It is shameless vote buying
More seriously, there is a significant faction of players who refuse to put off snek juice any further. I would personally prefer the Ranald Shrine, but this way I get more votes. /Cynical politicking.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
More seriously, there is a significant faction of players who refuse to put off snek juice any further. I would personally prefer the Ranald Shrine, but this way I get more votes. /Cynical politicking.
Per BoneyM:
Investigating Skaven is something we want him to do, too. Sometimes we want him to do other things more. That's probably the case most of the time, in fact. His desire to investigate the Skaven lining up with a time we want him to investigate a particular group of Skaven is hardly abdicating our authority over him.
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Genuinely confused.
How can I be making a straw man refutation regarding Mathildes motivations, when I didn't refer to them once.
I'm saying "poking" the Skaven risks uniting them against us.
Whatever her 'motivations'- and I fail to see the relevance to my argument about the dangers here- that's a big risk and not one we should take.
Edit: right, OK, I maybe see what you're getting at. The "wasting Johann, or not" assertion.
Well, eh. It's entirely secondary to my point about don't poke the Skaven until we're ready.
Even went and added a note.
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The thing is, there is literally zero chance for the Skaven to interfere unless they mount a major assault. The home of the spiders is inside the Dwarven lines.
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The Johann conundrum does make me feel like we should add GATHER ALL THE BLACKMAIL to our wizard hiring process haha. But yeah he doesn't really have a leg to stand on in respects to ignoring us.
Theoretical blackmailed Johann gets fired and is like "Well I'll just sneak off into the depths and do my research anyway!" and Mathilde just slaps an entire encyclopedic collection of dirt down on the table and just shakes her head and points at the exit.
Theoretical blackmailed Johann gets fired and is like "Well I'll just sneak off into the depths and do my research anyway!" and Mathilde just slaps an entire encyclopedic collection of dirt down on the table and just shakes her head and points at the exit.
Then I would suggest that you consider switching to the excavation option. Unless you expect people to want to lock an action in for research the Asp blood every turn, it's better to get our vault and library started on.It is shameless vote buying
More seriously, there is a significant faction of players who refuse to put off snek juice any further. I would personally prefer the Ranald Shrine, but this way I get more votes. /Cynical politicking.
A bonus is that if they're willing to vote for Asp blood research without a lab, then it's unlikely to matter next turn even if they do want to research it further.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
Clan Mors isn't Clan Eshin, but it does have assassins of its own. I wouldn't count them out, vis a vis 'unable to do anything without mounting a major offensive'.
Mostly I'm just paranoid about only being able to communicate through magic items. And after thinking about it, the We a) Don't have the concept of lying and b) have no reason to betray us and c) don't actually know that the Skaven are another "we."
Plus, all that they care about is food and space for a nest, both of which we are providing. What possible reason do they have to betray us?
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Panoramia is as old as Mathilde. She ain't a teenage girl.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
My bad. Moving on.
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- Earth
Here, I think. Obviously, the argument failed, but its a fun little ditty.
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- Leeds
"Of course I've over-engineered it more. What do you take me for?"
It is one of their many good qualities.
Kragg is such a humble soul. To recognise that a Beardling is better than him at this very specific task.
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- Singapore
Yes, if the Snake Juice succeeds without the lab, all well and good. But if it fails because we jumped the gun, can the same number of votes be marshaled to research the Snake Juice? Given that Snake Juice votes lost (as I recall, quite narrowly), I'm not so sure whether the votes will swing Snake Juice way if we fail the first attempt, especially if the failure came from jumping the gun.
Their home is within Dwarven lines. Their predations are beyond Dwarven lines, and in this six month turn, settling them under the Citadel means that the Spiders will also likely begin to launch hunting raids against the Skaven.
I'm referring to your point about a "Waste of Johann" and making Johann do what we, as in our interpretations of "Mathilde" want him to do.
Far better to point Johann at where Mathilde intends to operate (under the Citadel) than at some other target irrelevant to Mathilde's current plans/priorities/intentions. At least, that's the position of Plan Citadel Focus - yes , Johann will explore the Skaven in his own free time, but we'd rather he focus on the Clan nearest to our area of operations right now.
Far more important to get a fully stocked Dwarven lab, imo. My understanding is that we are still using the King's Armory as a vault, anyway
360° magesight should take care of that.
Interesting. That's a pretty firm suggestion of let's not let Johann do whatever the hell he wants while he's on our payroll. On top of that he just spent six months being paid to not do any work for us so I'm not sure how we could justify him doing that again.
Maybe once we actually have some Skaven tech in our possession or if Belegar doesn't have any tasks for us then we can let him spend all his time playing but for now he'll have to do it in his free time like Max does smithing in his free time.
[X] Plan Not Really Preliminary Anymore
[X] Plan Mors, Gunnars and Ranald
[X] Not Plan TNE
[X] Plan Talk to me Baby (Spider)
[X] Plan Waaaghnald
[X] Plan Magical Mathilde
[X] Plan Publishing Power
[X] Plan Spider-Wizard Synergy
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- Aotearoa
We'll get Semaphore, which seems more than adequate.
Yeah, I got it in the edited post. That's perhaps fair, though making him do "specific thing we tell him to do" has its own value in establishing a pattern. That was the point I was attempting to make.
Still!
Don't poke the Skaven until we're ready.
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[X] Plan Citadel Focus
[X] Turn 20 Down with Clan Mors
[X] Turn 20 Down with Clan Mors
Yeah, but what if it fails? ...Is what keeps running in my head. Sigh. Fiiiine
Does anyone voting for me have any objection to Max writing up a paper this turn instead of teaching the spiders?
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- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
What would the paper be about?
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- Canada
I FEEL USED!It is shameless vote buying
More seriously, there is a significant faction of players who refuse to put off snek juice any further. I would personally prefer the Ranald Shrine, but this way I get more votes. /Cynical politicking.
But also Snek, so that's fine.
Er hold on, isn't Dwarf year 4000 equal to about -523 in Imperial? Because it's currently about year 7002 or so in the Dwarf calendar, and 2479 in Imperial.
This doesn't work out to 1400 years old, that works out to about 3000 years old.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
So this is pretty great, really. It trades a 50% gold markup (plus the introduction of some random chance) to bypass the Favor system. I bet it would even bypass our usual buying scheme of +1 Base, +1 Extensive, +1 Obscure, +1 Antiquarian. He might find an Obscure book here, an Antiquarian book there...
Good for the next time we get a cash windfall to the tune of a couple thousand gold coins.
Plus, Jack! Jack's a cool guy. It'd be neat to see what he's been up to lately.
So you're voting to spend the next turn in the Citadel, staring at the floor with magesight on? I salute you for your sacrifice.
Lealope
Not yet invincible
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That sounds like a pretty useful property is we ever need to capture any hostile wizards. Does it work on Dhar casters as well or only single wind casters?
Hmm. How long would it take to learn the Secrets of Dhar through observing enemy casters? I would have though the Grey Seers might have picked up on them during the war.
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[X] Not Plan TNE
[X] Plan Waaaghnald
Why would we want the We to know written Riekspiel again?
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- Singapore
True, I'd like to agree with you here, but if we are bringing the spiders down there, they will be also launching predation raids at the Skaven. It might be best for Mathilde to get down into Skaven territory, and see how aware the Skaven are about the relocation, predation from the spiders, and whether Clan Mors is going to try to organize an immediate response. Mathilde plunging down to Clan Mor territory to see how the Skaven respond to the spider relocation and raids on Skavens for food sounds like the kind of thing that the paranoia of a Grey Mage might at least make her consider doing.
That's how I think the IC reasoning for Citadel Focus might look like.
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