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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Anyway, I think that the giant sword may be a problem of fighting the previous war.

We've just come from a prolonged period of continuous conflicts and battles, and are still adjusting to the councellor style play.
The sword would have been massively useful in the conquest of K8P, but it's going to be considerably less useful in the future.

Most of our actions will not involve going out and stabbing people. We're playing court wizard, not the saboteur/assasin we were in the previous turn.
 
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Abby Normal said:
@BoneyM a couple questions on staves:
1. about how big does a staff have to be? would a staff small enough to be carried on the belt a la a short sword be impossible, or 'just' in the 'moredifficult than normal' category?
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Bigger is easier. Technically it's possible to achieve the same thing with a wand, but very few have been capable.

Abby Normal said:
2. likewise, would having greatsword scabbard and normal sized staff clasp (or whatever the scabbard equivalent for staves is called) crossed over the back be impossible, or just unweildy?
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Unwieldy.

das_slash said:
@BoneyM if the military ally option is taken for the spiders, would they have to leave their current home? I want to provide them with a secure base of operations and I feel the only option that provides that is the integration.
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Their current home is the intended future bedrooms for the Dwarves but they can be relocated elsewhere in the friendly parts of the Karak.

Candesce said:
I think, probably not abridged enough to use our new-awesome-dhar-dispel in front of her.
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The problem with the Second Secret of Dhar: it builds on the First Secret of Dhar. And the First Secret of Dhar entirely justifies how goddamn terrified everyone is of this book.

NSMS said:
Would this be for a 'one spider has it, that spider can speak it' item, or a 'one spider has it, all spiders can speak it' item? Because the latter is what I'm interested in.
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It would be one spider speaking. All of them being capable would be a hell of an undertaking to do with magic. But you could just teach them to write and hand out chalk or something.

Redshirt Army said:
@BoneyM

Sorry if this has been asked already, I'm just catching up to the thread, but can we commission an item from the Colleges to let us keep talking to the spiders once the Ambers leave?
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Yes.

Enerael said:
! What did we roll, 90+? Whoah. Also, ghost ninja Mathilda. Substance of Shadow is damn scary against the Scaven, not a lot of light to break it and completely invisible in such deep darkness and to a species which relies greatly on touch and smell.
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Critting the scouting got you a roll against a list of possible opportunities, and though it was a possibility, for once you managed to sneak into somewhere without killing its military leader.
 
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10ebbor10 said:
Anyway, I think that the giant sword may be a problem of fighting the previous war.

We've just come from a prolonged period of continuous conflicts and battles, and are still adjusting to the councellor style play.
The sword would have been massively useful in the conquest of K8P, but it's going to be considerably less useful in the future.
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There are still six more peaks to conquer. And no end to the target afterward.
 
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NSMS said:
I'm not trying to flame bait, I just literally find the arguments of 'any weapon that is not absolute top tier is inadequate', and 'Mathilde should be able to solo the most dangerous and powerful beings in the setting' hilarious. I'm not trying to provoke a response, or piss people off, it's just how I feel on the topic.

That said, since it is apparently being taken that way, I'll apologise for the misunderstanding and stop now.
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You may or may not be trying to do it, but "*laughter intensifies*" is not going to result in anything but annoying people.
And I am saying this very much as person who agrees with you on all counts there: 15 sword is already legendary + trying to make Mathilde into some sort of swiss army knife which can stab Bloodthirsters in the face with one hand while inventing Theurgy with the other and doing god knows what else with the third Ulgu hand is...

Well, it's certainly peculiar, especially considering that most legendary lords outside of, like, Literally Nagash Alone, are either doing one thing or another, not trying to be legendary warrior, wizard, researcher and priest at once.


And then they dare to lecture me about how trying to be a better assassin than some elf swamp hick is overly ambitious and I am being a fool for thinking of it.
 
Zenbeast said:
As much as I like the spiders, we only have a spell to be able to speak to them. Instead of bringing them into the community, a military alliance would be best.

How do you describe personal property, or personal anything to a hivemind? Hell, they do not even have a concept of 'I' so they think that each person is part of the other-We, when in fact each person is an other-We. I do not relish the conversation when some zealous not-green four legs kill some of the spiders and we have to somehow explain that those Tilean/dwarf/elf people are different than K8P.

What happens when Esbern and Seija leave, will we be locked out of communication until another amber decides to come by?

Though, I'm curious how far their psionic net reaches, because you could use them as really good scouts or messengers with their ability to pass info along instantaneously.
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To be honest, given that only one person (us) understands how they speak (and that's with a spell), we should just have them leave. Their mindset doesn't sit flush with human or Dwarven minds.
 
So @Alratan in my opinion while I can see where you are coming from with the desire for a max killy sword, I think the biggest issue is the sacrificing of versatility for it. Namely we are likely going to get more bang out of the Dwarven favor by investing it in other things than blowing most of it on a sword.
 
DiceOfStupidity said:
That much would be covered by aliance against greenskins/skavens.

Edit: the last option is about attempt to introduce them into community. As it "let's be neighbours" rather than useful ally You still keep at a arms length.
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But them having a secure base maximizes their utility against those.
And at that point what's the difference between allies and integration?
If we talk, we trade, we fight the same enemies, we share Intel, that's a member of the community.
 
Captainwolf said:
As a reminder, Dwarven Runesmiths don't know how to best forge a sword. They make axes and hammers, not swords.

Also I think we shouldn't spend all our favor on single items.
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We have 38 Dwarven Favour currently, we're looking at being able to get more and I'll bet we earned more recovering that suit of armour as well. There's very strong opportunity costs to getting the best weapon we can now. You may have missed previous discussion but we're liable to use this sword until the character dies we'll never find a faction that's capable of forging a better weapon for us as even the High Elves can't match the Dwarves when it comes to magical weapons.
 
NSMS said:
I'm not trying to flame bait, I just literally find the arguments of 'any weapon that is not absolute top tier is inadequate', and 'Mathilde should be able to solo the most dangerous and powerful beings in the setting' hilarious.
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I don't see why you feel that way. We're ambitious and steadily improving our power. Mathilde is already reading the Liber Mortis and questioning the nature of gods. It's entirely possible we'll end up facing the strongest and most dangerous beings in the setting. What's wrong with getting her a sword worthy of the kind of person she's going to be?
 
I'd like to point out that a Weapon 25 Favor is not just a chance to build Mathilde's legend, it's a chance to build Kragg's.

How often do you think Kragg gets the opportunity to completly guilt-free say "And on this day, I'm going to take my skill to its limit and show those whippersnappers what real runecraft looks like!"
 
I'm also hoping spider silk can offer some protection without interfering with our magic.
Those spiders are a damn goldmine and they are going into the hoard.
 
10ebbor10 said:
Anyway, I think that the giant sword may be a problem of fighting the previous war.

We've just come from a prolonged period of continuous conflicts and battles, and are still adjusting to the councellor style play.
The sword would have been massively useful in the conquest of K8P, but it's going to be considerably less useful in the future.

Most of our actions will not involve going out and stabbing people. We're playing court wizard, not the saboteur/assasin we were in the previous turn.
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We're not going to be a court wizard for ever and a lot of us are planning to put actions towards scouting or getting involved in the military efforts of K8P even if that's not our primary duty. We're not fighting the previous war. We're preparing for the next.
 
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.
 
I wonder, since we now mastered Dwarfish, can we start write down
Alratan said:
That's a very large straw-man you're creating there, particularly as Mathilde was fully prepared to cause disruption by stealing an exceptionally valuable artifact. It's not that we don't need planning or preparation with a bigger sword, but that with a bugger sword planning and preparation allows us to achieve vastly more because Mathilde is likely to be the one person who can be in the right place at the right time to apply the right amount of force, but with a lesser weapon she often won't be able to apply that right amount of force.
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I mean, stealing something when the chance present itself when the people coveting it/guarding it are distracted are a bit more easier imo than sneaking blindly and stumbling upon the leader of the army who's conveniently alone so you sword them good, silently without anyone noticing.

Good weapon might cause the latter to be more plausible and Mathilde to be able to take more risks but still scouting and stealing isnot comparable to assasination.
 
BoneyM said:
But you could just teach them to write and hand out chalk or something.
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We absolutely need to flip the coin to Deciever and tell the spiders that cutesy drawings are considered polite and makes it more likely that Umgi will listen to you.

I don't care if we have to draw tiny Mathilde's on any future papers to keep up appearences, I need this!
 
SuperSonicSound said:
We're not going to be a court wizard for ever and a lot of us are planning to put actions towards scouting or getting involved in the military efforts of K8P even if that's not our primary duty. We're not fighting the previous war. We're preparing for the next.
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The French said the same thing when they build the Maginot line.

Prospalz said:
We are going to get more favor this very turn for armor and spider resolution, btw.
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Armor, maybe.

Spiders is just doing our job.
 
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TotallyNotEvil said:
I find this argument absurd, it's merely a flavor of "being too successful makes you a target".
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No, see the point is this: being too successful makes you a target, this is true, but comes with all the abilities that made you that successful to begin with. You pick up a 25 point weapon, and you are delaring yourrself to be in the same League as Magnus the Pious in terms of fighting ability. And Mat just isn't there. She's fit and good, but not Warhero fighting the Everchosen face to face good. She'll never be that good. She spends too much time doing Wizard stuff. If your going to spend 25 points on a tool for matilde, make it a staff. Ask Kragg to make her somthing that helps her control her wind.

A 25 point Sword is just asking for some better frontline fighter to come get it for themseves, like a bloodknight Vampire, the Dark Elves, or Nefrata stealing it. Simple put, getting her a 15-20 point weapon so she can kill stuff beyond her is fine.

But if you are going to go for limits of Runecraft, get the Wizard a Staff! Not a goddam stabby thing.

25 point weapons belong in the Line of Batlle, as armies fight. Mat doesn't belong there. Simple as that.
 
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Say @BoneyM on a theoretical level how does Mathilde think the anti-Dhar dispel stuff would work on Chaos daemons? Since they are essentially made of the stuff.
 
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