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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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DragonParadox said:
Well there is the issue of murder and cannibalism which are usually the consequences of becoming a vampire. :V
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If you're a vampire, does drinking human blood actually count as cannibalism? You're not human at that point, so surely cannibalism would be eating other vampires.
 
[X] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor
[X] You've got a puppy, he's got several. Easy. Spend time with him as your pup plays with his.
[X] The Halflings are renowned chefs, and several restaurants have opened clustered around the base of Karag Nar. Share a meal with her.
 
[X] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor
[X] There's a festival to Grungni coming up, and Johann has taken to observing the Holy Days of the Ancestor-God. Join him in this.
[X] The Halflings are renowned chefs, and several restaurants have opened clustered around the base of Karag Nar. Share a meal with her.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Diplomacy is just not Mathilde's strong suit. I recall someone once asking BoneyM if we were considered the Grey College's foremost expert on Dwarven diplomacy, and we got a resounding "no". For all that we're immersed in their culture, the Grey College with its very limited pool of employees had someone more suitable for the role.

To suggest that the Empire's diplomatic services can't rummage up someone capable of telling them "no, the Dwarves feel very strongly about secrets" to at least Mathilde's level may actually be the most egregious case of players considering the PC to be more competent than the NPCs in their own fields I've seen in the entire quest.
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DragonParadox said:
And will they always listen to that mythical dwarf expert whose loyalties we do not know and competence can only assume?
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Then, I think... We let them make those mistakes.

(And trust that two thousand five hundred years of alliance will mean that it won't all collapse overnight.)

That's, uh... that's a thing we can do. That's a thing we should do.

We should not only let people do things and handle responsibilities. We should also let people do things, and possibly accept the possibility of some mistake being made 10 or 40 years on.

That's just... that's just life.

I think isolating people from consequences to such an extent that you're casting judgment to this degree and this extent...

... Look, if we were talking about Guild Secrets and religious secrets that Mathilde had learned from Gunnars and Kragg and others? Yeah I'd say "Hell no, they do not need to know this, and some of our knowledge are probably/hopefully going to take to the grave with us." And if it were things like the Waystone thing, or the High-King-didn't-send-aid-to-K8P thing, then again I'd also say "Hell no." But. Those two things are explicitly things we are not going to be sharing. Because they're secrets.
 
ninjafish said:
i know have the desire to commission chain mail lingerie from some poor confused dwarf blacksmith.
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I'm fairly sure that would chafe and pinch horribly. With normal chainmail you wear thick cloth between it and your skin, which would sort of defeat the point of chainmail lingerie.
 
Guys. Guys. I just drank a few beers, and I had this moment. I felt like I had just reached Enlightenment. My brain felt like it was a galaxy. No, like it was five galaxies.

And then, I had this 200 IQ idea.

What if, What if, we tell them about the rift, but, like, just tell them we can't say more without breaking vows and damaging the relationship between the Empire and Dwarfs, which we believe is more important than what we would reveal? Let the politicians look for secret layers in a sentence with only one layer.
 
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Akasha said:
Guys. Guys. I just drank a few beers, and I had this moment. I felt like I had just reached Enlightenment. My brain felt like it was a galaxy. No, like it was five galaxies.

And then, I had this 200 IQ idea.

What if, What if, we tell them about the rift, but, like, just tell them we can't say more without breaking vows and damaging the relationship between the Empire and Dwarfs, which we believe is more important than what we would reveal? Let the politicians look for double meanings in a sentence with only one meaning.
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Boney said if we do that we're telling them we don't trust they can keep it from getting back to the Dwarves, which they'd take very poorly.
 
[X] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor

[X] Though you both use your magic to cheat, you both have an interest in personal fitness. Work out with him.

[X] Panoramia currently calls a small cottage somewhere in the Eastern Valley home, help her expand it into a proper tower.

BurnNote said:
Hmm, the description of his clothing reads like 'dwarf nouveau rich', which is not the style I would've expected from him.
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I believe what you are missing here is that he is the heir to a Young Hold , he likely dresses like that because at the end of the day thats what he is.
 
[X] Conceal matters you know the Dwarves would prefer you conceal
[X] Though you both use your magic to cheat, you both have an interest in personal fitness. Work out with him.
[X] Panoramia currently calls a small cottage somewhere in the Eastern Valley home, help her expand it into a proper tower.
 
Lupercal said:
Given dwarf fashion so far in the quest I would not be suprised if that is saucy clothing. :V
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Hmm... you know, dwarves are hardier than humans. If that extends to their skin being more resistant to rubs and wear, they might actually be able to get away with wearing chainmail underwear.
 
there really isn't any way to tell the empires top diplomat that he needs to be careful with what we tell him without professionally offending him...

largely because telling the empires top dip how to do his job is pretty insulting.
 
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NSMS said:
I'm not talking culturally or about the whole 'cattle' stupidity you sometimes see, I'm talking about you literally becoming a different species.
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My point is you are not really a different species, but and altered version of the previous one. Longevity sharper senses, stronger muscles and magic powers do not a different species make, anymore than we can consider the liche priests of Nehekara a different species.
 
BoneyM said:
The principles described in that weren't Ulgu-specific.
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Ah, I meant have non-Greys actually gone out to fight Orc Shamans to see if the principles work for other Winds and then produce papers yet. IIRC Mathilde's lectures specifically addressed the possibility that non-Ulgu Winds might not work for this solution since they flow differently.

I'm curious if other Winds can use Mathilde's solution.
 
picklepikkl said:
That being said, I would like to tell Belegar about this conversation at first opportunity (private chat after the council meeting?) and come clean about it, so that he knows that the Empire knows. @BoneyM, would something like this be possible?
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picklepikkl said:
(Furthermore, the fact that Boney has revealed that the Empire only sends diplomats to KaK shows a blind spot in the Empire's understanding of dwarf politics. Giving more information about that should help the understanding that the Holds are not monolithic, pun 100% intended, and aid Imperial-Dwarf relations.)
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This particular thing though... Hoo boy.

This, I think, is something that should be considered and thought about. (And I guess the Chamberlain will think about it himself.)

Because, like, yes... the Empire only sends to KaK. But. Uh... Well. This means, that it would be a big change in politics and power, if the Empire suddenly started sending lots more diplomats to various Dwarf Holds. And that may or may not be desireable.

Because, like... Having all the Empire diplomats be in Karaz-a-Karak? Means that Karaz-a-Karak has soft power. And uh... I don't know if I want to erode away Thorgrim's soft/political/influence and power. Because it'd be a change, and I don't know if it'd be a good one. And like... Right now? Thorgrim is undergoing a huge change in priorities. His race is no longer doomed and dying.

So, like... now, he can spend his influence and stuff to help Dwarfs abroad. He can spend his influence with the Empire, to help Karak Eight Peaks. (Which is now critical to the Karaz Ankor.)

And if we also were to tell Belegar that we told the Chamberlain this... Then I'm predicting that as part of the conversation, Mathilde will try to mollify Belegar by telling all the above things. That is, that whole "This'll draw away power from Thorgrim."

And Belegar's realpolitik and goraki trait might make him accept it. Because he'll see it as a way to take power from Thorgrim, and give that power to others, among those others being Belegar and his Karak Eight Peaks.

And yet he'd hate it, still, of course.

And the rift between Belegar and Thorgrim would widen. Because now, Thorgrim won't even be able to use his full influence as the go-between between the Empire and all the Dwarf holds, to be able to help Belegar fully.

So yeah. I'd actually probably prefer to not come clean to Belegar about all this. Because I thought to myself 'What would the outcomes of that painful conversation be? And what are the ways in which Mathilde might try to make that bitter pill be more palatable to swallow?' And the answer that came to that was 'By throwing Thorgrim under the bus even more and playing on goraki and realpolitik even more.' And I went 'Oh god I hope that doesn't happen.'

Both because it could widen the rift between Thorgrim and Belegar. And because it might stress and pressure Belegar even more. And because it would take away power and influence from Thorgrim, at a time where he would be looking to put it to use to revitalize (or at least guard and make-safe) the whole of the Karaz Ankor.
 
NSMS said:
Hmm... you know, dwarves are hardier than humans. If that extends to their skin being more resistant to rubs and wear, they might actually be able to get away with wearing chainmail underwear.
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Don't even necessarily have to be tougher, we can make perfectly comfortable chainmail socks that double as running shoes these days.
 
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