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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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BoneyM said:
The spell is, well, spelled out in the scroll. If there was additional information that could help, it'd be in the scroll. You use it to get in the right general area then you search for how your own relationship with your Wind can be used to have the same effect, and at that point being steeped in your Wind might help but more books wouldn't.
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Off the top of my head spell-learning is the only one that books don't apply for.
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Thanks, that makes a lot of sense.

@picklepikkl, given this information I stand by my current library vote as while it may not apply to finishing the rest of our spell list I still want to engage in original spell design and general ulgu-specific experimentation, such as with our shadow/arcane mark. Also, I believe that Mathilde should have as comprehensive a library of her own Wind of Magic as possible on general principles of flavor. I will edit the vote to make it clear to future voters exactly what to expect, though. Thanks for starting this line of questioning as it's been informative.
 
I'm still waiting for the collage to assign us an apprentice. Be funny to see Mathilde's reaction when a terrified teen in gray robes shows up at our tower with hat in hand and a letter from the collage saying She's your responsibility now, Try not to kill her.
 
@BoneyM I was wondering, why did Hubert chose to spend the rest of six months healing instead of knocking on our door, since he is a named charachter that knows we have a healing item ?
 
REAPER35 said:
I'm still waiting for the collage to assign us an apprentice. Be funny to see Mathilde's reaction when a terrified teen in gray robes shows up at our tower with hat in hand and a letter from the collage saying She's your responsibility now, Try not to kill her.
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While fun, it's unlikely to happen. We have been told that, unlike some other colleges, teaching apprentices is entirely voluntary for greys and we do not get one unless we ask.
 
DarkLight140 said:
@picklepikkl, given this information I stand by my current library vote as while it may not apply to finishing the rest of our spell list I still want to engage in original spell design and general ulgu experimentation, such as with our shadow/arcane mark. Also, I believe that Mathilde should have as comprehensive a library of her own Wind of Magic as possible on general principles of flavor. I will edit the vote to make it clear to future voters exactly what to expect, though. Thanks for starting this line of questioning as it's been informative.
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I wanted to know because I thought your point about spending College Favour to maximize our chance at Invisibility was a good idea and I was considering making an offshoot plan of my own for it, but then I went "wait, how do I know that that actually helps?" and went to the man himself. Since I got an answer that ran counter to your beliefs, I figured tagging you was only polite.

I also very much want to engage in those things, but I don't want to do that next turn. Wanting to pick them up now is valid, though, and I appreciate that you are editing your OP to be clear about what the bonus does or does not help.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
.... fine, I'll leave it.

@BoneyM how do the ducklings outside of Pan, who works for the Halflings, make ends meet.

I assumed that if we got the letter for them to come to the K8Ps that the King put us in charge of them.

and I assumed that meant that the King put us in charge of them.

and I assumed that meant that we get a stipend to pay them for the work they will be doing in his hold, because part of being in charge of someone is being in charge of paying them.

but apparently that makes me stupid.

edit: ninja'd... sigh, still thing that was the most a sensible arrangement, I made sure my intern's got paid... grumble grumble....
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In an era where everything is done by personal contact, if you move to a new area it is very desirable to have a letter of introduction from someone who can vouch for you to the highest status person who will give your letter writer credence. That's not a job request, it's just making sure you're squared away with the powers that be and establishes your own status. It will often get you some hospitality and it might get you work but mostly it's about avoiding trouble. This is especially useful if you are a scary weirdness magnet like a wizard.

We have authority over them because keeping track of the doings of scary weirdness magnets like them is the job of the Court Wizard. Since they're college journeymen in good standing we assert our authority with tea, cakes and the occasional free lesson.
 
REAPER35 said:
I'm still waiting for the collage to assign us an apprentice. Be funny to see Mathilde's reaction when a terrified teen in gray robes shows up at our tower with hat in hand and a letter from the collage saying She's your responsibility now, Try not to kill her.
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While this would be highly amusing, training apprentices is never mandatory except for "all Magisters have an obligation to provide minimum standards of instruction to any discovered talents until they can be safely dropped off at the Colleges". A lot of Magisters do absurdly dangerous things with their lives and dragging around a trainee would be a quick way to get their trainees killed. Plus, a teacher who doesn't want to teach is likely to provide shoddy instruction and the Colleges themselves are a much safer teaching environment than anywhere else.

When we discussed this much earlier in the thread it was made clear that most apprentices are taught in either large classes or via tutelage from someone who actually likes teaching apprentices, and those who like teaching apprentices tend to take new ones after each graduates, ultimately providing personalized instruction to quite a few mages over the course of their lives. These strategies allow for the bulk of the College's population to never teach anyone, should they not desire it.

We'll only get an apprentice if we ask for one, or discover someone with magic and deliberately choose not to pass them on.
 
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DarkLight140 said:
While this would be highly amusing, training apprentices is never mandatory except in the "all Magisters have an obligation to provide minimum standards of instruction to any discovered talents until they can be safely dropped off at the Colleges". A lot of Magisters do absurdly dangerous things with their lives and dragging around a trainee would be a quick way to get their trainees killed. Plus, a teacher who doesn't want to teach is likely to provide shoddy instruction and the Colleges themselves are a much safer teaching environment than anywhere else.

When we discussed this much earlier in the thread it was made clear that most apprentices are taught in either large classes or via tutelage from someone who actually likes teaching apprentices, and those who like teaching apprentices tend to take new ones after each graduates, ultimately providing personalized instruction to quite a few mages over the course of their lives. These strategies allow for the bulk of the College's population to never teach anyone, should they not desire it.

We'll only get an apprentice if we ask for one, or discover someone with magic and deliberately choose not to pass them on.
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Due to me being a pedsnt, here is an exact quote.

BoneyM said:
If you requested it, within the year. Otherwise, never. For some Orders Apprentices are expected, but the Grey Order is very much an 'everyone serves in their own way' kind of Order.
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While the situation in our college is exactly as you described, it is not true for at least some colleges, and for them "apprentices are expected".
 
DarkLight140 said:
While this would be highly amusing, training apprentices is never mandatory except in the "all Magisters have an obligation to provide minimum standards of instruction to any discovered talents until they can be safely dropped off at the Colleges". A lot of Magisters do absurdly dangerous things with their lives and dragging around a trainee would be a quick way to get their trainees killed. Plus, a teacher who doesn't want to teach is likely to provide shoddy instruction and the Colleges themselves are a much safer teaching environment than anywhere else.

When we discussed this much earlier in the thread it was made clear that most apprentices are taught in either large classes or via tutelage from someone who actually likes teaching apprentices, and those who like teaching apprentices tend to take new ones after each graduates, ultimately providing personalized instruction to quite a few mages over the course of their lives. These strategies allow for the bulk of the College's population to never teach anyone, should they not desire it.

We'll only get an apprentice if we ask for one, or discover someone with magic and deliberately choose not to pass them on.
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Can't remember where it's from, but I think any magister can be saddled with an apprentice. it's just that the Collages aren't stupid enough to give certain magister's apprentices. as for education, initial education is preformed in large classes pre-magister assignment. then they are assigned a magister, witch may or may not be in residence at the collage. if they travel or are based outside of it the magister is solely responsible for their education. and then they become a journeyman at some point.

but again i can't remember where I read that and it might have come from another quest or fan fic. for some reason it stuck in my head as canon though. things get jumbled after a while.
 
REAPER35 said:
Can't remember where it's from, but I think any magister can be saddled with an apprentice. it's just that the Collages aren't stupid enough to give certain magister's apprentices. as for education, initial education is preformed in large classes pre-magister assignment. then they are assigned a magister, witch may or may not be in residence at the collage. if they travel or are based outside of it the magister is solely responsible for their education. and then they become a journeyman at some point.

but again i can't remember where I read that and it might have come from another quest or fan fic. for some reason it stuck in my head as canon though. things get jumbled after a while.
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I'm pretty sure a lot of that is from Realms of Sorcery, but for this quest the policies outlined there are taken as generalities which may or may not be true for any given College, since each College does things in their own way. For the Grey "you can be assigned an apprentice" is followed by "but you never will be unless you ask", and the "initial education" provided to apprentices continues right up until they get told to head out and Journey if they don't catch a specific Magister's eye for personal instruction and get removed from the general class.
 
[X] [TOWER] Ongoing

[X] [LIBRARY] Plan: Finding the Mines
-[X] Skaven: Dwarven Esoteric
-[X] Karaz Ankor: Imperial Esoteric, Bretonnian Extensive

[X] [DWARF] No purchase.

[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.

[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
 
Zaratustra said:
@BoneyM I was wondering, why did Hubert chose to spend the rest of six months healing instead of knocking on our door, since he is a named charachter that knows we have a healing item ?
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Machismo, and a complicated relationship with magic in general.

SuperSonicSound said:
@BoneyM

What's the action to get the EIC to expand to marienburg so we can get book access?
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You can go there yourself and set up the contacts, but the decision was made to give up that level of control over the EIC. That said, expect it to be not terribly far in the future as the EIC suddenly has a very keen interest in river trade.
 
Things to do before getting an apprentice, roughly in order:
  • Learn every non-Battle Magic spell
  • Get a wide variety of Intrigue skills up to Advanced
  • Create a unique sword style for our abilities
  • Intern in Nagarythe
  • Complete a few more Great Deeds
  • Become a Lord Magister
  • Finish the Reclamation of Karak Eight Peaks
  • Exhaust the potential of all of our current major research topics i.e. Snek Juice, Theurgy, Ulgu Tongs(?)
And then just pick up a strange orphan who just discovered their powers, probably guided by Ranald to someone who can get on the level. Just a weird but kind teacher to them, acting wise and mysterious until they catch on and realise we're a huge dork. Travel with them for a little while wandering the world and fixing problems, Dunk and Egg style.

Then, take him back to the college and laugh at the mindfuck as they realise their silly master is actually a legendary hero of the Empire.

Can you imagine to look on the little brat's face when they find out?

That's what dreams are made of.
 
Even if we found a talented kid here and wanted to take them as apprentice, we'd start by sending them to Altdorf because apprentices need to stay resident in the college until they have sufficient control of their magic.
 
picklepikkl said:
That would be gneiss, since I don't want him to take "getting to not talc about what he's been doing" for granite. It's our role to look cool and mysterious, so his actions are eroding our mystique, leaving the other wizards jaded, and reducing our ability to petrify them in the future.

Oh well. Eventually these ones will leave, new wizards will arrive, and we can start with a clean slate.
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Kornet said:
You've got a lot of stones to make puns like that.
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I like the sediment, but this land is far too metamorphic to allow for such beautiful minerals to solidify. Igneous thinking, though I cannot granite the others won't be chalk full of hate or groans.

Kornet said:
pedsnt
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Pedant. /Pedantically
 
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noliar said:
Even if we found a talented kid here and wanted to take them as apprentice, we'd start by sending them to Altdorf because apprentices need to stay resident in the college until they have sufficient control of their magic.
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With Ulgu tower coming online, we don't necessary have to.

Mind you, it's still a great idea, but not as mandatory as it was.
 
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