Vampires are an eternal scourge, while there is Dhar in the world 'dead' vampires will slowly reform, aborning it. Such is the genius of Nagash and the dark miracle of the Elixir of Life that even he did not fully foretell.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
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Vampires are an eternal scourge, while there is Dhar in the world 'dead' vampires will slowly reform, aborning it. Such is the genius of Nagash and the dark miracle of the Elixir of Life that even he did not fully foretell.
- Location
- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
There is not a lot anyone can do against vampires of that level. Without castle Drakenhof though they will have to completely rebuild their powerbase. Such things take time and you don't need much time for an economic upswing throughout the empire.
Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
Dramatics aside, my main point is that because of our actions the powerbase of the elector count vs vampires is essentially reversed. It's the vampires who now start screwed over and with a dozen fires, while the Elector Count has an entrenched powerbase. It's not impossible for Roswita to die to a vampire, but it's highly unlikely.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
Well, yes, but unless the voter base adopts wildly different priorities over the next three in-game months, it's out of our hands. In the absence of being able to do anything ourselves, I'd rather be baselessly optimistic.
Travler66
Let her name echo in song!
- Location
- Beyond
[X] Travel to Karaz-a-Karak with King Belegar for the striking out of several well-aged grudges.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
[X] You could help the Undumgi and the Ulricans establish themselves.
[X] There's a lot of prime real estate currently unclaimed. Stake out a prime position for a wizard's tower.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
[X] You could help the Undumgi and the Ulricans establish themselves.
[X] There's a lot of prime real estate currently unclaimed. Stake out a prime position for a wizard's tower.
It's reversed militarily yes, but an assassination is not something you do with an army of Sylvanian horrors, all it takes is one ancient vampire with grudges to avenge, secure in the knowledge that even if he does die he will rise again. Roswita cannot say the same, at least she dearly hopes not.
Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
We are perfect for this, I have enjoyed our various scouting (and assassinating, and sabotaging...) adventures greatly, and it needs to be done. Also dwarfs, dwarfs are great, and I would like to keep a close eye on the how the KEP into which we have invested so much develops.
[X] All this time away has made you miss your friends. Visit Anton and Wilhelmina.
We have friends and stuff there. I am not all that interested in messing around there now though. I would be in for redeading more undead, but Mathilda isn't well build for that I don't think, compared to what she could accomplish in KEP.
[X] You're going to have a rough time explaining your windfall to the Bursars. Better to get that over with.
The Grey Order probably has the best intel of any human or dwarf power, or close to it. It also knows our capabilities the best. If we want to make use of our skills effectively for the good of the Empire, this is probably the best choice. Should also provide a lot of interesting, varied opponents and opportunities.
Also, doesn't Ulgu have any long range assassination spells?
We are perfect for this, I have enjoyed our various scouting (and assassinating, and sabotaging...) adventures greatly, and it needs to be done. Also dwarfs, dwarfs are great, and I would like to keep a close eye on the how the KEP into which we have invested so much develops.
[X] All this time away has made you miss your friends. Visit Anton and Wilhelmina.
We have friends and stuff there. I am not all that interested in messing around there now though. I would be in for redeading more undead, but Mathilda isn't well build for that I don't think, compared to what she could accomplish in KEP.
[X] You're going to have a rough time explaining your windfall to the Bursars. Better to get that over with.
The Grey Order probably has the best intel of any human or dwarf power, or close to it. It also knows our capabilities the best. If we want to make use of our skills effectively for the good of the Empire, this is probably the best choice. Should also provide a lot of interesting, varied opponents and opportunities.
Why all this talk about a rifle by the way? Those are not subtle. A crossbow seems like a better idea to me for long range takedowns, should also allow for some Runes and magic imbued bolt shenanigans I suspect if we can get Ulgu attuned wood.
Also, doesn't Ulgu have any long range assassination spells?
Very nicely written and excellently done, Mathilda as a sword swinging, pistol shooting warrior is good, but Mathilda as a Wizard and Combat Thinker is Great, if not fuckn awesome.
This is a nice place for Belegar to take a deep breath, consolidate, fortify and plan for artillery emplacement. Also to write a whole lot of paper-mail, notifying that his Karak is back in business, are not choosy about soldiers and settlers unhappy about trouble in the Empire and they got silver and gold to pay for them.
My thought though, he will insist on doing something properly heroic before settling down with a Queen.
This is not an empire quest, so there's nothing wrong in putting down roots and making riches, and improving Belegar as well.
My vote:
[X] There's a lot of prime real estate currently unclaimed. Stake out a prime position for a wizard's tower.
Having meet your 'god', robbing another god and be a part of an expedition that see firsthand just how deadly Dawi runic are, it stood to reason to pen/pencil down all of it while the memory is still fresh.
I even a recommend for the other Journeymanlings to do the same, perhaps create some-sort of a small school, as it's proven how deadly combined magic users are in comparison to the schools working one on one.
[X] Travel to Karaz-a-Karak with King Belegar for the striking out of several well-aged grudges.
This is an 'intrique' quest, and you cannot get a higher accolades and acknowledgement from higher authority of dwarven 'magic' then Kragg. Use the name and reputation you got to set up a network among the Dwarves.
There be bound to be other Dwarven lords that have something that you can use, or in need of something you can provide.
[x] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
This is related to the first option.
If it wasn't Warhammer I'd advice a halfling caretaker to take care your food and daily sustenance, and perhaps a halfling writer to improve your paper work.
It's safer to use a fellow magic users however.
Also another thing...
This 'Karak' will have a lot of... Waste..
Can we do what we did earlier and create a Niter purification factory? If not for gunpowder, then the halfling can use the fertilizer.
This is a nice place for Belegar to take a deep breath, consolidate, fortify and plan for artillery emplacement. Also to write a whole lot of paper-mail, notifying that his Karak is back in business, are not choosy about soldiers and settlers unhappy about trouble in the Empire and they got silver and gold to pay for them.
My thought though, he will insist on doing something properly heroic before settling down with a Queen.
This is not an empire quest, so there's nothing wrong in putting down roots and making riches, and improving Belegar as well.
My vote:
[X] There's a lot of prime real estate currently unclaimed. Stake out a prime position for a wizard's tower.
Having meet your 'god', robbing another god and be a part of an expedition that see firsthand just how deadly Dawi runic are, it stood to reason to pen/pencil down all of it while the memory is still fresh.
I even a recommend for the other Journeymanlings to do the same, perhaps create some-sort of a small school, as it's proven how deadly combined magic users are in comparison to the schools working one on one.
[X] Travel to Karaz-a-Karak with King Belegar for the striking out of several well-aged grudges.
This is an 'intrique' quest, and you cannot get a higher accolades and acknowledgement from higher authority of dwarven 'magic' then Kragg. Use the name and reputation you got to set up a network among the Dwarves.
There be bound to be other Dwarven lords that have something that you can use, or in need of something you can provide.
[x] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
This is related to the first option.
If it wasn't Warhammer I'd advice a halfling caretaker to take care your food and daily sustenance, and perhaps a halfling writer to improve your paper work.
It's safer to use a fellow magic users however.
Also another thing...
This 'Karak' will have a lot of... Waste..
Can we do what we did earlier and create a Niter purification factory? If not for gunpowder, then the halfling can use the fertilizer.
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- Location
- United States of America
Not really. The longest range assassination spell that I can see on the list is Pit of Shades, which... well it'll kill a person.
- Location
- ferreries
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
[X] There's a lot of prime real estate currently unclaimed. Stake out a prime position for a wizard's tower.
[X] You could help the Undumgi and the Ulricans establish themselves.
[X] There's a lot of prime real estate currently unclaimed. Stake out a prime position for a wizard's tower.
[X] You could help the Undumgi and the Ulricans establish themselves.
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Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
Would probably make it a pretty good spot for a Bright Wizard's tower, since the Forges would be the place a Metal Wizard would stick their tower.
Actually if Wizard towers for the various orders were to be erected where would the best spots for them be?
Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
It still requires you to sneak into the target's home which is guarded by Witch Hunters and a counter-espionage system set up by Mathilde herself. She's no more in danger than any other Elector Count, less so in many ways.
EDIT: I'm not saying that she can't die, but the previous status quo of Stirland where their Elector Counts are in immense danger has been thoroughly erased.
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Witch hunters for all their paranoia are mortal, they have at most decades of experience in playing games of espionage and counter-espionage, an old vampire has centuries, perhaps millennia. They have seen every trick in the book and then some. As for Mathilde's counter-intelligence apparatus, she was what, a journeyman when she made that system? I would not put by hopes into it frustrating a determined vampire coven for long particularly without Mathilde at its heart who knows the system best.
So yes I would say Roswita is in greater danger than other elector counts because is the the daughter of the man who delivered the Silvanian vampires their most stinging defeat in centuries. There are going to be a lot of vampires out for her blood metaphorically and litterally.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Gosh you're right what was I thinking he's clearly no1 Husbando-Bele.
Step aside Dwarven Princess Mat's got first claim.
That's quite literally unbelievably optimistic, vampires don't actually require much of a central base of operations and indeed for things like assassination purposes it's generally better to not have one. Stirland as a whole is safer I agree, the Elector count is not.
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- United States of America
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
I shall fight that pairing to my last breath and beyond!Gosh you're right what was I thinking he's clearly no1 Husbando-Bele.
Step aside Dwarven Princess Mat's got first claim.
There's not a whole lot to do about that though. Roswita's attitude towards magic isn't going to endear her to the Grey College and frankly there's a lot more important things any Magister can do than keeping a single recalcitrant Elector Count safe, particularly considering that Roswita is going to be guarded by witch hunters and the normal forces and Elector Count would have.
Chlof
Her Ladyship
- Pronouns
- She/Her
A lone, unaffiliated vampire would probably be caught by that. The ones who would actually carry a grudge against her, the von carsteins, wouldn't even notice.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Excellent! I'm glad to have your assistance in shipping Best Husbando.
Oh absolutely, I wasn't suggesting Mat should be throwing her effort into helping Roswita out, ultimately she wants nothing to do with us and we've no orders from the grey college to assist so bugger that. She doesn't want a wizard around her and I suggest we respect that desire.
Oh you a most annoying bigoted daughter of my ex-lord, i call thee bait.
For completely business reason, we need to get back there someday, shown her up and overshadow her accomplishment in a manner that would be most positive for the forces of order.
Theres nothing that say fck u to a potential employer that turns you down then overwhelming success.
Kinda like the one we just made in this arc however.
WanderingEye
smol skeleton
So I don't know if this has been brought up yet but
1. Since the mayor/tavern option seems to be winning, what do you guys think about building a branch of EIC here?
We kinda need supplies and stuff for either the tower or the tavern/ any other projects after all.
2. Journeymanlings
I know Esbern and Seija will be leaving and if we can't convince/don't convince them to stay, how about commissioning minor trinkets to aid them? I kinda want to see them more in the future.
Same question for the rest of our Journeymanlings should we or them decided to part ways.
1. Since the mayor/tavern option seems to be winning, what do you guys think about building a branch of EIC here?
We kinda need supplies and stuff for either the tower or the tavern/ any other projects after all.
2. Journeymanlings
I know Esbern and Seija will be leaving and if we can't convince/don't convince them to stay, how about commissioning minor trinkets to aid them? I kinda want to see them more in the future.
Same question for the rest of our Journeymanlings should we or them decided to part ways.
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- Earth
- Location
- his hidden lair
The problem of making the 'lone gunman ancient vampire' argument is that it's sort of immaterial. Mathilde would not be able to stop an ancient vampire even if she was present, not unless she got lucky and had battle-magic on her side. Roswita dying to ancient vampires is something we can't nor could have done anything to prevent. But even in the event Roswita dies the Vamps aren't in any real position to capitalize it. They lost one of if not their greatest strongholds, had the current generation of necromancers drastically purged, had a significant portion of Stirland+Sylvania combed over and purged by an army of the worst/most active threats, lost the vast majority if not entirety of their strategic reserve of horrific gribblies they had buried beneath Drakenhof, etc. etc.
And even if they still made a move- there's nothing stopping although would be retirees that came back from K8P from rearming, and if an undead army like that was mobilizing there's no way Mathilde wouldn't ask Belegar to send aid. And then it becomes Mathilde repeating her performance at the start of the expedition but now with the fact she's got absurd Dwarf Rep and the Stirlanders aid at K8P backing her pleas. The threat of the undead and sylvania is hardly over, but it is in remission, and if they play their hand now they really only stand to lose further. Even killing Roswita is likely to bring in a Witch Hunter replacement if they can prove a vampire did it.
And even if they still made a move- there's nothing stopping although would be retirees that came back from K8P from rearming, and if an undead army like that was mobilizing there's no way Mathilde wouldn't ask Belegar to send aid. And then it becomes Mathilde repeating her performance at the start of the expedition but now with the fact she's got absurd Dwarf Rep and the Stirlanders aid at K8P backing her pleas. The threat of the undead and sylvania is hardly over, but it is in remission, and if they play their hand now they really only stand to lose further. Even killing Roswita is likely to bring in a Witch Hunter replacement if they can prove a vampire did it.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
- Location
- Earth
That...kind of depends on the vampire. To any of the actually dangerous ones (Vlad, Mannfred, Konrad) Drakenhof was just somewhere to be. The threat of the von Carsteins has never been their entrenched power base, it's always been the fact that they can conjure an army fully formed from nothing, require no logistics chain, and replenish their forces with the soldiers that died fighting them.
And yes, Mathilde could ask Belegar for help, and he'd likely go, but that's a several month journey. Mathilde herself could go in a few days, but against the sort of vampire who's historically been a threat to Stirland, she'd likely accomplish jack.
Plus there's always the fact that Sylvania has a habit of just throwing out more threats right after you've exhausted your armies attempting to pacify it. And that it's an undesirable hellhole that doesn't really reward you even if you do succeed in conquering. The Empire's best bet would likely be to just abandon the place and fortify the border, but they won't because of religious and historical pride.
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