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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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noliar said:
The line of "Some Imperial factions already know it but the %&$@ers won't share" is pretty good for that. Along with "Mathilde want's to know it just for her own advantage." and "If you don't help, some other prisoner will get the luxuries."

I've never gotten the impression that Queekish is something the Skaven are particularly guarded about. Stupid humans and stunties don't know how to talk properly because they're stupid, yes yes. This guy knows for a fact that the Dawi Zharr have taken live captives before - the cat's possibly out of the bag with one enemy anyway.

Finally, the defensive priority is ass backwards anyway. Written Queekish will spread quicker beyond K8P because it's easier to write books on. Spoken must be taught person to person so the main victims will be our immediate enemies - i.e. Mors. Important prisoners taken anywhere are more likely to know an order tongue and/or to be carrying documents than scrubs are - that's where racial level harm comes in. We want to get spoken more urgently than written because local security comes first and we have a steady supply of low level captures.

Unfortunately the last paragraph is true so the deceiver won't help convince him (not that we'd want him to clam up on the written side either.)
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Actively teaching the entire language is a more obvious help to someone that is stilll the enemy than translating Clan Mors correspondence or a book on anatomy. That's why the option isn't on the list yet, because the way to flip someone is baby steps, not leaping straight to making them your sensei.
 
[X] Plan: SuperSonicSound
-[X] MAX: Bring him into the classified study on Warptech and have him assist Johann with the Ratling Gun. (NEW)
-[X] JOHANN: Join him on raids into Clan Mors territory with the aim of finding written correspondence. (NEW)
-[X] DUCK: Johann's investigation into the ratling gun has hit a wall. See if you can help.

-[X] Start hiring handlers who can then start hiring informers and begin to collect non-public information.

-[X] Blue Tower: build a tower that uses Azyr to create clear sky on demand.
-[X] Seek to build a stronger rapport with the Skaven, and see about supplying sources of mental stimulation that your company isn't the only thing keeping him sane.
-[X] Supply a steady stream of Queekish documents for him to translate, and carefully check the results for consistency.

-[X] Convince Qrech that the Empire has already translated Queekish, but his help could provide a faster turnaround and better help you plan an attack on Clan Mors.
-[X] Convince Qrech you're ambitious and loyal only to yourself, and you're willing to repay his cooperation in ways that will benefit the Under-Empire.

-[X] Travel to the Grey College and attend lessons there. (1 College Favour per class; 100gc can be paid instead for non-magical classes)
-[X] Spend 10 favour to ensure we have teaching available for all our missing non-battle magic spells.

-[X] The Deceiver: specify how this will be used.
-[X] Use on Skaven Gambits.

-[X] Write a paper: select which.
- [X] Your personal understanding of countering Waaagh Magic. (FADING)

-[X] Add security measures to your Penthouse to prevent surreptitious entry. (NEW)
 
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veekie said:
Well, the difference is that THIS Skaven had vanished off the map. Nobody is going to silence him, they think he's dead.

If Mors dudes start getting yoinked we might well be stalked by Eshin.
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We venom is paralytic. The slaves and clanrats they bring back are mostly alive and, with a little help from Panoramia, able to talk. Putting off getting digested alive by a giant spider is a great motivator.

Also, Eshin aren't defending Mors and if they know what's going on beyond the We we've got bigger problems.
 
[X] Plan Translation Extraction (Ultimate Tower Edition), 10 Pull Gacha Edition
 
BoneyM said:
Actively teaching the entire language is a more obvious help to someone that is stilll the enemy than translating Clan Mors correspondence or a book on anatomy. That's why the option isn't on the list yet, because the way to flip someone is baby steps, not leaping straight to making them your sensei.
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One common interrogation/subversion technique is to slippery slope them yeah.
Make them step right up to the line, let them cross it without knowing, let them realize it, realize that they're fucked/nothing bad happened, and keep going...

Not a lot of ways to get out of it while under duress.
 
pucflek said:
Tag them tho. They might not know.
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If either @veekie or @Redshirt Army decides to consolidate on the other, the next step is tagging everyone who voted for the one and telling them to switch. But right now we've got some people voting for veekie's plan and some voting for Redshirt's plan and some voting for both and the situation is only going to get worse the longer it goes on.

EDIT: @lavanderjasmine, @Neshuakadal, @Quest, @Pipeman, @LotusPocus, Redshirt has withdrawn his plan in favor of veekie's identical plan with a different name, so you should amend your vote accordingly.
 
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I think we should go for the last necrarch paper; rather than the Waagh one... that is much harder to refresh
 
noliar said:
We venom is paralytic. The slaves and clanrats they bring back are mostly alive and, with a little help from Panoramia, able to talk. Putting off getting digested alive by a giant spider is a great motivator.

Also, Eshin aren't defending Mors and if they know what's going on beyond the We we've got bigger problems.
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Sure, but because we don't have Underway connection to the Citadel where these captures are happening, all the transporting is going to happen in plain sight and smell. They'd check out why we're carrying Skaven around just out of professional curiosity if nothing else.
 
pucflek said:
Tag them tho. They might not know.
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Redshirt Army is knowingly rebranding Veekie's product and selling it to us. I have proof.
Redshirt Army said:
@veekie This is identical to one of your current listed plans, so really I'm just giving it a shorter and snappier title. :V
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EDIT: Damn you, redshirt! I will get you next time, you criminal! *shakes fist*
Redshirt Army said:
Yeah, veekie was first. I'll cede.

[X] Plan Translation Extraction (Ultimate Tower Edition), 10 Pull Gacha Edition
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[X] Plan Translation Extraction (Ultimate Tower Edition), 10 Pull Gacha Edition
[X] Plan: Queekish Reading v2
[X] Plan: SuperSonicSound

Glau said:
(Though the whole time, they chattered of how much I resembles a maid from the book one was reading. Such was my confusion that it was shortly pressed upon me, to be read and traded later for another. I confess that I may well keep this "Arturia and Lancelot" in the end. I knew of many whose stories start as mine did, a hairless chin in armor, but to find that such was almost a genre unto itself?)
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Hold up. Soizic is a Saberface?

Always Late said:
13,000,000,000,000,000,000
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FTFY

Alratan said:
That's why I think we need Asarnil to make a good go of this.
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Nah, nah, clearly we need Deathfang for this. With his age, experience, and deeds, who but Asarnil knows what kind of draconic seductive prowess he possesses?
 
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IronFist said:
I think we should go for the last necrarch paper; rather than the Waagh one... that is much harder to refresh
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So the thing is, we can write it next turn with exactly the same lack of penalty that we have now.
BoneyM said:
Note: Fresh and Refreshed papers confer a +10 bonus; faded ones a -10 malus.
Papers get one step less 'fresh' each turn: Fresh; Fading; Mostly Faded: Faded. Only the first and last have an effect on the diceroll.

Waaagh energy and magic witnessed during the Expedition. (FADING)
Your personal understanding of countering Waaagh Magic. (FADING)
The ability of Alkharad to assume a projected form of mist. (FADING)
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The difference is that the Waaagh counter paper has tactical implications against enemies that Imperial wizards face fairly commonly, and so by publishing it now we gain six months of helping every wizard who reads our paper and then fights a greenskin. I am all in favor of writing the mist paper next turn, before it fades completely and we'd need another Necrarch to refresh it.

By the way, @BoneyM... it occurs to me that "writing papers is hell" may no longer apply, since we lost the penalty from Practical.
 
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