That only matters if we fail. Success excuses everything, and I think the enchantment will help us succeed at the mission.
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That only matters if we fail. Success excuses everything, and I think the enchantment will help us succeed at the mission.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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...Karag Dum is the place the expedition is to.
Anyway, drat that the Chaos training doesn't fulfill our obligations. I'm personally OK with that -- remember that success requires no justification -- but if we're going to drop anything, drop the Coin study. The classes are the key to the plan.
Absoltuely not.
From the first post in the thread:
Wrangling the Okral.
It's where the Expedition is going.
Karag Dum is a huge distance from the Norse Dwarves.
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- She/Her
I'm happy with this plan.
[x] Plan Keep It Classy
[x] Plan Keep It Classy
- Location
- Brazil
[x] Plan Keep It Classy
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
I am not very enamored with the top few plans in general and would enjoy seeing another take on the next turn getting traction. That said, does it actually matter if we don't fulfill our obligations by Dawi standards in this fashion? Literally no one is looking over our shoulder and the voter body usually knows better than Belegar what the most efficient use of Mathilde's time is, given the 6-14 turn time frame we have for doing this. And it isn't as if we were generally slacking off or anything.
Honestly, I believe that if people had been consciously aware of how far off the expedition is we wouldn't have voted to present it as a concern at the council meeting 3-5 turns of focus on the subject are more than enough and especially the scouting actions should happen at least somewhere in the year leading to the expedition's launch, not 3+ years in advance. Personally I hope that Belegar won't look down on us if, after we are done supplying general information and materiel, we tell him that we want to do more but that there is little point in doing it right now and that he should give us a task to do in between.
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- Earth
Made a v2 Version that drops the Coin study.
I am not willing to throw the dice on this.
I don't want to find out what dwarves do should they find out we are half-assing an attempted run on Karak Dum
[x] Plan Fulfilling Obligations
-[x] Contains one Overwork action
-[x] MAX: Study an artefact: Captured Clan Moulder devices (as yet uninspected)
-[X] JOHANN: Have him teach Adela what he knows of engineering.
-[x] DUCK: Magical target-shooting is rough on normal targets. Set up a specialized target range for your ducklings, and for any other wizards at Eight Peaks.
-[X] EIC: Start hiring handlers who can then start hiring informers and begin to collect non-public information.
-[x] SERENITY: Write a paper: The We book (1/2)
-[x] PENTHOUSE: Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
-[x] Collate useful information on the northernmost Dark Lands from Qrech and Lady Magister Grey.
-[x] Seek out merchants who have travelled the Skull Road to learn what they know of it.
-[x] Attend classes at the Grey College:
--[x] Anti-Chaos Training
--[x] Enchanting
-[x] Study an artefact: Ranald's Coin
--[x] COIN: The Gambler
[x] Plan Fulfilling Obligations v2
-[x] Contains one Overwork action
-[x] MAX: Study an artefact: Captured Clan Moulder devices (as yet uninspected)
-[X] JOHANN: Have him teach Adela what he knows of engineering.
-[x] DUCK: Magical target-shooting is rough on normal targets. Set up a specialized target range for your ducklings, and for any other wizards at Eight Peaks.
-[X] EIC: Start hiring handlers who can then start hiring informers and begin to collect non-public information.
-[x] SERENITY: Write a paper: The We book (1/2)
-[x] PENTHOUSE: Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
-[x] Collate useful information on the northernmost Dark Lands from Qrech and Lady Magister Grey.
-[x] Seek out merchants who have travelled the Skull Road to learn what they know of it.
--[x] COIN: The Gambler
-[x] Attend classes at the Grey College:
--[x] Anti-Chaos Training
--[X] Runes and Runecraft
--[x] Enchanting
Approval Votes for any plan fulfilling our obligations:
[x] Plan Planting the Seeds
[X] Plan: Chlof v2
[x] Plan Planting the Seeds with Ciphers
[x] Plan Keep It Classy But Do the Job
[X] Plan Coin pumped merchants and Windherder test
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[X] Plan Do you want to meet an Icewitch?
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- Location
- Finland
[X] Plan Classy Ciphers and Jade Magisters
-[x] Contains one Overwork action
-[x] MAX: Study an artefact: Captured Clan Moulder devices (as yet uninspected)
-[X] JOHANN: Have him teach Adela what he knows of engineering.
-[X] DUCK: Panoramia's about ready to test for Magister, but she's putting it off because she doesn't have a lot of free time to prepare. Work with her to help make the most of every spare minute.
-[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander introduce a series of ciphers to the EIC to allow it to communicate internally in much greater security.
-[x] SERENITY: Write a paper: The We book (1/2)
-[x] PENTHOUSE: Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
-[x] Collate useful information on the northernmost Dark Lands from Qrech and Lady Magister Grey.
-[x] Attend classes at the Grey College:
--[x] Anti-Chaos Training
--[x] Runes and Runecraft
--[x] Enchanting
-[x] Study an artefact: Ranald's Coin
--[x] COIN: The Gambler
-[x] Contains one Overwork action
-[x] MAX: Study an artefact: Captured Clan Moulder devices (as yet uninspected)
-[X] JOHANN: Have him teach Adela what he knows of engineering.
-[X] DUCK: Panoramia's about ready to test for Magister, but she's putting it off because she doesn't have a lot of free time to prepare. Work with her to help make the most of every spare minute.
-[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander introduce a series of ciphers to the EIC to allow it to communicate internally in much greater security.
-[x] SERENITY: Write a paper: The We book (1/2)
-[x] PENTHOUSE: Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
-[x] Collate useful information on the northernmost Dark Lands from Qrech and Lady Magister Grey.
-[x] Attend classes at the Grey College:
--[x] Anti-Chaos Training
--[x] Runes and Runecraft
--[x] Enchanting
-[x] Study an artefact: Ranald's Coin
--[x] COIN: The Gambler
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
FWIW, my thinking, should Keep It Classy win, is that next turn we do this for our personal actions:
[X] Plan Keep It Classy
[X] Plan Fulfilling Obligations v2
- AV+enchanting experiment
- Turn staff
- 2 job actions
I'll approval vote that, yeah. Coin on the Merchant actions looks good to me, it increases the odds that we find anyone who knows anything useful.
[X] Plan Keep It Classy
[X] Plan Fulfilling Obligations v2
3 to 7.
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- Earth
our time-sheet attracts attention should we not deliver.
our time-sheet attracting attention is not a bad thing IF we invested time in our given project.
People are voting to roll a single dice whether that will happen or not, since we are not investing the time.
The thing is, if we want to intervene directly by personally scouting, we need to raise our game.
We can do that in a couple of ways. Getting better gear, and getting personally more competent. I'd prefer the later, but the thread seems to be going for the former.
Given where we're going, I think raising our mundane skill is what's important here. I'd put learning from a Ranger, trying to get to Master Infiltration, or developing our unique sword style above Enchantment in the priority list.
However, I can see the attraction. Being able to upgrade our robes to have a permanent tireless effect could make a major difference to our ability to both perform physical training and also to our performance out in the field, making it much less likely we get fatigued, etc.
We can do that in a couple of ways. Getting better gear, and getting personally more competent. I'd prefer the later, but the thread seems to be going for the former.
Given where we're going, I think raising our mundane skill is what's important here. I'd put learning from a Ranger, trying to get to Master Infiltration, or developing our unique sword style above Enchantment in the priority list.
However, I can see the attraction. Being able to upgrade our robes to have a permanent tireless effect could make a major difference to our ability to both perform physical training and also to our performance out in the field, making it much less likely we get fatigued, etc.
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These seem the best for the country we'd be heading into, as far as mercenaries. Elite scouts and ones able to clash with the Kurgan and win.
5 actions? On the malus?
- Location
- Canada
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- He/Him
[x] Plan Keep It Classy
[X] Plan Keep It Classy
[X] Plan Fulfilling Obligations v2
[X] Plan Fulfilling Obligations v2
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
Oh drat. For some reason I thought it was Kraka Drak all this time. The wiki didn't provide a location map for it and I got massively confused.
Now that my confusion got cleared up, how did Karag Dum manage to stay in contact till 200 years ago if it is literally in the Chaos Wastes and there's Dawi-Zarr holdings close to the main route in between?
Or alternatively, when was this Great War Against Chaos? Did the Forces of Chaos
My reading comprehension is really taking a crapper today. I thought you said 3-7 years...
- Location
- Before the Ninth Gate
I really want to do the coin action now, as we keep putting it off. How about we do the duckling action for Karag Dum instead, recruiting the besiegers and Gretel?
I think Gretel would be especially useful in Karag Dum because there are a lot of undead up there, from what I remember.
[x] Plan Fulfill Obligations with Gretel
-[x] Contains one Overwork action
-[x] MAX: Study an artefact: Captured Clan Moulder devices (as yet uninspected)
-[X] JOHANN: Have him teach Adela what he knows of engineering.
-[x] DUCK: Attempt to recruit Gretel and the Besiegers for the Karag Dum Expedition.
-[X] EIC: Start hiring handlers who can then start hiring informers and begin to collect non-public information.
-[x] SERENITY: Write a paper: The We book (1/2)
-[x] PENTHOUSE: Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
-[x] Collate useful information on the northernmost Dark Lands from Qrech and Lady Magister Grey.
-[x] Attend classes at the Grey College:
--[x] Anti-Chaos Training
--[x] Runes and Runecraft
--[x] Enchanting
-[x] Study an artefact: Ranald's Coin
--[x] COIN: The Gambler
Approval:
[X] Plan Keep It Classy
I think Gretel would be especially useful in Karag Dum because there are a lot of undead up there, from what I remember.
[x] Plan Fulfill Obligations with Gretel
-[x] Contains one Overwork action
-[x] MAX: Study an artefact: Captured Clan Moulder devices (as yet uninspected)
-[X] JOHANN: Have him teach Adela what he knows of engineering.
-[x] DUCK: Attempt to recruit Gretel and the Besiegers for the Karag Dum Expedition.
-[X] EIC: Start hiring handlers who can then start hiring informers and begin to collect non-public information.
-[x] SERENITY: Write a paper: The We book (1/2)
-[x] PENTHOUSE: Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
-[x] Collate useful information on the northernmost Dark Lands from Qrech and Lady Magister Grey.
-[x] Attend classes at the Grey College:
--[x] Anti-Chaos Training
--[x] Runes and Runecraft
--[x] Enchanting
-[x] Study an artefact: Ranald's Coin
--[x] COIN: The Gambler
Approval:
[X] Plan Keep It Classy
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- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
That's, uh, four actions. "Experiment with integrating the Vitae into enchantments" is one thing, though I guess the way I wrote it (with a + sign) makes it look like there's two on one line.
Basically, my thinking is that if we have to drop one of the set {AV enchanting experiment, staff turning, uber-robes}, drop the uber-robes because the first two don't affect one another, but both might affect our ability to enchant the uber-robes.
Don't worry about it, a number of other people have made the same mistake.
That is not at all a bad idea for meeting our obligations if people are nervous. Sure, I'm down.
[X] Plan Keep It Classy
[X] Plan Fulfill Obligations with Gretel
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One thing to consider is that the Wastes are an incredibly unhealthy place for humans, often leading to madness and mutation, which can produce a spiral of chaos corruption, which isn't always obvious. If we're looking for mercenaries, we want elves, dwarves, ogres, or halflings*. Not the particularly mutable humans.
Mathilde only gets a pass because of her belt.
* Or Lizardmen or the Undead, but they're unique regiments.
Mathilde only gets a pass because of her belt.
* Or Lizardmen or the Undead, but they're unique regiments.
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It wasn't in the Chaos Wastes until they expanded 200 years ago.
We've got another 3 turns at least before we need to deliver. For example even if we only take 1 direct action on the task this turn we can take 2 on the next turn to make up for it. Because this task goes on for multiple turns we should have more flexibility. I expect when the expedition gets closer to setting out we'll likely spend multiple actions at once performing scouting.
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- Earth
ducklings are a half-action, though better than no action at all in keep it classy it still does not fully fulfill our obligations. We need either two half-actions or a full-action.
[X] Plan Keep It Classy
[X] Plan Fulfilling Obligations v2
[X] Plan Fulfill Obligations with Gretel
[X] Plan Fulfilling Obligations v2
[X] Plan Fulfill Obligations with Gretel