she is a reader of romance novels right? She should be looking for mister tall dark and handsome?

I think choosing Cython is an acknowledgement that romance isn't about lust physical attraction, but about the soul and this is a woman who can see souls. This is about Mathilde the romantic determined to do the seeming impossible, courtly love with dragons in palace of princes, pure of the distractions of the flesh. It's worth recalling that the romance Mathilde is reading would not be of the modern sort. Oh there would be plenty of books with steamy scenes, implicit or explicit, but there would also be the kind of love that neither gets nor requires physical consumption to be true. It would ironically perhaps be the kind of romance a Bretonian bard would sing... between the dragon and the peasant girl.

That just feels compelling to me.
 
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[X] Eike Hochschild, to get to know your future business partner.
[X] Barak Varr, to watch the progress of the canal.
[X] Kasmir, to see how he's keeping himself busy in Sylvania.
[X] [ROMANCE] The Ice Dragon of Karag Zilfin
 
[X] [ROMANCE] Journeywoman Panoramia
[X] [ROMANCE] Elector Countess Roswita van Hal
[X] [ROMANCE] The Ice Dragon of Karag Zilfin
[X] Gretel, who's apparently spending her newly-earned wealth to make herself at home.
[X] Belegar, to discuss the northern Karaks and the Expedition.
[X] Stirland, to see for yourself how the war against Sylvania is progressing.
[X] Julia, to see what she has gotten up to as Stirland's most experienced spy master.
[X] Eike Hochschild, to get to know your future business partner.
[X] Pay a visit to your fief, to see if anything has changed. It probably hasn't.
 
The first place is pretty uncontested, but 2nd through 4th is anyone's game at this point
Adhoc vote count started by NSMS on Aug 29, 2020 at 2:28 PM, finished with 615 posts and 183 votes.
 
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[X] Belegar, to discuss the northern Karaks and the Expedition.
[X] Eike Hochschild, to get to know your future business partner.
[X] Kasmir, to see how he's keeping himself busy in Sylvania.
[X] Barak Varr, to watch the progress of the canal.
 
I think choosing Cython is an acknowledgement that romance isn't about lust physical attraction, but about the soul and this is a woman who can see souls. This is about Mathilde the romantic determined to do the seeming impossible, courtly love with dragons in palace of princes, pure of the distractions of the flesh. It's worth recalling that the romance Mathilde is reading would not be of the modern sort. Oh there would be plenty of books with steamy scenes, implicit or explicit, but there would also be the kind of love that neither gets nor requires physical consumption to be true.

There is an unfortunate implication here, which I'm sure is unintentional, that Mathilde's romantic feelings for any of the human choices would be "about" physical attraction. I think this is unfair given the lengths people have gone to in explaining why they feel Panoramia, Johann, and the rest make good partners for Mathilde.
 
[X] Eike Hochschild, to get to know your future business partner.
[X] Kasmir, to see how he's keeping himself busy in Sylvania.
[X] [ROMANCE] The Ice Dragon of Karag Zilfin
[X] [ROMANCE] Journeywoman Panoramia
 
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Here is my reasoning why you should not vote for Panoramia

Panoramia is first and foremost incredibly forgettable (I have read this entire and she is the one character whose personality I can't even remember) and people mostly only vote for her because of SV's Pathological need to make all female quest protagonists lesbians for no discernible reason, this is a opportunity to rise above you're caveman instincts SV, come on SV you are (probably not) better then this.

But all jokes aside, I believe having Mathilde romance and marry a man would ultimately be more interesting in the long run because that way you can have child characters (Unless we do some crazy slaaneshi nonsense that's not happening with Panoramia) and RP'ing in a quest as a mother is something that to my knowledge hasn't really been done before, so that would genuinely be new and interesting. Certainly more interesting then the downright incredibly overdone and tired cliche that is the lesbian pairing option.

And the Dragon if romancing somehow actually works would also be incredibly interesting for self explanatory reasons.

So in short, having a quest RP a mother would be genuinely interesting and a breath of fresh air, while Panoramia would just be kinda uninteresting, I mean this isn't even a setting where they immediatly purge people who are found to not subscribe to the default sexual orientation, so we don't even have dramatic tension spicing things up.
 
There is an unfortunate implication here, which I'm sure is unintentional, that Mathilde's romantic feelings for any of the human choices would be "about" physical attraction. I think this is unfair given the lengths people have gone to in explaining why they feel Panoramia, Johann, and the rest make good partners for Mathilde.
It also implies that people can't be physically attracted to the ice dragon. :V

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Here is my reasoning why you should not vote for Panoramia
Boney quite explicitly asked people to not do this.
 
There is an unfortunate implication here, which I'm sure is unintentional, that Mathilde's romantic feelings for any of the human choices would be "about" physical attraction. I think this is unfair given the lengths people have gone to in explaining why they feel Panoramia, Johann, and the rest make good partners for Mathilde.

I'm not saying that a Mathilde who chooses to pursue another sort of romance is wrong, I'm just trying to get into the head of one who would choose dragon. This being a pretty big break with what it is expected of her I imagine it would come with a bit of inner dramatics. Ulgu does make for showmen and Mathilde is a romantic.
 
Panoramia is first and foremost incredibly forgettable (I have read this entire and she is the one character whose personality I can't even remember) and people mostly only vote for her because of SV's Pathological need to make all female quest protagonists lesbians for no discernible reason, this is a opportunity to rise above you're caveman instincts SV, come on SV you are (probably not) better then this.
We've been asked not to make statements/jokes about this, can you not?
 
Here is my reasoning why you should not vote for Panoramia

Panoramia is first and foremost incredibly forgettable (I have read this entire and she is the one character whose personality I can't even remember) and people mostly only vote for her because of SV's Pathological need to make all female quest protagonists lesbians for no discernible reason, this is a opportunity to rise above you're caveman instincts SV, come on SV you are (probably not) better then this.
Considering the amount of arguments that have been made based on Pan's personality, and the fact that the second-place romance is a dragon (of indeterminate gender, to boot), this goes beyond incorrect and into outright insulting. I know that's not what you're intending, but please take more care with what you're implying and saying in the future.
But all jokes aside, I believe having Mathilde romance and marry a man would ultimately be more interesting in the long run because that way you can have child characters (Unless we do some crazy slaaneshi nonsense that's not happening with Panoramia) and RP'ing in a quest as a mother is something that to my knowledge hasn't really been done before, so that would genuinely be new and interesting. Certainly more interesting then the downright incredibly overdone and tired cliche that is the lesbian pairing option.

And the Dragon if romancing somehow actually works would also be incredibly interesting for self explanatory reasons.

So in short, having a quest RP a mother would be genuinely interesting and a breath of fresh air, while Panoramia would just be kinda uninteresting, I mean this isn't even a setting where they immediatly purge people who are found to not subscribe to the default sexual orientation, so we don't even have dramatic tension spicing things up.
Er... have you never heard of adoption?
 
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While the idea of actually succeeding in romancing the dragon would be absolutely hilarious, realistically most people in-universe would probably view Mathilde upon learning of the exact nature of her relationship with the dragon as either batshit insane or a sexual deviant (and those who would not view her this way are probably followers of slaanesh so they don't count)

Considering the amount of arguments that have been made based on Pan's personality, and the fact that the second-place romance is a dragon (of indeterminate gender, to boot), this goes beyond incorrect and into outright insulting. I know that's not what you're intending, but please take more care with what you're implying and saying in the future.
Er... have you never heard of adoption?
Oh I have but it wouldn't be quite the same now would it.
 
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[X] [ROMANCE] Magister Johann
[X] [ROMANCE] The Ice Dragon of Karag Zilfin
[X] Belegar, to discuss the northern Karaks and the Expedition.
[X] Barak Varr, to watch the progress of the canal.
[X] Kasmir, to see how he's keeping himself busy in Sylvania.
[X] Julia, to see what she has gotten up to as Stirland's most experienced spy master.
 
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[X] [ROMANCE] The Ice Dragon of Karag Zilfin
[X] Belegar, to discuss the northern Karaks and the Expedition.
[X] Barak Varr, to watch the progress of the canal.
 
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While the idea of actually succeeding in romancing the dragon would be absolutely hilarious, realistically most people in-universe would probably view Mathilde upon learning of the exact nature of her relationship with the dragon as either batshit insane or a sexual deviant (and those who would not view her this way are probably followers of slaanesh so they don't count)

Who is 'most people'. Wizards? I doubt they would care, many of them have all romantic impulse obviated by their Winds. Dragon riders and other elves, a partnership is a partnership. Dwarfs, they are sensible folk who mind their own business.

Are we going to define Mathilde's romantic choices by what some nebulous imperial public opinion thinks?
 
While the idea of actually succeeding in romancing the dragon would be absolutely hilarious, realistically most people in-universe would probably view Mathilde upon learning of the exact nature of her relationship with the dragon as either batshit insane or a sexual deviant (and those who would not view her this way are probably followers of slaanesh so they don't count)


Oh I have but it wouldn't be quite the same now would it.
Romance and sex are not the same thing, and there is no guarantee Mathilde will have a successful relationship of either type, no matter who the thread votes for.

Adoption is just as valid a method of having a child as actually giving birth to said child. Please refrain from implying otherwise.
 
Looking at the Tally as is, is there any chance I could convince people voting for the Dragon to leave Eike or Kasmir for next turn ? Because they are so few votes ahead and we can get them next turn for sure, specialy since Belegar won't be around to be an autopick, but right now may be our only chance to vote for the Dragon, and it is so close to winning a chance.
 
While the idea of actually succeeding in romancing the dragon would be absolutely hilarious, realistically most people in-universe would probably view Mathilde upon learning of the exact nature of her relationship with the dragon as either batshit insane or a sexual deviant (and those who would not view her this way are probably followers of slaanesh so they don't count)

Most people in universe (at least in the Empire) have a poor opinion of magic (mainly because they're ignorant).

Other wizards are going to be ok with Mathilde being attracted to a dragon's personality or soul. Let's keep in mind that other wizards turn into dragons or gild themselves.
 
[X] [ROMANCE] Magister Johann
[X] [ROMANCE] Baron Anton Kiesinger II
[X] Barak Varr, to watch the progress of the canal.
[X] Kasmir, to see how he's keeping himself busy in Sylvania.
[X] Julia, to see what she has gotten up to as Stirland's most experienced spy master.
 
Personally i like the Johann pairing for the chance to have a kid thats probably magically active and the hijinks of raising a magical son or daughter which is going to be much less likely any other route.
 
Personally i like the Johann pairing for the chance to have a kid thats probably magically active and the hijinks of raising a magical son or daughter which is going to be much less likely any other route.

Would we even get there, the kid would have to get to at least their teens to even express magic so that is close to thirty turns just growing us, the first half of those being pretty boring and less clever than Wolf :V
 
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