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Heh. I notice almost all you guys were virulently against resurrecting Daemon Targaryen. That's almost certainly for the best. He's by far my favorite Targaryen, but he'd be a lot of trouble. Cool as hell though.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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He said willingly pass, not betray.
The conditions also specifically state loyalty to the rightful King, which Viserys is by Dark Sister's own specifications for a worthy wielder. Viserys gets a pass on that, but I think generally speaking that using Aemon as an example is more to display that the person, if they should so exist, should happen to be a Targaryen, should be loyal to the Crown in no uncertain understandings (not 'common recognition by one camp or another' but actually in fact the rightful King by the laws of succession set down by the previous reigning monarch going all the way back to Aegon the First) and should be exceptionally skilled with the blade.
Viserys would be able to cut through an arbitrary number of lesser warriors with just Dark Sister and no assistance from magic, but it's true that he's not a warrior of the sword by virtue of skill, more unrefined instinct. It's the common "Boxing Lessons for Superman" issue, Viserys has reaction times, resilience and pattern/object/sensory recognition so exact and precise that he blows most warriors straight out of the water, but he doesn't do anything fancy with it, he just does the right thing almost all of the time which is more than what most people can say about their own skills.
So with all of these details, I infer that Dark Sister would allow herself to be passed down to someone who would actually get good use out of her, so long as none of her other sensibilities of who would make a good wielder are given offense, namely that she be used to protect the line of House Targaryen and that her wielder be a supporter of the head of household.
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When was the last time we actually hit someone with Dark Sister in actual combat?
I still feel like we shouldn't have taken Dark Sister for Viserys, if for no other reason than that Blackfyre is out there somewhere, and that's the sword of Targaryen kings.
I still feel like we shouldn't have taken Dark Sister for Viserys, if for no other reason than that Blackfyre is out there somewhere, and that's the sword of Targaryen kings.
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It's been used a few times in actual combat, though not often. Still prefer it with Viserys, both for the opportunity to interact with her personality occasionally, but also because the powers it would provide Rhaella and Dany were pretty bad.
... shit when did we last use DS as something other than a ritual blade?
We need to stab someone for Christmas or something.
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He's the guy that kinda wanted to one up his brother who claimed Balerion by naming his dragon Death (in this setting). He doesn't want to stay married to a Royce, who conveniently died as he was banging Laena Velaryon, who then died due to birthing his children, which in my opinion caused the Dance because the Greens dared all that clout because they got hold of Vhagar, then finally banging his niece, and then proceeded to cheat on her in the middle of a civil war, and indirectly caused the Blackfyre conspiracy because Daena named her son for him!!!
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Yeah, I don't think he'll serve another Viserys.
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Assuming we will use a progressive tax rate rather than implementing an inheritance tax, here's an updated preliminary plan with that taken into account.
Income brackets and taxation rates are as much placeholders as anything, at this point. Feel free to suggest modifications.
Going to bed now.
[] Marriage, Death, and Taxes
-[] Clarification of Inheritance:
--[] An individual's children, both those legitimately born within the bounds of a marriage contract and those illegitimately born outside of such a contract, but who were later officially recognized, are considered their legal heirs. This ruling extends to any children one may have legally adopted into their family, but who do not share significant ties of blood relation.
-[] Reincarnation Tax:
--[] Upon Reincarnation not sanctioned by the Imperium*, 10% of the value of one's estate is to be paid as a tax to the Imperium.
---[] *State-sanctioned Reincarnation includes any instance of an individual being Reincarnated after falling in service to the Imperium as part of their assigned duties.
-[] Income Tax:
--[] This tax will be applied to all legal entities (private citizens, guilds, merchant consortiums, companies, etc) operating within the Imperium which are not wholly owned and operated by the state, with annual rates determined by the income generated by each entity. Income-based tax brackets and the rates associated with them are subject to periodic adjustment in response to various economic factors, though such adjustments must be announced at least one year in advance of implementation.
---[] Income Brackets & Annual Tax Rates
----[] 100 IM or less = 0%
----[] 101 IM to 1,000 IM = 20%
----[] 1,001 IM to 1,500 IM = 22%
----[] 1,501 IM to 3,000 IM = 25%
----[] 3,001 IM to 5,000 IM = 28%
----[] 5,001 IM to 10,000 IM = 30%
----[] 10,001 IM to 20,000 IM = 33%
----[] 20,001 IM to 50,000 IM = 36%
----[] 50,001 IM to 200,000 IM = 40%
----[] 200,001 IM to 500,000 IM = 50%
----[] 500,001 IM to 5,000,000 IM = 60%
----[] 5,000,001 IM to 25,000,000 IM = 70%
----[] 25,000,001+ IM = 90%
-[] Marriage:
--[] Marriage is defined as the legal union between two or more consenting parties, each of of whom is considered an adult of their species by Imperial law.
---[] In addition to being of age, to be considered capable of giving consent one must be free of magical compulsion or possession, and of sufficient intelligence (i.e. sentience) to comprehend the basic legal obligations inherent to the marriage contract. Consent cannot be given under duress.
Income brackets and taxation rates are as much placeholders as anything, at this point. Feel free to suggest modifications.
Going to bed now.
[] Marriage, Death, and Taxes
-[] Clarification of Inheritance:
--[] An individual's children, both those legitimately born within the bounds of a marriage contract and those illegitimately born outside of such a contract, but who were later officially recognized, are considered their legal heirs. This ruling extends to any children one may have legally adopted into their family, but who do not share significant ties of blood relation.
-[] Reincarnation Tax:
--[] Upon Reincarnation not sanctioned by the Imperium*, 10% of the value of one's estate is to be paid as a tax to the Imperium.
---[] *State-sanctioned Reincarnation includes any instance of an individual being Reincarnated after falling in service to the Imperium as part of their assigned duties.
-[] Income Tax:
--[] This tax will be applied to all legal entities (private citizens, guilds, merchant consortiums, companies, etc) operating within the Imperium which are not wholly owned and operated by the state, with annual rates determined by the income generated by each entity. Income-based tax brackets and the rates associated with them are subject to periodic adjustment in response to various economic factors, though such adjustments must be announced at least one year in advance of implementation.
---[] Income Brackets & Annual Tax Rates
----[] 100 IM or less = 0%
----[] 101 IM to 1,000 IM = 20%
----[] 1,001 IM to 1,500 IM = 22%
----[] 1,501 IM to 3,000 IM = 25%
----[] 3,001 IM to 5,000 IM = 28%
----[] 5,001 IM to 10,000 IM = 30%
----[] 10,001 IM to 20,000 IM = 33%
----[] 20,001 IM to 50,000 IM = 36%
----[] 50,001 IM to 200,000 IM = 40%
----[] 200,001 IM to 500,000 IM = 50%
----[] 500,001 IM to 5,000,000 IM = 60%
----[] 5,000,001 IM to 25,000,000 IM = 70%
----[] 25,000,001+ IM = 90%
-[] Marriage:
--[] Marriage is defined as the legal union between two or more consenting parties, each of of whom is considered an adult of their species by Imperial law.
---[] In addition to being of age, to be considered capable of giving consent one must be free of magical compulsion or possession, and of sufficient intelligence (i.e. sentience) to comprehend the basic legal obligations inherent to the marriage contract. Consent cannot be given under duress.
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Daemon would have been awful. I am so glad we decided not to resurrect him. Ambition, recklessness, and stupidity with a dash of badassery. Recipe for disaster. It's like inviting a raging bull to sit at the table with the family.
I can easily see him being another Aurane Waters, with us spending action after action cleaning up after him.
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On a related note, what's the plan for Blackfyre if it's recovered? Is there one, or are we not counting our dragons before they hatch?
But Daemon wasn't the first rider of Caraxes though. That was Aemon Targaryen, third son of Jaehaerys I.
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There isn't a solid plan, no.
But the Blackfyre kid definitely isn't keeping it. That's going to be a spoil of war and returned to House Targaryen.
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Eh, I really like the Rogue Prince. He was a talented warrior and commander who inspired the loyalty of those who served under him, as seen when the Goldcloaks helped him take King's Landing. But you're absolutely right that he should not have been resurrected. I doubt he'd easily take to not being in charge. He's dead, and not worth the trouble to bring back, especially considering we'd have to go to the trouble of actually finding his corpse too.
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I like him too, historically. I'm only against resurrecting him because everything about him screams "Worst. Possible. Subordinate." He would have been a nightmare.
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Jon could always use a new sword. He can use swords because of his class right?
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And now that Caraxes has a new rider, that would be a conflict in the making as well. He wouldn't be able to be a dragon rider anymore, and jumping off of dragons dramatically was one of his main selling points.
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I'd be against giving Blackfyre away, especially to a Targaryen. Hopefully Blackfyre isn't sentient so we can keep it in our treasury except for important occasions.
Edit: How exciting, my first time being faceless'd
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Maybe, though I think Jon would be better served not wielding something so politically charged. We need to be careful about who actually takes up Blackfyre given that it's been the main emblem behind a series of rebellions and invasions.
That being said I really want all of the Targaryens to have sentient Valyrian blades, even if we need to create them. In time Lya's going to get some seriously great mythic crafting.
I have to agree. It's far too much of a symbol to allow for anything else.
I'm actually morbidly imagining him coming back now and reacting to everything.And now that Caraxes has a new rider, that would be a conflict in the making as well. He wouldn't be able to be a dragon rider anymore, and jumping off of dragons dramatically was one of his main selling points.
Blackfyre is almost definitely sentient, but that doesn't change the fact that we can just put it in our cloak if necessary.
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I think it would send a powerful message to have a Targaryen wielding the sword of kings again, even if only ceremonially. Not that we really need it, but it would still be cool.
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Fair point. I just want to deck all our family members with all the cool shit. We will arm them with a magical shotgun god dam it.
Plus passing Blackfyre from one bastard with reason to dislike us to (effectively) another feels like asking for it.
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Plus passing Blackfyre from one bastard with reason to dislike us to (effectively) another feels like asking for it.
Hmm I didn't see it like that but now I can't help but see the temptation of fate.
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It doesn't even really need Jon to want it. Just needs people willing to use that as a pretext to rebel, and convince Jon to go along with it, like what seems likely to have happened with Daemon Blackfyre.Plus passing Blackfyre from one bastard with reason to dislike us to (effectively) another feels like asking for it.
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Alright fine we will get Jon a less politically charged and probably more awesome sword.
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Once you have to bust ass to get a throne and find that no one really cares whether or not you sit on it, so long as they get to settle their grudges or see their own ambitions fulfilled, it's really hard to stay enthusiastic about trying to claim it.
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Speaking of family I wonder how Rhaenys is doing?