Don't worry Belebro, we'll get around to casually offing their leader one of these days.
That sounds like the back cover blurb of a future novel by Stabreim Knochenbeinern's Dwarf counterpart.
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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- Present
That's why I mentioned side project. Belegar will fund the stuff he tells us to do, but if we need funds to do something beyond that, he may balk at picking up the cost after we've wasted so much money.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
I disagree, we're buying a sizeable library that will be relevant to every major threat and subject of interest in the next ten years. There's also plans to make a chapter house of the colleges here and a sizeable library would be useful in attracting journey men and others to come.
You're calling it a waste of money but outside of the romance novels everything we're buying is directly tied to our advancement, our research projects, or tasks and enemies we're likely to be involved with inside K8P. I fundamentally don't accept the premise that it's wasteful.
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- some computer lab
you're right, refusing to buy books relevant to our job with the money we are obligated to spend is buying remarkably poorly in my opinion.
Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
What will we need him to pay for exactly? This argument really doesn't make much sense.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
One person said that an update or so ago. The entire culture of the grey college's bursar office has been very different. They were breathing down our neck for a windfall a tenth this size what doesn't feel like very long ago, and that is very much an institutional problem.
It's actually very different, because the uberlibrary can be built up incrementally, unlike the Maximum Oversword, which is a one time purchase. Ergo, it's smarter to only purchase the books we anticipate becoming relevant in a turn or two; this has the benefit of saving more money for towers to put the books in, and making sure that we get up to date information when we need it.
Depends how esoteric they are. *wiggles eyebrows*
DarkLight140
Credit to Team
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- Lost in my thoughts
What? No, it is literally and specifically her job. In our most recent turn when the Ambers made the spiders able to talk, they still couldn't make heads or tails of the meaning of what they said; that was Mathilde's contribution, being able to learn their thought processes when no one else could. She is now about to be ordered to establish better lines of communication with the spiders, which will involve learning even more of how they think and teaching them about things like military alliances and how to communicate with some random dwarf who wants their help killing a bunch of skaven and will give them the bodies in payment.
She is the "make weird shit happen" advisor and this turn's weird shit is going to be playing translator with a spider hivemind and hopefully getting them to the point that they don't need a translator. Thinking that she has better things to do than this is advocating that she not prioritize her job.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
There's definitely some truth there but we still have an absolutely massive stack of cash to work with on that front.
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- some computer lab
I doubt that Barak Varr boy or the colleges will send us a chaos tome, but I do like the image of Mathilde opening up her newest book and having it immediately burst into flames.
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- Aotearoa
Entomology (Extensive/Esoteric -250g)
Entomology (Extensive -100g)
Ulric (Extensive -100g)
Toxins (Extensive/Esoteric -250g)
Trade (Extensive/Esoteric -250g)
Wolves (Extensive/Esoteric -250g)
These are not sensible purchasing patterns.
We are spending it to quite literally set up a wizard's shop. Apart from romance novels everything else is properly justifiable as tools of trade. We're not wasting money, and if we will share the library with select individuals, it's a boon to the whole Karak.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
Friends, compromisers, librarians: lend me your ears! The no-romance extensive purchase compromise has passed the all-romance option in the tally.
I highly encourage people from both sides to disable their approval votes for no purchase/all romance, so that compromising can take the leads.
(As for why we buy the library now: because we're not doing anything else with the money and we don't know when we'll need the information.)
I highly encourage people from both sides to disable their approval votes for no purchase/all romance, so that compromising can take the leads.
(As for why we buy the library now: because we're not doing anything else with the money and we don't know when we'll need the information.)
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- Aotearoa
A misunderstanding of the interaction with the Bursar, I believe.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Stacks of cash go down quickly; not as fast as favors, but we pushed the sword now because otherwise we'd have frittered those away in a turn or two, if you'll recall.
I want enough left that we can at least have a neat tower or two at the top of the mountain.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Wolves is relevant to our familiar, so it is relevant one down. Trade is relevant to our EIC actions which are locked in for at least two in game years. That's two. Lore about Ulric. Eh you're probably right. lore about insects again we don't need that but if that was from last turn then they became Arachnology books because that is what the thread intent was and it was immediately useful with the spiders so four of the eight you've listed were useful.
Yea I understand that we're getting a free action every turn on the tower and depending on what's available next turn we might be able to use one there, but I absolutely understand your worry.
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- some computer lab
Ulric and wolves are justified by wanting our familiar to be the bestest boi, as well as getting along with the local magic hating wolf riders
Entomology is obviously relevant as it looks like the spiders are going to be sticking around
Toxins is useful for spiders and having it available for Panoramia to use seems useful
Trade is useful when you own a plurality of a trading company that you are obligated to spend actions on for obvious reasons.
We're facilitating communication between a hive mind of spiders and some rock people.
we're going to be in close contact with the leader of the Winter Wolves
we're currently studying the properties of our spider venom, and probably want to keep our weapons poisoned if possible
we own a wolf that we're in the process of "not-really-training"
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- No
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
[X] [ENCHANTMENT] Item to communicate with The We.
[X] [RUNE] A 25 favour weapon to commemorate Mathilde's part the in retaking of Karak Eight-Peaks.
[X] [RUNE] 25 favour sword
[X] [LIBRARY] Extensive library of romance novels
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
[X] [ENCHANTMENT] Item to communicate with The We.
[X] [RUNE] A 25 favour weapon to commemorate Mathilde's part the in retaking of Karak Eight-Peaks.
[X] [RUNE] 25 favour sword
[X] [LIBRARY] Extensive library of romance novels
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- Aotearoa
Maybe 100 gold on Trade, or Wolves, or even Problem Of The Week- sure.
Any individual splurge might be justified. But it's part of a pattern.
Any individual splurge might be justified. But it's part of a pattern.
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- Earth
NoPe.
It would have been better to follow Belegars example. Ask Kragg to design a 25point master piece, and only put in the first Rune, like Belegar only has 2 jewels out of 8. Then keep filling it in as K8P is reclaimed, just as the crown is being filled in. But people want an Ubersword now, not what's best for the Legend/inspiration stuff.
Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
Entomology - We are studying and communicating with spiders. Entomology covers that. Hell, GM advised us to get it.
Ulric: We live next door to a colony of Ulricans.
Toxins: We were studying spider toxins and also use toxins when sneaking into enemy bases.
Trade: We live on the Sil Road and run a trading company.
Wolves: We have a freaking wolf familiar.
Like are we even reading the same quest?
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- some computer lab
a pattern of justified purchases to not reckless spending make.
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- England
See, this kind of thing is the reason I stepped away from SV. This inability to consider things within the context of a character, and projecting your own biases, assumptions and outlook onto a character that doesn't share them. It's worse than annoying; it's disappointing.
But, nevertheless, let me explain something important. Money has value as perceived by society. Money has value as perceived by its holder. These are not quite the same thing. How much 100g is, whether it be a day's wages or a fortune, doesn't actually matter. What matters is how much Mathilde feels it's worth to her.
Mathilde possesses money, but Mathilde does not consider herself wealthy. This is because Mathilde has taken a vow of poverty, and doesn't consider the money hers. Not really hers. She decides how to spend it, sure, but it's not hers for keeps. It exists to further her duties and maintain her person through assorted means. This diminishes it's perceived value - when you purchase something with money that isn't yours, you are experiencing a net gain, because the thing you buy is yours.
And despite her remarkable ability to accumulate wealth, she steadfastly considers money worth only what it purchases, for this very reason! Holding money in abeyance is good, in the sense that you can cover unexpected expenses, but money that is unspent is money that isn't doing its job. Money is for spending. And Mathilde currently possesses more money than she knows what to do with, further diminishing its worth to her because there is no shortage. So what does 100 gold mean to her? Nothing.
So, when you talk about how much 100 gold is, you're missing the point. Mathilde isn't trading her gold for anything, she's trading Dawongr Weber's too-plentiful gold for a tangible luxury that she's actually allowed to fully own, no loopholes needed. This has various justifications; she can enjoy them, she can use them for social purposes, she can build furniture out of them. What it's not is obsession, because, sure, romance novels > gold to Mathilde, but this is because gold has low value, not because romance novels have unreasonably high value.
Now, comparing the expenditure to what it could otherwise buy, such as another room for the tower, and you see how it's an inefficient purchase, but given that there is so much money, it's hard to consider it worth arguing about. Mathilde literally has more money than she knows how to spend.