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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
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CuttleFish2.0
Friendly neighborhood cuttlefish
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The way I parse it, the Extensive/Obscure/Antiquarian/Esoteric refers to the breadth of texts involved in the collection not the texts themselves; if imperial romance is extensive, it means we have a lot of common examples of romance literature from the empire. Each successive levels involves, rarer/older/more specialized books.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Ciaphas Cain, Hero of the Imperium, certainly isn't a bad role model; that is, not seeking glory isn't a bad character trait, not that I mean you're saying we should be cowardly or anything. However, I believe that this is a matter of interpretation. Ableheim created the army, but one could argue that it was only us holding it together that brought it against the castle, to its inevitable ruin; it would not have been the fall of the Drakenhofs if we had not brought it there.
When we were confronted with the power of a raging god, we called on a good friend to rescue her, but that friend was an Elder God, and he answered, and together we committed a swindling to mirror the legend that birthed his divine existence.
One might say that we are lagging behind a normal grey magister, but another could argue that we are in fact far ahead of many; our magical score puts us at a place many men will never reach, and we still have ways to increase it further that we haven't been able to take advantage of yet, such as filling out our spell list, or getting a magical staff.
One could argue that we're not going to be building any legends while buried in books, but just this last turn we had a roll for whether or not we'd be walking away from those Skaven Warrens with another military leader's head.
Mathilde is very silly from her own point of view sometimes, and she makes light of things she experiences, but I feel that it would be as erroneous to downplay our contributions as it would be to become prideful because of them.
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We're only barely going to use a sword when scouting and retaking the other peaks anyways. When assasinating the Black Orc Shaman, Mathilde first used a shadowchisel before Mork convinced her to do otherwise. The sword is our back-up, not our main weapon. You don't "build a legend" around your secondary fall-back weapon, no matter how big it is.
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People were arguing for a 25 pt. sword long before we had the armour. It is entirely consistent to vote for an awesome sword, but not one forged from the metal of the armour.
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The right sword is what will inspire men to march for three months, beyond the reach of civilization, and fight and die for that third peak. And the fourth. And the fifth.
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I cam see where you are coming from, but your phrasing seems to be saying that people shouldn't try to reach beyond their current limitations and become greater than they thought they could be, which I have to strenuously disagree with.
There is some arrogance in trying to reach similar heights to the legends of old. Maybe you will never live up to your goals. The thing is, people thinking that they can't live up to the old symbols and glories is the attitude that is dooming most Dwarfs in this quest.
Reach for the greatest heights, and even if you fall short, you can still inspire.
Also, obligatory down with Sigmar. If we can do more for the Dwarfs than him and upstage him over the course of Mathilde's life, I'd be extremely pleased.
Guile
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You think the guy who takes every opportunity possible to talk about his Morrite Priestess Great-something-or-other Grandmother is going to be Sigmarite?
I can't wait to find out!
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NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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...Not yet.
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Mopman43
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He didn't mention her at all, that was info we got from our background check. It's been well over 300 years since the 2nd Vampire War.
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I mean, it makes sense really given their history, but I find it a little amusing that our books on Ulthuan come from the Dwarves.
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I still maintain this is a risky idea and very premature.
Skaven are also only usually-food- so if all that's required for them to be not-food is to be able to fight back effectively, what happens if a warlord starts making their own deals with The We? It might not be likely- but why the heck would be pay our own college favour to put that security risk in the
If this is the leading enchantment purchase option this turn, I'd have to vote-
[X] [ENCHANTMENT] No purchase.
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Mopman43
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Technically, I think that was goblins, which makes more sense.
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While I understand that, that sort of narrative is exactly why I'd prefer not to go all out with spending favor on a sword. I really dislike having an item so powerful that one of Mathilde's major titles may end up being "wielder of the Eight Peak Blade" or something. It's just not a way I'd like to see her character go.
One thing to point out... the leading vote is not to give the armor back, but to make no recommendation. You could call it leaving it up to humility.
If Belegar believes that the best thing to do is to melt the armor down for his heroes, you'll get your uber-metal sword... and untainted by having given him advice just to benefit her selfish desires too. If he doesn't then it wasn't meant to be.
If Belegar believes that the best thing to do is to melt the armor down for his heroes, you'll get your uber-metal sword... and untainted by having given him advice just to benefit her selfish desires too. If he doesn't then it wasn't meant to be.
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I think @BoneyM said that a legend would grow around the sword if we used it for legendary deeds. So it would be "the Sword of Mathilde" in the same way that Ghal Maraz is the Hammer of Sigmar.
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Makes for a far more awesome story than "I did all of these things which made me one of the three key figures of a legendary undertaking, and then I got this +2 keen longsword out of it".
I like this. Anyone up to approval vote it?
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So, I understand where you're coming and I don't want to change your mind.
However, I would like to explain why I voted the way I did on this, so that should the vote go through you don't have to feel more uncomfortable than necessary.
At its core for me the question became, if Mathilde wasn't benefiting from this, would she still make the same decision?
I decided yes, it is crucial for Belegar to maintain and stabilize the ideological momentum he currently has on his side. To do this he needs symbols. In dwarven society physical symbols are the most enduring and most powerful. Of the physical susbstances a symbol could be made from Gromril is the most enduring and most potent.
If Belegar decides to make a new book of grudges from this, empty and symbolizing the new start of his Karak. Or if it's a sword, a hammer, an axe and a pistol. Or if it's a stained glass depiction of the rise of the dwarven species from the ashes, that's fine.
If we don't get a sword from this that's fine. Maybe Kragg will gives us a quest to mine some Gromril from where the trolls are, maybe he won't.
I'd still think this choice was the right one.
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This entire line of argument just stinks to me of Quester's Hubris. Bragging about accomplishments that haven't been made and over-inflating past achievements past the point of absurdity. Mathilde can become a world-recognized legend, but right now everyone's front-loading things by making the expectation that it's inevitable. It's not. Mathilde could still meet misfortune and die ingloriously. She could settle down and end up doing research for the rest of her days. Heck, maybe she'll even piss off the Grey College by accident and have to go on the run. None of those seem likely or like things that we'll vote for, but they're still just as improbable as Mathilde somehow inspiring armies to march for her when she's still that geeky wizard in the tower who carries a big scary sword that no-one actually sees her use out in the open.
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Funnily enough, I've just re-read the part where Abel told us that the one person that doesn't fully believe in us, is ourselves, and here we are, throwing it up the command chain instead of making a stand.
The way I see it, that his best option also is likely to benefit us is a very fortunate coincidence, but it doesn't change the fact that I find the reforging the best idea.
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Personally I see the main symbol being the reforging of the gromril. If we get a sword out of it, that can become another symbol, but the act of reforging the old for the new is something I really like narratively all on it's own.
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Where? I couldn't find anything.
Now BoneyM has said that we will have to find a permanent solution for the communication problem next turn, but I think it's perfectly fine to take some steps towards it on our own initiative.
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I can see this, too. Somewhat like passing the Silversteel spears to the Undumgi. 'We must find new uses for the old, if the Karaz Ankor is to live as more than a fading line in the grudge-book.'