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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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mastigos said:
So has the thread really thought about the implications of obligate carnivores that are fine with eating people, and probably can't eat cooked food, being taught civilization by a priestess of Esmerelda, goddess of food and cooking?
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I mean, we told them back in our first meeting that dwarves, halflings, and humans were not-food, and they went "all right."

My argument for Esmerelda was that her doctrine contains a lot of things they already have references for, like "food" and "a community" and "preserving information from the past," as opposed to other teachers/gods that have a bunch of values totally foreign to their history, like "justice" and "motherhood."
Abby Normal said:
[ ] Wilhelmina, to see how she's going when she's not a terrifying financial juggernaut.
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Did you mean to vote for this?
 
DragonParadox said:
Do we have solid enough communication ask how new We-Colonies form yet? I'm curious what the impetuous to divide would even be, but I'm almost certain that is too complex a question to ask.
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They map out back-up nests in advance and seal them off with webs. If they find multiple good candidates and they feel secure in their current home, they attempt to accumulate enough nutrients to split.

The Hunters are apparently connected with genetic diversity. Every now and then a 'lost' Hunter will wander close enough to a 'foreign' We and be drawn in, and after a few days they are sort of absorbed into the collective mind of that We. This triggers ovary development, and them mating with one of the web-weavers produces a new generation of egg-layers.

Abby Normal said:
@BoneyM would it be possible to have a Regimand choice added to the 'default' selection for social turns? For checking up on academia and/or swapping whatever mission stories aren't classified?
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He's on the list when I can think of an interesting encounter that might be had with him.
 
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mastigos said:
So has the thread really thought about the implications of obligate carnivores that are fine with eating people, and probably can't eat cooked food, being taught civilization by a priestess of Esmerelda, goddess of food and cooking?
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I'm honestly not clear on how they wouldn't be able to eat cooked food. Granted they're spiders and they suck out the liquified innards and all but as long as you leave the skin on they ought to still be able to do their thing.
 
Honestly, I think spiders will be able to handle the idea of preparing food just fine?

I mean, they need to "prepare" food before eating it by default, so if they've grasped the concept of tools - which seems likely - fire and cooking is just a tool for something they already do.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
This just coped for me.

Holy shit King-Bro just made a human a Thane.

The Dwarfs that thought him radical must now just think him just Nuts...

Actually... that's maybe not a bad thing.

A lot of rulers in history cultivated an image of eccentricity to even madness to get away with "strange" reforms. This was a common way to get a change past the church in medieval Europe.

You can get away with stuff as a "mad but benevolent" king that you can't as a "radical reformist" king.
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Not only that. Undumgi are getting recognised as an official clan.
 
BoneyM said:
The Hunters are apparently connected with genetic diversity. Every now and then a 'lost' Hunter will wander close enough to a 'foreign' We and be drawn in. This triggers ovary development, and them mating with one of the web-weavers produces a new generation of egg-layers.
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That is interesting, as it's similar to how primates avoid inbreeding by searching out new packs.
How does that affect the hivemind?
 
[X] Yes, have one social interaction be initiated by someone other than Mathilde.
[X] King Belegar, as he arranges for Clan Ironspike to rejoin their ancestral home from Karak Hirn.
[X] Prince Kazrik, as he builds on his relationship with Nuln.
[X] Gunnars, to see if you can pierce his terse nature.
[X] Francesco Caravello, proud leader of the Undumgi and possible future Thane.
[X] Investigate the aftermath of the Empire's campaigns against the Skaven in Nuln and Ubersreik.
[X] Soizic, newly elevated to military leader of the Undumgi.
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart, as the new home of the Winter Wolves takes shape.
[X] Anton, to see how his firearm factory is going.
[X] Wilhelmina, to see how she's going when she's not a terrifying financial juggernaut.
[X] Julia, See what she has gotten up to as Stirland's most experienced spy master.
[X] Check in on your fief in Stirland.
 
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I do find it hilarious just how adorable the hivemind of giant spiders turned out to be.

Like, really, that's pretty low on the list of things you would think to be adorable.

But it's true, and they need all the hugs.

mastigos said:
So has the thread really thought about the implications of obligate carnivores that are fine with eating people, and probably can't eat cooked food, being taught civilization by a priestess of Esmerelda, goddess of food and cooking?
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Honestly the We seem to logical to really be worried about. By the time they start to really become a threat they should also realise just how massive our civilisations are that trying to prey on us would be a bad idea, not to mention they could likely get far more food through less effort through trade.

Seriously, farming and trade is gonna blow their minds once the implications really start to hit home, and I would be a little more worried if they had hands but they don't so complex tool usage would be very difficult for them, as huge a benefit as they are to us we're even more so to them.

Really, the We are an almost perfectly made symbiotic species.

And they might even grow to like us, though admittedly that's more the dream and there's no evidence they would even really be capable of such yet.
 
You know, the Esmeralda/We thing keeps failing it's rolls to instill good values into the We. We might have to deal with Chaos We, or Maw We, soon, if it keeps failing. Keep in mind, giant, carnivorous spiders. Uplift may not be a good thing. They might just run off and ally with the Skaven or the Goblins. Or become a Second Under Empire kind of Threat. Lesser than a united Skaven, but perfectly willing to prey on surface creatures.
 
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BoneyM said:
and where they'd normally devote excess production to an ever-growing maze of defensive silk they're instead leaving it by the defensive walls for the Dwarves to bring up with them as their shifts end.
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Cute.

BoneyM said:
or something in their hunting instructions misfiring and them wandering off deeper into the tunnels, unable to find their way back.
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Does this happen often? Does this have a tendency to happen in a particular area?

Is someone kidnapping our spiders???
 
Candesce said:
Honestly, I think spiders will be able to handle the idea of preparing food just fine?

I mean, they need to "prepare" food before eating it by default, so if they've grasped the concept of tools - which seems likely - fire and cooking is just a tool for something they already do.
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Will it be tasty to them though? How does taste works for a hivemind anyway?

[X] Max, during the few breaks in the silence as the two of you worked on Queekish in the Room of Serenity.

Give Max headpats. He certainly earned them working ror Mathilde.
 
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Asheram said:
That is interesting, as it's similar to how primates avoid inbreeding by searching out new packs.
How does that affect the hivemind?
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It doesn't. Hunters are sort of pre-programmed with what the We knows about the area and where food is likely to be, and any new information they find is processed and added to what they know if they return. None of that carries over in the process of absorbing a 'lost' Hunter. The only communication between We is done between web-weaver messengers going back and forth, or when they're close enough for however they communicate to overlap.

Walliseatscheese said:
Does this happen often? Does this have a tendency to happen in a particular area?

Is someone kidnapping our spiders???
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The We seem to accept it as a fact of life. It's probably hardwired in as part of their reproduction.
 
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BoneyM said:
They map out back-up nests in advance and seal them off with webs. If they find multiple good candidates and they feel secure in their current home, they attempt to accumulate enough nutrients to split.

The Hunters are apparently connected with genetic diversity. Every now and then a 'lost' Hunter will wander close enough to a 'foreign' We and be drawn in, and after a few days they are sort of absorbed into the collective mind of that We. This triggers ovary development, and them mating with one of the web-weavers produces a new generation of egg-layers.
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Very interesting, thanks. This leads to some interesting thought avenues on how the process might shift with the far greater food availability from trade.
 
Speaking of halfling gods, inviting a priest of Hyacinth to be involved with the mused about fertility project probably couldn't hurt.
 
[X] King Belegar, as he arranges for Clan Ironspike to rejoin their ancestral home from Karak Hirn.
[X] Anton, to see how his firearm factory is going.
[X] Kragg, who's begun to be seen around the Karak once more, indicating he might be finishing his study of the rune-axe you and Johann found.
[X] Check in on your fief in Stirland.
[X] Max, during the few breaks in the silence as the two of you worked on Queekish in the Room of Serenity.
[X] Yes, have one social interaction be initiated by someone other than Mathilde.
 
mastigos said:
Speaking of halfling gods, inviting a priest of Hyacinth to be involved with the mused about fertility project probably couldn't hurt.
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Well, it might be helpful to know if divine magic and arcane magic are too similar. If we can't affect Dwarves with arcane magic for an extended period without harming them, Divine magic could potentially be just as bad.
 
[X] King Belegar, as he arranges for Clan Ironspike to rejoin their ancestral home from Karak Hirn.
[X] Anton, to see how his firearm factory is going. LM
[X] Investigate the aftermath of the Empire's campaigns against the Skaven in Nuln and Ubersreik.
[X] Kragg, who's begun to be seen around the Karak once more, indicating he might be finishing his study of the rune-axe you and Johann found.

[X] Elder Hluodwica, as the Halflings prepare for their first proper harvest festival in this new home.
Panoramia's sweet adventure.

And bonus:
[X] The Amber College, to see how your donation of Lustrian eggs is going.
Because I want to see the Magister's face when he finds out that the magical frogs followed him home (even if I think that the priests look more like fat iguanas)

[X] Yes, have one social interaction be initiated by someone other than Mathilde.
 
Dracikral said:
The spell in question

deals with manipulating a copy of us out of the mist. Seeing as this is a possible spell and innately ties into her Warrior of Fog trait (seeing as its directly using fog to manipulate people) I was thinking this would be a pretty neat avenue to research into. If controlling fog/mist/smoke or creating constructs out of it is feasible I imagine Mathilde would just manipulate the smoke/fog/mist following her into various shapes. Maybe a shadowy cat trailing behind her :V
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On a side note I've been thinking about the name, and an alternative would be:

Mathilde's Distracting Ethereal Copy Of Yourself
 
LockedMind said:
A different tangent: while there are no doubts more prolific authors in the Colleges, I doubt that there are many who wrote so much tactically-relevant papers in such a short time. So while we only contribute a small portion of total papers written by wizards, we contribute much greater portion of papers read by the generals (even if we take into account engineering and other non-magical papers).
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Mathildas Martial Manuscript (a concise and accurate representation of the explotable strategic and tactical weaknesses and of the enemies of humanity) Pistolleers Edition.
 
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