SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Good god no, continuously voting tofight every Lord level enemy is a damn good way to end up dead, we keep getting lucky but eventually that modus operandi will get us killed.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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Taller than Stormvermin(horns?). Festooned with expensive warpstone jewelry/Glows to magesight.
Shows signs of the Horned Rat's touch in its soul, and has a direct connection to the Horned Rat in his mind. Does not fight on the frontlines if at all possible.
This is probably a Grey Seer, or an apprentice Grey Seer.
They have to walk through a labyrinth and get the Horned Rat's personal approval to graduate training.
The spiritual leaders of the Skaven Under-Empire, these grey or white ratmen are born with tiny horns that, along with the colour of their fur, mark them as the chosen of the Horned Rat. Cloistered away from the rest of the Under-Empire, they are tutored in the Lore of the Ruin. Much of their time is spent in prayer to their horned god, seeking his favour and guidance against those that would seek to undermine him.[2a]
Though it may seem a less hazardous course, the path of the Grey Seer is as treacherous as the road followed by any Skaven in the Under-Empire; perhaps more so. Initiates are commonly killed during their apprenticeship, both by the rigours of their training, as well as by the duplicity of their peers. If the competition between Skaven in the warrens is fierce, then it is doubly so in the cloisters of the Grey Seers. The Skaven that survive their apprenticeship are perhaps the most dangerous Ratmen of all. Apprentices are required to walk the Labyrinth of the Horned Rat to be fully initiated into the Grey Seers, and should they succeeded in all of this, they prove their fitness to guide, or some would say rule the Clans to greatness.[2a]
Though it may seem a less hazardous course, the path of the Grey Seer is as treacherous as the road followed by any Skaven in the Under-Empire; perhaps more so. Initiates are commonly killed during their apprenticeship, both by the rigours of their training, as well as by the duplicity of their peers. If the competition between Skaven in the warrens is fierce, then it is doubly so in the cloisters of the Grey Seers. The Skaven that survive their apprenticeship are perhaps the most dangerous Ratmen of all. Apprentices are required to walk the Labyrinth of the Horned Rat to be fully initiated into the Grey Seers, and should they succeeded in all of this, they prove their fitness to guide, or some would say rule the Clans to greatness.[2a]
@BoneyM
QUESTION
1)Can we tell what color the Council Agent's fur is?
If there is enough light to see the symbol on its robe and note that it's golden, there should be enough light to make out its fur.
And that of his bodyguards; whether they're albino or not.
2)Does the Agent sport any horns on it's face? Is it carrying any weapons? Or a staff?
3) What color is the Sorcerer's fur?
Mathilde also gets to mislead others by doing that.
It gives the impression that shes incapable of being sneaky, instead of only that her most spectacular ops make the news while the others don't. It's like looking at Algard's Towers and thinking that's his primary MO.
Leave one alive to spread the tale?
Woah there Nelly.
We have managed to roll the skaven thus far because we had pretty good intelligence on the local clans, their society and motivations, and thus have been able to predict their most likely reactions to given circumstances and take advantage of them.
We've taken gambles, but they've been calculated gambles, with limited stakes and options for mitigation.
That does not apply here.
This person is a new factor, and we know nothing about it's motivations, capabilities, influence, or literally anything else. Attempting to manipulate it would literally be working blind, with unforseen consequences. That would be reckless.
We've had a good run.
But you got to know when to fold your cards and cash in your chips.
Kill it, vanish the body. Be content with removing one of the Council's bigtime troubleshooters.
There's good odds that this is the hidden commander of the local Eshin forces.
Remember that when we went to loot the Eshin, we went to the biggest structure and largest rooms, for the most important people in the Eshin clan
We found a room shared by the Master Assassin and Sorcerer.
Not a room for a Warlord.
My guess? The Sorcerer wants to take credit for the death of Clan Mors in this expedition to the Council of Thirteen. But if the original commander sent by the Council, or his rival for command is still alive, that doesn't work.
So the Sorcerer wants to accidentally the Grey Seer.
Which also suggests the Master Assassin is probably dead, and the Sorcerer is the most senior surviving Eshin in this battle theater.
This.
I don't know the RPG or TT. But this looks like a Grey Seer. One of the 169.
All the warpstone jewelry and the hand of the Horned Rat on its soul and mind looks like a priest/mage character.
Gives backup to my belief that this is the hidden Intrigue 25 commander that's running the local Eshin force.
Or just get the Agent to drop it's guard because the mission is over ie Clan Mors is dead.
Then Surprise Backstab.
*******
VOTE
[X] Both must die.
- [X] Let the Sorcerer's attack play out, then finish off whoever survives.
One more note is that the Eshin are going to significant lengths to confirm the death of Mors.
If we can keep them from confirming the death of Clan Mors and of Sleek Sharpwit, we can play false flag games for decades.
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- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
My belief, which I think is pretty plausible, is that the council agent is here to pick up an intel report, but given all the shit that has happened recently, the Sorcerer knows that it's an astonishingly valuable report, and so his plan is to kill the agent and deliver it to the council himself so that all the credit goes to him.
Basically, imagine our purging of the College of Necromancy. Eshin Sorcerer had, in his claws, the Proof loot item. His job is to turn that over to the Council Agent, who will then return it to the Council, who will then upgrade their threat assessment of K8P accordingly. The Sorcerer, however, knows the value of what he has, and so doesn't want someone else to get the credit for this strategically valuable information.
(This is also why I think killing them both is important, because if I'm right, that document cannot get out.)
We have OOC reason for believing it's not a Grey Seer because the table BoneyM rolled on had a separate entry for Grey Seer and for Council Agent. It might be a Grey Seer Apprentice, though -- we're not seeing with our eyes, so we have no way of knowing what color fur it has.
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Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
- Location
- Something Clever
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Nah, that's Alkhazzar. You're thinking of the creator of the Runefangs.
The light is green. Unless the Skaven are green-furred, it's not supplying accurate information.
It could have horns under its hood, and it could have an entire armoury under its robes.
It keeps shifting to whatever colour blends in best at the time.
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
Don't think it's a full Grey Seer, since that was one of the options for the Council Attaché that wasn't rolled. Maybe an Apprentice, though I'd think we'd sense more direct magic on the guy in that case (unless one of the benefits of that much Warpstone gear is to act as dazzle camouflage.)
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Nah, that's Apophas.
That is actually Apophas.
Nah, that's Alaric the mad. You're thinking of the leader of the cult of the wolf god.
Unfortunately, the only way to find that out without actually getting our hands on the letter is for Mathilde to know spoken Queekish.
"Grey Seer" and "Eshin Leader" were different roll options than what we got.
E: Eshin'd
I'm pretty sure that was the Eshin leader's room, just split between their ninja stuff and their leader stuff.
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Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Guile
Having a really great time right now
Mostly, I'm hoping he doesn't have a 24/7 video feed, romance novel time is private time
"Where's the Runelord- shit! Archmage- shit! Shit, why is everything on fire, what are these rat things everywhere! Shit!"Bok means "shit" in Turkish.
So I can't shake the feeling the elemental is constantly cursing.
I think the Master Assassin is dead.
The Sorcerer wouldn't be about to attempt something like this if he thought there was the chance he'd be detected by a near-peer.
So good odds that killing the Sorcerer decapitates the local Eshin forces.
Which leaves them rather vulnerable to the dawi moving in force into Yar. And allows Matty to go after all the others fairly comprehensively.
Backstab his boss so he can take credit for any success is my guess.
Point of order:
We ARE seeing with our eyes. We can see this:
We can see yellow just fine apparently.
-But we can make out the color of the emblem on his robes though? If you says so I guess.
-If there is a hood and we can't tell if there are horns, that suggests most of the height isn't coming from any horns, and Agent is naturally tall.
Can't be a Verminlord, since I assume Matty would notice being that close to a Greater Demon.
Thanks for answering.
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Guile
Having a really great time right now
Waiting for your turn with the controller is the worst
I'm sorry, my mind is currently full of images of a neat-freak Master Assassin and a slob Sorcerer having to cohabitate as flatmates along with their three friends from down the hall. Whatever else you said has been lost imagining the Master Assassin cleaning up some mess and the Sorcerer assuring him that he has a system, he knows where everything is, and the Assassin messed it all up.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
Wow, not even twelve hours, and we've already dissolved into thread madness. I'm amazed.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
No, it'd be the sorcerer who was seemingly a neat freak, but actually just stuffed all their trash into a secret compartment underneath their authentic tatami mats or something. The assassin has to fill out the paperwork.
13th Bee
Worker
- Location
- Tennessee, USA.
I don't think the whatever is being passed along is super-dangerous-to-K8P-intel. Like, none of the remaining skaven groups appear to know that the dwarfs have overrun Mors's holdings and have had the rest of K8P basically fall into their lap. The remaining Mors don't know because they had their communications interdicted. Skyre was rather preoccupied by getting annihilated by the angry dragon. Eshin has been all-hands-on-deck with the Mors assault.
NeonLights
Formerly Reliable_2IC
- Location
- In shambles
It's likely absorbing Chamon since it's a metal.
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
- Location
- Something Clever
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Ah, right you are. I knew Alkhazzar conquered Numas, but Apophas is a much closer fit, even if the "King" part is a bit...contentious.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
That is a good point. Winds don't just show us ambient thoughts, they can also give us indicators of material composition; that's how we know the Envoy is covered in Warp Stone, for instance. We could have just known it was gold because it's covered in the Gold wind.
- Location
- Manchester, UK
- Pronouns
- He/They
Think of it like you're looking at something on a RGB screen where the R and B channels are slightly damaged, so everything is tinted strongly green. You can still tell that two things are different colours, and even get some idea of what colours they are, but you can't tell a light grey from a light brown, they both look green.
It's not pure green light like from an LED, it's just very strongly tinted green, so everything looks greener than it should - but turning up the green on gold doesn't do as much to alter its colour as turning up the green on light grey or light brown does.
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Chamon wouldn't tell us what sort of metal it was, to the best of my knowledge.
Could be silver, it could be gromril or something more exotic.
Golden implies we can see color.
So either our Windsage has improved even further, or we are seeing visible light.
Or the GM made a typo.
Nix's Warden
Welcome to Hades
- Location
- United States
Question. Is Snitch the Deathmaster at this point in the timeline?
I think gold absorbs Chammon faster/better than other metals. It's why Gold magisters prefer it for their works.
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