Well, he's the guy to beat, right. No way I'd make a mistake.Do you know something I don't know?
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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- Goose Land
Our belt allows us to handle Dhar without that effect.
I absolutely agree with never touching Dhar ever, unless we're making it explode, but I felt that the Belt was an important thing to be aware of.
Y'know, is it ever explained in canon how Nagash got so good at using Dhar without being driven completely insane? (IIRC, Nagash doesn't really suffer from Dhar insanity so much as Pre-existing Extraordinary Hubris)
Edit: I also kinda wonder what percentage of Delves go mad (or rather, get killed the moment dhar breaks out of their willpower meme cage) in training?
Edit: I also kinda wonder what percentage of Delves go mad (or rather, get killed the moment dhar breaks out of their willpower meme cage) in training?
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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- Earth
Yes, he invented an entire magical discipline revolving around using Dhar with Shyish and the Nehekharan gods as a filter; it's called necromancy.
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- United States of America
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In reality, I don't think it's ever really explained, but I would assume it has something to do with the Mortuary Cult's unique take on magic and the Gods, and their mixture between the two, and using that to manipulate Dhar. As well as Dark Elf techniques on how to manipulate it with the least amount of risk for the most amount of power. And well... we've seen how Mathilde has been able to force magic to obey her with sheer force of will/ego, and Nagash had the will/ego to spare.
He's Nagash: it wouldn't dare.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Well, that and Dhar insanity is apparently indistinguishable from his normal insanity so it just did nothing to him.
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- Earth
Sure. Which is why, along with Avatar, many in this thread think we can get away with reading the fucking Liber Mortis.
But make no mistake, those are the equvivalent of a Tier 4/Tier 5 isolation lab. Because that's how dangerous the stuff we are studying is. Thinking you are safe due to the protections and standards implemented, means you try. To study it in controlled effects. You don't take it into the world and use it. No using Dhar.
Not now, not ever. Not even with a Belt. Not even if Ranald becomes God of Magic. Just don't.
We can maybe, maybe study it safely, and that is exaclly what many are betting on, but don't for an instant think you can use it.
We would, but we aren't going to. Using Dhar is corruptive, whether through this method or otherwise. We shouldn't use Dhar at all, ever.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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- Earth
Fair point. It is such a pity Nagash was such a terrible person. He could have done wondrous things for the world.
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- Sweden
[ ] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskin.
[ ] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.
[ ] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.
I think Dark Elf sorceresses and Wood Elf spell weavers can, just as high elves and wood elves can use High Magic. They're just that good.
Well, what theory of the use of Dhar Nagash could extract about a magic based on the elves' literally inhuman willpower and urge to dominate from a sorceress who he kept drugged out of her mind so she couldn't concentrate enough to refuse to talk or cast spells. Nagash was literally an evil genius, but he would have had to do a lot of work.
He probably started off using Nehekharan theurgy to manipulate Dhar, which was presumably safer, as he was advancing the goals of the Mortuary Cult. After he broke his covenant with the gods he must have worked out how to use Shyish alone, and then had an insulation. His prototype of the Elixir of Life probably had something to do with it, as like vampires, he was no longer a human, with a human's susceptibility to having their mind warped by the magic he used. It's the same reason why vampires can learn multiple lores of magic and use necromancy without going madder than being a vampire already makes them.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
So Nagash used to be a Khemri prince, He was inducted into the Mortuary cults when he was young and learned the Nekharan brand of divine thuergy they used to cast spells. Shenanigans happened and he decided he wanted more power so he kidnapped Dark elven sorcerers convinced them to teach him how to use Dhar, they agreed because they thought he would end up killing himself, then he ends up using it slaughter them.
He then goes on to use Dhar to invent necromancy.
edit: Well Alratans account is more relevant than this post so ignore me.
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[[SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.
what about a straight strength boosting torque or something? We are a close combat beast and that would only make us more so.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.
what about a straight strength boosting torque or something? We are a close combat beast and that would only make us more so.
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Honestly, and I consider the following a good thing, if we are extremely vague (like, just "Greatsword") I do not believe Kragg would give us a weapon solely better at killing. Boney himself said that the more general, the more imaginative they can be. Who would have expected the anti-Dhar thing for our belt?
Kragg has seen us fight. He has seen us sneak around and cause highly valuable chaos and destruction. He has seen us deal with/seen the results of us dealing with the arcane.
This isn't a blank slate his imagination is working from. I wouldn't be surprised if he made us something able to literally cut magic in some way, be it the Winds enemy wizards draw in or Augment spells, etc.
Kragg has seen us fight. He has seen us sneak around and cause highly valuable chaos and destruction. He has seen us deal with/seen the results of us dealing with the arcane.
This isn't a blank slate his imagination is working from. I wouldn't be surprised if he made us something able to literally cut magic in some way, be it the Winds enemy wizards draw in or Augment spells, etc.
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Personally, I'm hoping for something like the Aranea from Mother of Learning.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
We can only get one talisman item active, if we want magical stuff to boost our killyness we'll need to comission a weapon which is what Alratans plan is for when the voting moratorium expires in about an hour.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be allowed to scutter off into the Underway, never to be seen again.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[x] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.
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[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[x] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.
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[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons
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This is almost certainly never going to become relevant in quest; but along similar lines, I wonder if a vampire would be able to survive living off the snake blood we've got.
Obviously, it's a terrible idea because it's almost certain the first couple to try would blow up, then the next couple would be imbued with UNLIMITED POWER, but it's kind of interesting to think about.
Obviously, it's a terrible idea because it's almost certain the first couple to try would blow up, then the next couple would be imbued with UNLIMITED POWER, but it's kind of interesting to think about.
I don't think it does, Malkieth is evil, not insane, the same with dark elf sorceresses, and wood elf spellweavers aren't nice, but they're not even that evil. The way dhar drives humans insanes is a lot messier. Hallucinations, manic behaviour, bizarre obsessions over trivialities, etc.
Note how drinking dragon's blood apparently cures them of the blood thirst...
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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- Earth
There's a fair argument that Malekith is insane tbh, but I swear I remember reading somewhere that Dhar does affect Elves, just not in quite the same way. And I still find the idea that the Wood Elves are the "grey" faction of Elves very irritating.
Nagash is a genius with incredible willpower.
Actually that's understating it - Nagash makes other brilliant people looks slow and he can enter blinking contests with actual gods.
Not all humans - Nagash wasn't affected that way for example.