Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

Awetduck · Nov 7, 2019

chocolote12 said:
There are several points where I was going to object on account of this being dumb, until I remembered the seed. We die? The seed. They die? The seed. Any crippling injuries? The seed.

I just don't think we're allowed to prohibit slayer oaths like that.

Enough to come back in time to kill us?

The seed.

undead frog · Nov 7, 2019

Guys.... lets a spell that summon a swarm of black spectral Cats to maul the enemy! That spell with the golden hounds exists and is battle magic level despite no being amber and cats are both sneaky naturally and associated with shadows in the case of black cats.

Or would it be better as a Ranald type spell given their associations with bad luck?

B_omega · Nov 7, 2019

noliar said:
Who says the Dwarves aren't? That said the fresh stuff is also needed as fertilizer since greenskin and Skaven materials both have contamination issues and old gong will include them.

Waste management is a key part of Karak stewardship but it comes under Edda rather than Mathilde.

There would be many Orc corpses after Karagil but few live captures which means a glut of food for the We but none that can be kept as reserve. How much can they consume and how much of that do they turn into new individuals who will need to eat in the future? Is anyone gong farming for the We?

How are the weapons, armour and tools of the Skaven and Grobi being recycled?

All interesting questions but below a rather crusty abstraction layer.

It is by far a very smelly topic.

Mm
Lets assume that dwarven waste management is efficient enough that any Niter produce from it is given.
So far, the Dwarves are not.. shall we say, produce enough, for it to be noticeable. Hence our source of niter from Stirland is enough to make an impact.

Sooo, right now we got human, halflings and the waste of ancient dwarves, goblins and orcs and skaven. Im assuming that besides the dwarves nobody filter their sh!t.

It is still a very large deposit (or should we saw.. deposhit) of it.

And at a few crown per (small) barrel i would think before we can profit from the silk and the tax we certainly can profit from the large pile of shit by selling it to barak varr.

DarkLight140 · Nov 7, 2019

picklepikkl said:
@BoneyM Mechanics question, if you're still up: do our books on Ulgu provide a bonus to learning spells at home that stacks with our Learning/Tower of Dusk and Dawn?

BoneyM said:
No.

...huh. That's quite unexpected as the tower bonus is a matter of wind density while the books are a skill/knowledge aid, but if that's so...

@BoneyM, are there any commonly expected tasks where the Dusk and Dawn tower bonus and ulgu book bonus would stack, or where the books would count but the tower would not? Have books been entirely obsoleted by the construction of that tower?

Almost everything where I had expected the book bonus to apply is something where the tower bonus would, and if they don't stack there seems no point in buying books on our Wind ever. We'd have to get the full book bonus from four culture groups to match the tower which is functionally impossible since most cultures don't even have a tradition of using the Grey Wind.

REAPER35 · Nov 7, 2019

Kornet said:
My position is perfectly summed by this WOG.

And I edited in my concession of the point. WoG settled the matter between me starting to respond and me actually posting.

Alliterate · Nov 7, 2019

DarkLight140 said:
...huh. That's quite unexpected as the tower bonus is a matter of wind density while the books are a skill/knowledge aid, but if that's so...

@BoneyM, are there any commonly expected tasks where the Dusk and Dawn tower bonus and ulgu book bonus would stack, or where the books would count but the tower would not? Have books been entirely obsoleted by the construction of that tower?

Almost everything where I had expected the book bonus to apply is something where the tower bonus would, and if they don't stack there seems no point in buying books on our Wind ever. We'd have to get the full book bonus from five culture groups to match the tower which is functionally impossible since most cultures don't even have a tradition of using the Grey Wind.

And I'd count that as a kindness from Boney, frankly.

Walliseatscheese · Nov 7, 2019

BoneyM said:
"And might answer some questions about Skaven logistics."

Should this be edited as well?

GreenTamm · Nov 7, 2019

Jyn Ryvia said:
we do need to sit down with Hubert next social turn and have a talk.

there is a difference between not being good at magic, magic not being your main focus, and trying to avoid learning magic because you wanted to be a knight instead.

you are being paid to be a wizard in K8P while you learn magic, pay off your student loans and get ready for your exam. if you want to play knight do it on someone else's coin and time. preferably after your exam, what you do then is your prerogative.

I want to be nice, but he doesn't need nice, he needs a kick up the ass.

I agree. He fails at being a wizard AND at being a warrior.
If he could leverage his precognition into being a beast of a duelist it would be forgivable, but what he is doing right now is just a waste of time and effort

deathofrats0808 · Nov 7, 2019

Walliseatscheese said:
Should this be edited as well?

I think the ooze is well-known. It's the warpstone experiments that are secret because a) it's not something most people will accept and b) Mathilde doesn't want ducklings getting ideas.

ichypa · Nov 7, 2019

[X] [TOWER] Ongoing
[X] [LIBRARY] Plan: Finding the Mines
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.

undead frog · Nov 7, 2019

Huh might want to give that Celestia some help... even if he of second worst wing to Math.

picklepikkl · Nov 7, 2019

Jyn Ryvia said:
edit: ninja'd... sigh, still thing that was the most a sensible arrangement, I made sure my intern's got paid... grumble grumble....

They aren't our interns, though.

Think of us as... say, the ambassador of the College of Imperial Magic. As the ambassador, we are technically responsible for all our friendly nationals: if one of them behaves badly, it reflects badly on us, if the King wants one of them for a task he'll probably put us in charge of arranging that, if they have issues during their stay, they can "visit the consulate" (knock on our door) and reasonably expect us to help them, and we regularly have a little get-together so we can connect with other people from our "native country". But they chose to be here of their own volition, they can leave at any time, and how they support themselves is their business.

This isn't a perfect analogy, but it's close enough, I think.

Walliseatscheese · Nov 7, 2019

deathofrats0808 said:
I think the ooze is well-known. It's the warpstone experiments that are secret because a) it's not something most people will accept and b) Mathilde doesn't want ducklings getting ideas.

The word Skaven is used.

Rotekian · Nov 7, 2019

[X] [TOWER] Ongoing
[X] [LIBRARY] Plan no favour mines

deathofrats0808 · Nov 7, 2019

Walliseatscheese said:
The word Skaven is used.

All the ducklings know about the skaven. Everyone except Hubert did before they got here and Mathilde took them down into the tunnels and made them fight a bunch of skaven. The conspiracy of silence is basically not enforced for the wizards at K8P because it would be stupid.

Boney · Nov 7, 2019

Neshuakadal said:
@BoneyM

Would it be possible to use the IFF function in burning shadows and the magical signatures we know exist from the tower project to create a spell that pings off of certain enemy types?

Something like a radar spell that sends out a pulse of ulgu is a circle around 20m that informs the caster of the general direction of a targeted enemy type.

Not from Burning Shadows, information only flows one way.

Jyn Ryvia said:
.... fine, I'll leave it.

@BoneyM how do the ducklings outside of Pan, who works for the Halflings, make ends meet.

I assumed that if we got the letter for them to come to the K8Ps that the King put us in charge of them.

and I assumed that meant that the King put us in charge of them.

and I assumed that meant that we get a stipend to pay them for the work they will be doing in his hold, because part of being in charge of someone is being in charge of paying them.

but apparently that makes me stupid.

Collegiate authority does not derive from payment, it derives from laws that say wizards are only allowed to legally exist under the authority of the Colleges.

You are in charge of them in the sense that you should keep them from causing disasters and if they have a problem they should come to you, not in charge of them in the way you are in charge of Max and Johann.

noliar said:
Do you mean Border Prince mercenary?

Those too, but there's a steady trickle of the Barak Varr mercenaries that usually guard trade caravans seeking something short-term but high-pay.

DarkLight140 said:
...huh. That's quite unexpected as the tower bonus is a matter of wind density while the books are a skill/knowledge aid, but if that's so...

The spell is, well, spelled out in the scroll. If there was additional information that could help, it'd be in the scroll. You use it to get in the right general area then you search for how your own relationship with your Wind can be used to have the same effect, and at that point being steeped in your Wind might help but more books wouldn't.

DarkLight140 said:
@BoneyM, are there any commonly expected tasks where the Dusk and Dawn tower bonus and ulgu book bonus would stack, or where the books would count but the tower would not? Have books been entirely obsoleted by the construction of that tower?

Off the top of my head spell-learning is the only one that books don't apply for.

Walliseatscheese said:
Should this be edited as well?

Not really, the classified part is warpstone.

Angelazreal1 · Nov 7, 2019

BoneyM said:
He seems to be considering it. "My great-great grandfather killed a troll," he says finally. "I used to play with its club when I was young. I wanted to see if I could do the same."

BoneyM said:
"I've been working on getting my Flaming Sword cast time down. Shaved about a second and a half off."

Have we fought them? We should fight them. For...educational purposes. Definitely not to show off.

BoneyM said:
Any other use of your times, when you haven't been threatening to revolutionize agriculture?"

"Apart from punching?"

"Yes." Johann shrugs, so you turn your gaze to Panoramia.

Thats it? We got you the best damn punching teacher under this mountain mister! I expect more details and headpats out of you. Ungrateful wizards.

TempestK · Nov 7, 2019

Walliseatscheese said:
Should this be edited as well?

No, they're all read in to the Conspiracy of Silence

Boney · Nov 7, 2019

Angelazreal1 said:
Thats it? We got you the best damn punching teacher under this mountain mister! I expect more details and headpats out of you. Ungrateful wizards.

Due to turn structure it's often a bit unclear, but this still is the same turn you got him that teacher. He could tell you about the various rocks he's turned into multiple smaller rocks, but that's about it so far.

NukeDaSun · Nov 7, 2019

[X] [TOWER] Ongoing
[X] [LIBRARY] Plan: Finding the Mines
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.

Glau · Nov 7, 2019

BoneyM said:
Due to turn structure it's often a bit unclear, but this still is the same turn you got him that teacher. He could tell you about the various rocks he's turned into multiple smaller rocks, but that's about it so far.

Is "like a DWARF!" a thing in this thread yet? Because "like a DWARF!" should be a thing.

me.me.here · Nov 7, 2019

Walliseatscheese said:
The word Skaven is used.

The ducklings were read in on Skaven earlier, I think when we took them out for babby's first taste of battle either during the expedition or when we attacked the citadel.

picklepikkl · Nov 7, 2019

BoneyM said:
He could tell you about the various rocks he's turned into multiple smaller rocks

That would be gneiss, since I don't want him to take "getting to not talc about what he's been doing" for granite. It's our role to look cool and mysterious, so his actions are eroding our mystique, leaving the other wizards jaded, and reducing our ability to petrify them in the future.

Oh well. Eventually these ones will leave, new wizards will arrive, and we can start with a clean slate.

Walliseatscheese · Nov 7, 2019

me.me.here said:
The ducklings were read in on Skaven earlier, I think when we took them out for babby's first taste of battle either during the expedition or when we attacked the citadel.

I was under the impression that directly addressing Skaven, even amongst those read in, was discouraged, like referring to Ranald as our mutual friend.

I was mistaken.

Kornet · Nov 7, 2019

picklepikkl said:
That would be gneiss, since I don't want him to take "getting to not talc about what he's been doing" for granite. It's our role to look cool and mysterious, so his actions are eroding our mystique, leaving the other wizards jaded, and reducing our ability to petrify them in the future.

Oh well. Eventually these ones will leave, new wizards will arrive, and we can start with a clean slate.

You've got a lot of stones to make puns like that.

Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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