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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Hey quick question. Did Boney clarify why we didn't get a larger Learning increase from reading the Liber Mortis? I know we only read part of it, but as far as I can tell, it only finished the 1/3 Undead Lore we had from Abelhiem's Extremely Redacted Liber Mortis.
 
Andres110 said:
Doing anything but this would be very wrong. This isn't just war gear, this is someone's armour. That someone is lying dead in a skaven's warren and soon to be eaten, never to see his friends and loved ones again. We've been presented with this kind of choice before.
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Being fair, it's Gromril. It could have been in the hands of Skaven for a week, it could have been for three centuries or millennia. All we know is that we got it off of a dead Stormvermin.
 
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Andres110 said:
We saw the dwarf corpse that was wearing that armour.
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No. No we didn't it was a skaven corpse this armour has been in skaven hands for any where up to 3000+ years. There's likely no one alive that will remember the dwarf that originally used it outside of clan writings and maybe not even then given how much was lost in the sundering.

edit: whoops beaten to the post by a country mile.
 
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.
 
Andres110 said:
We saw the dwarf corpse that was wearing that armour.
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"A particularly large rat is currently on the slab, and the rat that pulled the cart is having a loud altercation with the one that wields the cleaver over it. You approach, keeping your distance from the cooking fires and trying to angle yourself for a clearer view. You thought so - though it's covered with leather bindings to keep it in place on a body it was never meant to protect, that's definitely Dwarven craftsmanship."

A thaggoraki is not a dwarf.

E: ninjad by two sneaky grey wizards
 
chocolote12 said:
No one. They're talking about another quest entirely. I personally don't see the parallel, and do not appreciate the appeal to that particular sentiment.

The question was asked in the context of whether or not it'd be used for a statue or something, so I felt it was applicable.
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But, critically, the question Boney actually answered was directly asking whether or not a sword made from the reforged armor would qualify as as 'symbol of victory' and didn't include anything about any sort of statue. All I'm saying is that you should not go around talking as if the two, very much separate, votes guarantee anything to do with one another. It would make a neat sort of symbolism, and dovetail very nicely with things that the thread wants(edit: rather, things that parts of the thread want), but that doesn't meant squat except insofar as it might tickle the QM's fancy to have it happen and seeing as we don't know what else Boney has in mind as possibilities we shouldn't be making decisions based on things that we don't actually know.
 
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SuperSonicSound said:
No. No we didn't it was a skaven corpse this armour has been in skaven hands for any where up to 3000+ years. There's likely no one alive that will remember the dwarf that originally used it outside of clan writings and maybe not even then given how much was lost in the sundering.
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Even if no one personally remembers the dwarf I feel the Dawi will have extensive records on whose armor this is since that's basically their entire culture and how they would see the return of the armor as miracle they will return the favor for
 
Well I'm off to bed, hopefully the rune vote wins and we go for maximum political statement. Last thought but who ever mentioned the matrix is almost certainly onto a winner when it comes to a method on how to keep the Spiders able to communicate.

We teach the Amber mages how to use the matrix (it's a lesser magic iirc) and then they will be able to anchor the beast talk spell.



NotteBoy97 said:
Even if no personally remembers the dwarf I feel the Dawi will have extensive records on whose armor this is since that's basically their entire culture and how they would see the return of the armor as miracle they will return the favor for
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Karak 8 Peaks was iirc lost during the sundering that destroyed most of the underways. They lost a shit tonne of records and many clans were wiped out. It's the secondary event that destroyed the majority of their runic knowledge for instance.
 
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SuperSonicSound said:
Well I'm off to bed, hopefully the rune vote wins and we go for maximum political statement. Last thought but who ever mentioned the matrix is almost certainly onto a winner when it comes to a method on how to keep the Spiders able to communicate.

We teach the Amber mages how to use the matrix (it's a lesser magic iirc) and then they will be able to anchor the beast talk spell.
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Isn't it one time use? If we want something reusable, we need an enchanted item.
 
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Even if the sword wasn't up to receiving it, I would still vote for Reforging.

Reforging is what Belegar stands for. It's what Karak Eight Peaks stands for.

And I heartily agree with his stance that the future can be salvaged, that old glories can be regained.

And making a physical symbol of his victory gives weight to his claims. A symbol is something you can rally behind, and a gromril symbol is a statement in and of itself.

This isn't "make a nice statue". It's "show the goddamn world you were right. That it can be done."
Andres110 said:
Doing anything but this would be very wrong. This isn't just war gear, this is someone's armour. That someone is lying dead in a skaven's warren and soon to be eaten, never to see his friends and loved ones again. We've been presented with this kind of choice before.
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It's not remotely the same.

This fellow has been dead three thousand years and counting.

That was giving a grieving father his daughter's things.

You are voting for a random clan in a random Hold suddenly getting a gift.
 
Alliterate said:
My point isn't so much about Reikspiel, it's that we probaby shouldn't take the risk of putting an object into the pedipalps of the Spider-We that allows them to communicate with others, considering all the Other We around here are our enemies.
I think all that convinced The We that we might be Not-Food was that by the time we started speaking, we'd successfully avoided becoming such food.
The We already have a sometimes-not-food relationship with Greenskins, who I gather sometimes ride spiders. Why (possibly) make that an easier deal to strike?
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Generally agreed, though its important to note that they have access to nothing but dwarfs at the moment. Though that said, we can apparently try to teach them to write, and that'll handily take care of the communication issues. Well, mostly.
 
NotteBoy97 said:
Even if no personally remembers the dwarf I feel the Dawi will have extensive records on whose armor this is since that's basically their entire culture and how they would see the return of the armor as miracle they will return the favor for
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Yes, but. I think that Belegar has already explicitly rejected the 'reclaiming old glories' mindset. I think that instead having a new weapon/artifact/whatever forged out of the old would be much more narratively congruent with his arc so far, while still allowing him to send out diplomatic gifts.
 
CuttleFish2.0 said:
But, critically, the question Boney actually answered was directly asking whether or not a sword made from the reforged armor would qualify as as 'symbol of victory' and didn't include anything about any sort of statue.
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A statue as opposed to the sword we want.
BoneyM said:
The armour would provide more than a single weapon's worth, so Mathilde doesn't have to claim her own portion as the sole symbol.
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I'm not sure how Mathilde claiming a portion wouldn't result in a sword, though.
 
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
[X] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.

[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
 
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[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.

We just established communications with some weird alien species. That's a big thing. It would be a waste to just chase the spiders away.

[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant

[X] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.

I feel it is not our business to tell the Dwarves what to do with the armour. We don't know Dwarven customs well enough to give a good recommendation. We also don't need to tell the Dwarves how to create our sword, maybe the will use the armour, maybe not, however they judge best.

[X] [RUNE] A 25 favour sword to commemorate Mathilde's part the in retaking of Karak Eight-Peaks.
[X] [RUNE] Ranger's Greatsword 15 Favor

TotallyNotEvil has me half-convinced on getting a 25 pt. Sword. However the leading vote is entirely lacking in flavour. If we want the sword to commemorate the taking of (a third of) Karak Eight Peaks, we should mention it.

[X] [ENCHANTMENT] No purchase.
[X] [ENCHANTMENT] An item of Talk With Beast for Mathilde's personal use. (3 Favours)

[X] [LIBRARY] No purchase.
[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons

Really, I would love to purchase some books. However, all the write-ins for purchases with more than one vote buy loads of romance novels in languages Mathilde can't even read. What is the point?

Edit: Added a library vote without romance
 
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Forging any amount of Gromril into a statue seems ludicrous, anyway. It is far, far too precious for that kind of waste.

Gingganz said:
Really, I would love to purchase some books. However, all the write-ins for purchases with more than one vote buy loads of romance novels in languages Mathilde can't even read. What is the point
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The point is that reading books in another language is a good way to learn it.
 
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