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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
 
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
 
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Enerael said:
I finally give up on reading all the posts and am skipping the last week and a half of discussion. Which is four hundred and some pages.

Hopefully I will manage to keep up now.

Anything critical I might be missing?
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For you, and anyone else interested in doing this, the most critical thing might be the GM information posts. Those have informed a lot of our discussion and voting. Consider using the "Thread Tools"->"Who Replied?" function (in the upper right of the thread) and selecting BoneyM's number of posts, currently at 2450. This will open up a page full of links to every GM post in the thread, starting with the most recent.

Many of the short answer posts (1-2 sentences) are readable from this page alone, though quotes don't show up so they frequently lack context. In any case, you can catch up on key information much more quickly than reading through the entire thread by reading just the linked posts here going back to whenever you had stopped reading. It's still a bit of work because of how nicely communicative our GM is, but it's more accessible than the near-full-time-job of reading everything.
 
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SuperSonicSound said:
Occasionally quoting some one that outright stated they've not followed discussion and asked questions about the current vote is not equivalent to mass tagging and I don't think it's all that unreasonable. The person before last I quoted literally thanked me for doing so.
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That would be fine by me if you only summarized arguments or something, but since you also responded to someone asking about a separate part of the vote with essentially the boilerplate argument on a more contested option, I'm not being as charitable as I could/should be.
 
So let me talk about the book list a little more:

Imperial Texts:

Extensive/Esoteric Skaven
Extensive Skaven Magic

Given the Conspiracy of Silence, how the hell would these even be available for purchase? Is this realistic?

Extensive Greenskin Magic

This is fine, I guess? Assuming that, "Books on magic will cost College Favour as well as gold," doesn't apply to Enemies of Man magic.

Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor)
Extensive Amber Magic

Why are we randomly buying a book on Amber Magic? I do not understand that one.

Extensive/Esoteric Romance Novels

Please no. One purchase of "Romance Novels" is maybe justifiable; this is crazy.

Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics

Why?

Extensive Warpstone

This has to be on some kind of "restricted list". Can you really just buy books on warpstone?

Extensive Morr

This is entirely unnecessary because we read the Libris Mortis and got +1 Learning for "secrets no priest of Morr should ever have written down". There is nothing to be learned here and it arguably shouldn't be allowed to beenfit us.

Extensive Karaz Ankor.

This is pretty vague. What rolls would it even apply to?

Dwarf Texts:

Extensive Greenskin Magic
Extensive Skaven Magic

I... guess? In terms of practical effects, not theory obviously.

Extensive Romance Novels
Extensive Linguistics

Sigh.

Extensive Daemons.

This really seems like the sort of thing you can't buy with money. Do dwarves even write books about demons?

Brettonian Texts: Extensive Romance Novels.
Tilean Texts: Extensive Romance Novels.

Sigh.
 
Briefvoice said:
Extensive Morr

This is entirely unnecessary because we read the Libris Mortis and got +1 Learning for "secrets no priest of Morr should ever have written down". There is nothing to be learned here and it arguably shouldn't be allowed to beenfit us.
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I believe this is meant as a cover story for the existing benefit on that topic.
(Which could raise secondary questions about why Mathilde is ordering Morr lore in the first place. Blame Gunnar?)
 
Kornet said:
Yes, that's exactly what I think. With a healthy helping of 'fight the powah, man!' and 'longbeards just don't get it!'.

It is amusing as hell.

And the Grudgebearer is his analogue of school principal, who is obviously evil and keeping everyone down.
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It's less funny when you remember that the Grudgebearer is leading his entire people to their deaths. The Sky Thane may be overstating the means, but to borrow the metaphor the principal is at the heart of a an albotrate suicide pact for the whole school.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
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It's 69 vs 72.
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SuperSonicSound said:
huh, now that i've reclicked the tally we're only three behind as TNE said, wonder if that was a browser cache error?
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Yea I was wrong sorry.

[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
[X] [RUNE] A 25 favour sword to commemorate Mathilde's part the in retaking of Karak Eight-Peaks.
[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons

I think I forgot to approval vote the other Runic thing which I liked which was more explicit about the reason behind the sword.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Sinsystems on Oct 7, 2019 at 10:31 AM, finished with 1617 posts and 223 votes.
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[] [LIBRARY] No purchase is currently in the lead.

I encourage people who are on Team All The Books to recognize that the tide is turning and shift, or at least approval vote, for

[] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons

Which is the next highest option, getting tons of reference texts that will help us do our job without going hog wild on our romance novels.

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SuperSonicSound said:
Is there a library vote which does buy more books but doesn't spend any favour going right now?
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I feel like 2 favor spent for the best Grey Magic books we can get is a good investment in future Ulgu research. It makes all our efforts to improve ourselves better.
 
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SuperSonicSound said:
Is there a library vote which does buy more books but doesn't spend any favour going right now?
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[] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive/Antiquarian Skaven Magic, Extensive/Antiquarian Greenskin Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Romance Novels. Dwarf Texts: Antiquarian Skaven, Antiquarian Greenskin, Extensive/Antiquarian Skaven Magic, Extensive/Antiquarian Greenskin Magic, Extensive Romance Novels. Brettonian Texts: Extensive Romance Novels.

By Guile.
 
bookworm702 said:
That reminds me, part of Mathilde's report is probably going to go "so, I did some preliminary scouting of the Skaven-" followed by Belegar flinching.
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hey, no one of important die this time

he can't expect that we cut off some important head everytime we walk out side friendly territory
 
picklepikkl said:
I encourage people who are on Team All The Books to recognize that the tide is turning and shift, or at least approval vote, for

[] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons

Which is the next highest option, getting tons of reference texts that will help us do our job without going hog wild on our romance novels.
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Done.
 
picklepikkl said:
[] [LIBRARY] No purchase is currently in the lead.

I encourage people who are on Team All The Books to recognize that the tide is turning and shift, or at least approval vote, for

[] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons

Which is the next highest option, getting tons of reference texts that will help us do our job without going hog wild on our romance novels.

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I feel like 2 favor spent for the best Grey Magic books we can get is a good investment in future Ulgu research. It makes all our efforts to improve ourselves better.
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All the books is literally one vote behind no books, I suggest that plan No Romance voters approval vote All the Books
 
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