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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
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DarkLight140
Credit to Team
- Location
- Lost in my thoughts
Mathilde was desparate for money because she was a peasant. Two of the three ducklings are noble and burgher- which is to say, they're supported by families who probably paid off their college debts already and even if they haven't, certainly are at least giving them food money. Noble magisters' families often send them a budget to fund their globetrotting adventures and forays into magical research.
The only one who has no open financial backing is Gretel, which is probably another reason Mathilde likes her. And she's a sneaky git who is now rolling in filthy elfgold.
Aside from this, "have to be paid" and "have to work for Belegar" have nothing to do with one another. Panoramia isn't working for Belegar, for example; she's on contract with the halflings. Hubert could sign on with the Undumgi and draw whatever they consider reasonable for a journeyman Celestial, or just live off his family's allowance while he hunts trolls.
I may be wrong about the conversation, but it's still the most basic common sense answer that they are getting money from the King in some way (through us, the army budget or directly from him.)
.... I am actually annoyed by this... its the kind of deductive reasoning that shouldn't need to be explained and should be just 'ya, du!'.
people get paid to do work= the king pays them to work for him.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] [LIBRARY] Plan no favour mines
[X] [TOWER] Ongoing
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
[X] [LIBRARY] Plan Budget Spending
Hell yeah, we have an entire Library budget, we no longer have an excuse to blow several fortunes on occasional small roll bonuses.
Tower is now a Symbol, so we should definitely spend more actions on making it even better and harder to subvert. This needs to last for a very long time and secure K8P forever. Increased power means increased importance of it not getting fucked up. No Death Star situation for us.
[X] [TOWER] Ongoing
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
[X] [LIBRARY] Plan Budget Spending
Hell yeah, we have an entire Library budget, we no longer have an excuse to blow several fortunes on occasional small roll bonuses.
Tower is now a Symbol, so we should definitely spend more actions on making it even better and harder to subvert. This needs to last for a very long time and secure K8P forever. Increased power means increased importance of it not getting fucked up. No Death Star situation for us.
Ganurath
Literal Enthusiast
- Location
- A Valid Location
- Pronouns
- He/Him
This seems highly ungrateful.
- Location
- Germany
[X] [TOWER] Complete
[X] [LIBRARY] Plan: Finding the Mines
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
[X] [LIBRARY] Plan: Finding the Mines
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
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They're certainly grim numbers, but the "at most 4 kids" is a cultural, not biological thing, and could probably be reversed, or at least pushed back against, by a somewhat radical king.
Obviously there's problems with the concept of telling the women to get with the baby-making, but there are solutions that aren't too crazy or immoral.
Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
- Location
- Mother Russia
We have no evidence they get payed. And the king is not the only employer.
Lealope
Not yet invincible
- Pronouns
- She/Her
No, not at all, you're making a lot of assumptions here. Sure, if they work for the king, they'd get paid by the king. But they clearly aren't working for Belegar. Hubert spent the last six months recovering from getting his ass kicked by a troll, Gretel was looting some ruins and Adela bothered engineers. It certainly doesn't sound like they've received any tasks.
Just look at Panoramia. She doesn't work for Belegar, she works for the halflings and receives money from them. There's clearly alternatives and considering everything we've seen and the alternate potential explanations, there's no real basis to say that they're on K8P's payroll.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
As @DarkLight140 pointed out, there are sources of money in K8P that are not a stipend from King Belegar's budget. It's common sense that they need money to live in a society where such things are necessary. It is not common sense that they are employed by the King just because he employs three of the four wizards currently around.
I'm sorry that this is annoying you, but if you're going to impugn Hubert's character for wasting the King's money, I am going to want to know whether or not he is in fact getting the King's money.
@BoneyM: Repeating my mechanics question, since it looks like you're around at the moment. Do Ulgu books assist on the roll to learn an Ulgu spell?
- Location
- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
That line of logic is not correct at all. If I chop a tree down and sell it does the president pay me for it? No. It can be any number of people who pay me for that tree. Just because the ducklings are doing work doesn't mean the king is paying them for doing that work.
DarkLight140
Credit to Team
- Location
- Lost in my thoughts
We did just act as a priestess of Ranald and stole a march on Sigmar in order to pre-emptively consecrate the Emperor's heir to Ranald in blood instead, giving him dibs on the entire Empire of Man. That seems like we're pretty much doing our Ranaldite duty to me.
At the very least, there's probably no shortage of Sigmarites who would straight-up murder us for it and we did it in his name. The Empress would have done it anyway without us but that doesn't lessen our act.
- Location
- Mexico
Damn, i thought that since we were getting so much for free every turn (That 100 finally paying off in my opinion) people would finally stop dumping our money into the library, and the exact plan would be none of my business.
But apparently, it is the nature of people, that when given a free lunch they will find a way to pay for cutlery.
[X] [LIBRARY] Plan no favour mines
[X] [LIBRARY] Plan Budget Spending
[X] [TOWER] Complete
No.
They're being paid for contributing to battles, but outside of that they aren't on the payroll. King Belegar is subsidizing room and board for them, but he's also doing so for the pavise crossbowmen and any Barak Varr mercenary willing to stick around and even a little bit capable of swinging a sword.
Unless it's dark magic, diplomatic incidents or dying, there's nothing to inform. Sink or swim is the entire point of Journeying, and Mathilde would be deep in hypocrisy if she got on her high horse because a Journeyman was practicing the blade and fighting things they probably shouldn't.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Because 1) we are not hurting for dwarf favour 2) I do not think we will ever run dry of topics we want to spend Dwarf Favour on, so it's not that we get it next turn for free, it's that we delay the next thing we want to spend Dwarf Favour on by a turn or end up just paying it anyway 3) the skaven rolls are literally the most important ones to succeed at in the coming turns.
More important than the tower.
More important than Invisibility. I will happily eat a nega-trait if it means getting what we want out of Qrech.
I had proposed essentially this plan before we found out about the stipend. I was happy to spend 4 Favour on this. I am happier to spend only 2.
Thank you.
@DarkLight140, please note the above, since you mentioned investing in Ulgu books specifically for the purpose of boosting our roll for learning Invisibility.
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- Location
- Goose Land
I generally agree with the concept but point out that we won our Magister Duel by shooting our opponent. His swordplay is quite possibly going to be quite useful for his tests.
Well, it's not like he lacks the room for it as he pointed out.
- Location
- Chicago
- Pronouns
- She/They
Avoiding the pay arguements, I agree with this. I really want him to pick up the fate and prophecy aspects more so he can play Not!Damsel to Sir Soizic's knight.
I mean, normally you'd be right? But we aren't in a situation where one man/many women, we are still in a one woman/many men as the men are lost to attrition. So I think polyandry is still correct.
People keep saying this like it's self evident and I'm sorry, I don't get it. Overland threats would come through death pass from the black krag or the Eastern entrance, or would bubble up from the caldera and assault Karagil or the citadel, right? It took our army a week to get from just past death's crossing to the east gate, and eyeballing it says the East end of death pass is at least that far. So 5-7 days during which we can expend the full power of the tower on them each day. Attacking into the caldera *could* happen on a timescale of hours, but they also have completely sheltered paths to approach from so we get almost no marginal benefit. Where is the use case for midnight tower broil?
- Location
- between Venus and Mars
How are we preventing him from acting independently? I'm suggesting we point out what (In my opinion) mistakes he is making and how to correct them. If he disagrees and continues as he is, we inform his magister, and they can take whatever action they deem necessary.
I suspect we will have to agree to disagree on this. If it comes to a vote, we cal always vote how we want and let majority decide.
edit: ok WOG has nixed that. I concede the point.
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- Location
- Venezuela
[X] [TOWER] Ongoing
[X] [LIBRARY] Plan: Finding the Mines
-[X] Skaven: Dwarven Esoteric
-[X] Karaz Ankor: Imperial Esoteric, Bretonnian Extensive
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
[X] [LIBRARY] Plan: Finding the Mines
-[X] Skaven: Dwarven Esoteric
-[X] Karaz Ankor: Imperial Esoteric, Bretonnian Extensive
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
- Location
- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
@BoneyM
Would it be possible to use the IFF function in burning shadows and the magical signatures we know exist from the tower project to create a spell that pings off of certain enemy types?
Something like a radar spell that sends out a pulse of ulgu is a circle around 20m that informs the caster of the general direction of a targeted enemy type.
Would it be possible to use the IFF function in burning shadows and the magical signatures we know exist from the tower project to create a spell that pings off of certain enemy types?
Something like a radar spell that sends out a pulse of ulgu is a circle around 20m that informs the caster of the general direction of a targeted enemy type.
.... fine, I'll leave it.
@BoneyM how do the ducklings outside of Pan, who works for the Halflings, make ends meet.
I assumed that if we got the letter for them to come to the K8Ps that the King put us in charge of them.
and I assumed that meant that the King put us in charge of them.
and I assumed that meant that we get a stipend to pay them for the work they will be doing in his hold, because part of being in charge of someone is being in charge of paying them.
but apparently that makes me stupid.
edit: ninja'd... sigh, still thing that was the most a sensible arrangement, I made sure my intern's got paid... grumble grumble....
@BoneyM how do the ducklings outside of Pan, who works for the Halflings, make ends meet.
I assumed that if we got the letter for them to come to the K8Ps that the King put us in charge of them.
and I assumed that meant that the King put us in charge of them.
and I assumed that meant that we get a stipend to pay them for the work they will be doing in his hold, because part of being in charge of someone is being in charge of paying them.
but apparently that makes me stupid.
edit: ninja'd... sigh, still thing that was the most a sensible arrangement, I made sure my intern's got paid... grumble grumble....
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- Location
- some computer lab
[X] [TOWER] Ongoing
Do you mean Border Prince mercenary?
Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
- Location
- Mother Russia
My position is perfectly summed by this WOG.