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Prime omake material right there.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Begging for chocolate.
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Thoughts on an Advanced Gigantean Sorcerer Faerie Dragon? Faerie Dragons inherently cast like 3rd level sorcerers, so that should benefit their sorcerer scaling, I believe. CR 12, so there's room for one or two more templates in there.
Another thing: we gained limited access to the telepathic template by piggybacking off the natural abilities of pseudodragons when creating the Mind Dragons. 1: can we use the template on normal pseudodragons, and 2: would that be useful for us?
Also, these templates:
www.d20pfsrd.com
It's a similar concept to Quickling Creature (when did we get that?), but different in execution. The fact that it doesn't age the subject at 4x speed makes it suitable for sapient beings and big investments, as opposed to disposable attack animals.
www.d20pfsrd.com
An even cheaper and simpler speed template: you go ten feet farther, and you get the effects of blur when you move farther than ten feet.
www.d20pfsrd.com
Create your own Griffons, Owlbears, and other anatomical oddities. Averages the stats and abilities of two creatures together. An unfortunate amount of randomness, as this is meant to represent more haphazard work than Valyrian mass-production fleshforging, but if we could get some degree of control over it, this could be interesting.
A third thing: I've been thinking about using Giant Moray Eels or Gulper Eels as the basis for an aquatic equivalent to the Dragonbeasts: a Colossal physical brute killer. The Giant Moray has a super double bite, while the gulper can just straight up swallow people whole.
www.d20pfsrd.com
www.d20pfsrd.com
Another thing: we gained limited access to the telepathic template by piggybacking off the natural abilities of pseudodragons when creating the Mind Dragons. 1: can we use the template on normal pseudodragons, and 2: would that be useful for us?
Also, these templates:
Alacritous Creature (CR +2)[3pp] – d20PFSRD
www.d20pfsrd.com
It's a similar concept to Quickling Creature (when did we get that?), but different in execution. The fact that it doesn't age the subject at 4x speed makes it suitable for sapient beings and big investments, as opposed to disposable attack animals.
Alchemically Quickened (CR +1) – d20PFSRD
www.d20pfsrd.com
An even cheaper and simpler speed template: you go ten feet farther, and you get the effects of blur when you move farther than ten feet.
Abomination (CR +1)[3pp] – d20PFSRD
www.d20pfsrd.com
Create your own Griffons, Owlbears, and other anatomical oddities. Averages the stats and abilities of two creatures together. An unfortunate amount of randomness, as this is meant to represent more haphazard work than Valyrian mass-production fleshforging, but if we could get some degree of control over it, this could be interesting.
A third thing: I've been thinking about using Giant Moray Eels or Gulper Eels as the basis for an aquatic equivalent to the Dragonbeasts: a Colossal physical brute killer. The Giant Moray has a super double bite, while the gulper can just straight up swallow people whole.
Eel, Giant Moray – d20PFSRD
www.d20pfsrd.com
Eel, Gulper – d20PFSRD
www.d20pfsrd.com
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egoo
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@everyone, we are never going to use Dark Sister for her direct purpose as often as she wants.
She simply doesn't fit our stratagem.
I say, the update that Azel cooked up won't help it in the slightest.
She'd become a slightly more useful instrument - but an instrument and no more - and we can capture souls too by now, and without her.
I say, hand it to Rhaella or Dany.
She's just wasting away in Viserys' possession, a tool of sacrifice at most.
And no, those few times we did use her don't count.
Far too few compared to amount of encounters we didn't use her in.
She simply doesn't fit our stratagem.
I say, the update that Azel cooked up won't help it in the slightest.
She'd become a slightly more useful instrument - but an instrument and no more - and we can capture souls too by now, and without her.
I say, hand it to Rhaella or Dany.
She's just wasting away in Viserys' possession, a tool of sacrifice at most.
And no, those few times we did use her don't count.
Far too few compared to amount of encounters we didn't use her in.
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Dark Sister is best sword/girl, and I will never support giving her to somebody other than Viserys, regardless of the logic behind said decision
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I'm against this.
egoo
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She doesn't get her share of swording, and never will.
I cant care less, but if y'all okay with that...
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Yes, I'm still against this.
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They won't use it much either.
Problem is we don't have a Dragonknight, or some kind of similar champion in our realm.
Closest is Richard, who isn't a Targ.
To be honest, unless we revive a Targ (I'm against that), our best bet is too keep it until a Targaeryen with sufficient interest and skill in melee appears.
Maybe Rhaenys in 10 years, maybe someone else.
Very minor nitpick, but if you already specify magical compulsion, add mundane too.
Basically the full "informed consent" thing.
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You guys working up a legal code or something?
Crake
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I am against specifically giving her over to Dany and Rhaella who neither have a combat style which actually suits her usage. Dany has honestly no business fighting in melee in all but the most dire circumstances, and Rhaella doubly so by virtue of not even being a Cleric who can go all Meleezilla on people.
Dark Sister is going to languish in Viserys' possession for the quest's foreseeable future, but that doesn't mean forever. If he has kids, a worthy wielder will turn up who can get the most use out of her. Whether it takes a couple of generations or not is of little substance, just so long as she finds someone who she can have a good time slaying fiends and abominations against nature with.
Dark Sister is going to languish in Viserys' possession for the quest's foreseeable future, but that doesn't mean forever. If he has kids, a worthy wielder will turn up who can get the most use out of her. Whether it takes a couple of generations or not is of little substance, just so long as she finds someone who she can have a good time slaying fiends and abominations against nature with.
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I'm hoping for something earlier than Viserys' own kids, like Rhaenys, or maybe, if we successfully flip him, Aegon, but otherwise I'm in agreement.
It even works in terms of symbolism. Dark sister never was the King's blade, it's the blade of the guy or girl who swords people for the King, from the first known wielder onwards.
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F!Aegon definitely will not be getting a Targaryen sword. That would be a huge political misstep.
Crake
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Oh God Daemon would be the worst to bring back. I'm 50/50 on whether he'd wanna try to seduce Rhaella or groom Dany while plotting to murder Viserys. And potentially Maelor/Bonnifer/Malarys since they're males who could be competition.
[X] Look over the marriage and inheritance laws of the Empire
[X] Look over the marriage and inheritance laws of the Empire
Crake
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I'm mostly foreseeing Aegon taking an early retirement.
And that isn't a euphemism for a crystal bottle, I mean I legitimately expect the kid to keep our seat warm on our Beach Party Demiplane after what he's been through.
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I wouldn't be surprised, though it could go the opposite direction where he tries to make himself useful and prove he can be something beyond a Tiamat cultist.
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We'll see.
If he is a Clericzilla build it might be the most reasonable choice.
@Goldfish
Another point on inheritance laws.
Who is the recognised heir?
So far, if I understand correctly, an heir is only a child born in marriage.
People can recognise their bastards, for example Edric Storm was officially recognised as Robert's child, but that doesn't give them any legal rights to inherit.
Now, that fatherhood can be easily checked with magical means w might want to take a look at that ruling again?
Another aspect is adoption law. So far it requires the KIng's personal agreement for nobility, while other people can, as far as I can tell, adopt normally and have it count legally. Do we want to keep that as it is?
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I'm not opposed to recruiting Faegon, or even giving him Dark Sister given some trust development. Ultimately, symbolism can only carry you so far. We're a dragon liable to become a 20th level caster before our 18th birthday, who's going to bet against us?
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He has the blood of dragons and sorcerers. Both known for needing nothing but the chance to choose their own path.
If given a chance to be free and remake himself by his own will, do you think he will retreat and retire?
He might, but I give it less than half chances.
Edit: For comparison, Amy has been through worse but he's certainly not laying back on his (still small) hoard.
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Mechanics has no bearing in this. Giving any Targaryen sword to a Blackfyre is a terrible political statement. He could potential get a sword. But never the Targaryen blades.
This isn't a good line of thinking for a ruler to have. Just because we could wreck everything in Prime Material doesn't mean it isn't still a terrible idea to do whatever the hell we want. This is the same reason we followed imperial protocol in Yi Ti, the same reason we've been carefully dealing with Westeros and the Frew Cities, etc.
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There's a difference between what you're saying (politely following protocol rather than bullrushing through) and what I'm saying (our position is so strong that the optics issues aren't really a problem).
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Well, in the long term I think the symbolism of "DS is the sword of the King's champion" outweights "DS is a Targ sword".
I would be for it if and only if Aegon becomes known as one of our first and foremost champions, not just as a mechanical solution.