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[ ] Seek out merchants who have travelled the Skull Road to learn what they know of it.
[ ] Seek volunteers from the Colleges to join the Expedition.
[ ] With the help of a gyrocarriage, personally scout part of the route (specify: High Pass, Road of Skulls, Western Great Steppes, Karag Dum vicinity)
All of this requires six actions in total. And I don't think any of them should be done more than a year before expedition start. I guess we could also squeeze in contacting the Ice Witches, though I don't know how much benefit that would truly provide.
All in all, a tight fit if the expedition starts in 3 turns, but otherwise pretty doable.

I'm fairly certain this is incorrect, or at least Boney has said that if Belegar audits our activities, foisting things onto our subordinates would not be looked upon as kindly as personal intervention.
Belegar has never done that before. What form would such an audit even take and how would he manage to bamboozle a Ranaldian Grey Magister that successfully embezzled in her first job since day one?
 
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All of this requires six actions in total. And I don't think any of them should be done more than a year before expedition start. I guess we could also squeeze in contacting the Ice Witches, though I don't know how much benefit that would truly provide.
All in all, a tight fit if the expedition starts in 3 turns, but otherwise pretty doable.
If we scout the Road of Skulls ourself, we probably don't need the merchant action, and vice versa.

There's been heavy pushback in the thread against recruiting wizards for the expedition, because the Chaos Wastes are seriously bad juju. I am agnostic on this point, not being a lore aficionado myself.

But yeah, I'm expecting a lot of personal scouting actions from Mathilde. It's the main thing she can provide that other people can't: deep-penetration fast recon, with the help of Shadowsteed and Invisibility.
Belegar has never done that before. What form would such an audit even take and how would he manage to bamboozle a Ranaldian Grey Magister that successfully embezzled in her first job since day one?
If we fail, we'll get grilled on what exactly we did when, at which point a low direct involvement in our assigned task will reflect badly on us.
 
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Belegar has never done that before. What form would such an audit even take and how would he manage to bamboozle a Ranaldian Grey Magister that successfully embezzled in her first job since day one?
That's not the point. The point isn't that we won't get caught, the point is that we know Belegar would consider this doing our job poorly, and we happen to really like Belegar and want to be a good councilor to him. So, we should do our best to meet his standards when doing so.
 
@BoneyM
Is the EIC capable of garnering the merchant information regarding the appropriate routes the expedition would take?

No, it doesn't have a presence in Kislev, Ostland, or Ostermark.

@BoneyM since we are spending an action partially interacting with Qrech, could we also get a free Qrech Gambit, provided we were to use the Deceiver instead of the Gambler? It would be an interesting option if we are willing to drop Coin experimentation for this turn, which seems to be gaining slight traction right now.

Sure, you can try.

How rapidly do Chaos Wastes expand? And did they expand as a result of Chaos victories or did they facilitate said victories? I was assuming it was a terrain type that required more than simple Chaos army occupation.

They usually don't. They expanded during the invasion of the Everchosen Asavar Kul. Whether it's chicken or egg is up for debate.

@BoneyM Does this apply to the expedition?

No. An expedition into the Chaos Wastes is not a normal assignment. You'd need volunteers instead of just calling in favours.

@BoneyM How much favor does Belegar owe the Colleges by the way, not counting any outstanding debt to Mathilde?

A lot.

Belegar has never done that before. What form would such an audit even take and how would he manage to bamboozle a Ranaldian Grey Magister that successfully embezzled in her first job since day one?

Try it and find out.

Silly question maybe.

Is the magic cap at 10 a hard cap for Mathilde or is it a soft cap?

Soft cap.
 
That is news to me.
Quote please.
Despite only costing you half an action, organizational actions are just as effective as personal ones within their scope. If there's something that falls within the Watch's area of expertise you can definitely bring them in and have their contribution help meet your 'quota' of effort spent. But at the end of the day, if you'll excuse me borrowing a phrase from the other Warhammer: "Success requires no explanation, failure allows none". If you succeed, nobody will care if Mathilde sat around in her pyjamas for six months reading trashy novels while the Watch did all the work. If you fail... well, you've got fairly substantial wells of goodwill to draw from, but if you develop a habit of failing then eyes will be drawn to how you're spending your time, and in those times you'll definitely want to have a well-punched timecard.
Admittedly, this was a while ago, so the mechanics about this could have changed. @BoneyM: I hate to ask, because I'm pretty sure this has been asked before, but is this correct?
Job relevant half actions for terms of AP count as full actions for terms of job completion.

As for recruiting a wizard, I think that recruiting a Shyish wizard is probably best in the chaos waste, to better deal with undead, of which I expect a good amount.
 
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There's been heavy pushback in the thread against recruiting wizards for the expedition, because the Chaos Wastes are seriously bad juju. I am agnostic on this point, not being a lore aficionado myself.

I think the danger in the thread is heavily overblown for wizards. The chaos wastes have a lot more magic flowing about but it's not as a general rule laced with Dhar until you go much further in than we'd be going for an expedition to Karak Dum. Karak Dum is not so far north that summoning daemons would be made trivial and it's especially not so far in that the terrain is like a daemon worlds terrain.


They usually don't. They expanded during the invasion of the Everchosen Asavar Kul. Whether it's chicken or egg is up for debate.

Personally I expect it probably means that the Chaos horde of the time did something to permanently explode some of the waystones in the north so that the chaos waste could expand.
 
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My rating on how good the actions are for our current task and how we should prioritize. I've made this to encourage discussion so that we can create an optimal task layout and timeline.
Current Task: Karag Dum Expedition preparations

[ ] Collate useful information on the northernmost Dark Lands from Qrech and Lady Magister Grey.
5/5 ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
A unique contribution that only Mathilde is capable of providing. This gets the Dwarves information that is only available to Grey Wizards and Skaven which is rare and valuable.

[ ] Try to contact the Ice Witches of Kislev in the hopes they can provide clement weather for the Expedition.
5/5 ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Hypothetically the Dwarves could do this themselves, however it's unlikely they'll think of it. If we successfully pull this off it could be the difference between success and failure. We may even want to consider using the coin on this to convince the Witches to aid the expedition.

[ ] With the help of a gyrocarriage, personally scout part of the route (specify: High Pass, Road of Skulls, Western Great Steppes, Karag Dum vicinity)
5/5 ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Personal scouting. There's no information that's as good as a primary source. There are 4 scouting actions and we should concentrate them for when the expedition is about to leave both to increase Mathilde's preparedness and to ensure the information is as fresh as possible.

[ ] Seek out merchants who have travelled the Skull Road to learn what they know of it.
3/5 ⭐⭐⭐
This is a task can expect the Dwarves to perform. Additional questioning won't hurt but this action likely isn't as useful as the other alternatives.

[ ] Seek mercenaries to join the Expedition (optional: specify who/where).
2/5 ⭐⭐ - 5/5 ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
The Dwarves are absolutely capable of hiring mercenaries themselves and Mathilde doesn't have any special connections with one major exception. The exception being that Mathilde has a unique connection to Asarnil both personally and through Anton so if he's available and willing to join the expedition this action would jump to 5/5. Assuming the Dwarf expedition is fine with an Elf riding a Dragon coming along of course.

[ ] Seek volunteers from the Colleges to join the Expedition.
???
Mathilde is unique in that she owns a unique artifact that makes her immune to Dhar. Other wizards do not have such artifacts so bringing them along is a risk to the Wizard themselves, the expedition and to Mathilde reputation. Or at least that may be the case, as we discover more information about Karag Dum and the pathway there we'll be able to determine whether bringing Wizards is worth it or a foolish risk.

Hypothetical timeline
turn 1: Qrech and Lady Magister Grey.
turn 2: Ice Witches + contact Asarnil if he's available.
turn 3: High Pass, Road of Skulls.
Turn 4: Western Great Steppes, Karag Dum vicinity.
 
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[ ] Seek volunteers from the Colleges to join the Expedition.
1/5 ⭐
Mathilde is unique in that she owns a unique artifact that makes her immune to Dhar. Other wizards do not have such artifacts so bringing them along is a risk to the Wizard themselves, the expedition and to Mathilde reputation.

Dhar exposure in the chaos wastes at least the depth of Karak Dum should be trivial. The chaos wastes are where the winds of magic begin to blow very heavily, but it doesn't become dhar just from higher ambient levels of the winds you wont even get to storm of magic levels at Karak Dum. At least I wouldn't expect it.

Belegar doesn't owe anything for those, I thought we paid for those with our own college favor.

Belegar paid the lion share of the costs we put in favour to get Algard to come, but the majority of the cost was handled by Belegar.
 
Wait, I'm sorry, I'm drawing a blank for some reason. What outstanding debts to the colleges as a whole has Belegar incurred, because I can't think of anything that would apply.
Notably hiring the college wizards for the tower of doom, but also probably hiring Panoramia and Maximilian on the initial expedition, the magic dragon stone thing, and probably a few others I'm forgetting.
 
but also probably hiring Panoramia and Maximilian on the initial expedition
I believe Panoramia and Maximilian were volunteers for the expedition, so he wouldn't owe the colleges for their actions anymore than he owes the colleges for our actions. If our actions are accruing College debt for Belegar, then God help us all.

Edit: I see. Well, we should probably stop putting Belegar in the hole unless it's pretty important, then. Another reason for him to dislike that menhir.
 
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I believe Panoramia and Maximilian were volunteers for the expedition, so he wouldn't owe the colleges for their actions anymore than he owes the colleges for our actions. If our actions are accruing College debt for Belegar, then God help us all.

Some of them are when it brings in outside help like the shadow tower, and the dragon altar.
 
@BoneyM could Mathilde theoretically open a large portal to move the expedition? Since Mathilde could build a tower for long range teleportation.
 
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Dhar exposure in the chaos wastes at least the depth of Karak Dum should be trivial. The chaos wastes are where the winds of magic begin to blow very heavily, but it doesn't become dhar just from higher ambient levels of the winds you wont even get to storm of magic levels at Karak Dum. At least I wouldn't expect it.
Depends on the winds. In the Gotrek and Felix novels when they went up there it was really bad (but admittedly that was when Chaos was on the rise and pushing in). The real problem is that I expect that we'll be responsible for whoever comes along since it's at our initiative to recruit them.

If we're not responsible for any screw ups they cause then I'd rate the action much higher. I might just be overly cautious from the Stirland campaign.
 
Depends on the winds. In the Gotrek and Felix novels when they went up there it was really bad (but admittedly that was when Chaos was on the rise and pushing in). The real problem is that I expect that we'll be responsible for whoever comes along since it's at our initiative to recruit them.

If we're not responsible for any screw ups they cause then I'd rate the action much higher. I might just be overly cautious from the Stirland campaign.
No more than we were responsible during the K8P-campaign and it went very well there.
Not a single miscast with the Journeyman!

See that was our mistake. Of course Magister's would blow themselves up and Journeyman don't :whistle:
 
It'd be a disaster to have it constant, as they'd bumble around knocking things off shelves and such. It'd have to be activated.
Cat enchantment? Cat enchantment.
No more than we were responsible during the K8P-campaign and it went very well there.
Not a single miscast with the Journeyman!

See that was our mistake. Of course Magister's would blow themselves up and Journeyman don't :whistle:
Journeymen know they're in over their head. Magisters have had time to get confident. :V
 
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