Remove ads

Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
Voting is open
Reader mode
[X] The death of the Warboss and the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol.
-[X] But tell Belegar about the weakening of Mork in private.
[X] The residents are weakened, taking the Citadel is now a possibility.
[x] The Citadel should be destroyed before we can consider our position secure.

Still don't have an opinion on Panaoramia but I do like this write in. Its sensible and leaves it up to specifically Belegar if he wants to share it, its not exactly verified or really verifiable information and he can decide how to approach the other Dwarfs about it, and its also an interesting re cast of the same tradition we had with Van Hal which amuses me.

Still mixed feelings and thoughts on the Citadel.
 
[X] The death of the Warboss and the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol.
[X] You'd have done the same once. Tell her you understand, but treat her to a lecture on the risks and dangers of miscasts.
[X] The residents are weakened, taking the Citadel is now a possibility.
 
@BoneyM Does Mathilde think Belegar/Kragg would react badly if we essentially did the "take them aside for ostlander whiskey" report, were we to only mention weakening Mork and Ranald then?

I figure if nothing else, not babbling about chaos dwarves in front of everyone is a big courtesy.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
@BoneyM Does Mathilde think Belegar/Kragg would react badly if we essentially did the "take them aside for ostlander whiskey" report, were we to only mention weakening Mork and Ranald then?

I figure if nothing else, not babbling about chaos dwarves in front of everyone is a big courtesy.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Not babbling about chaos dwarves at all is probably the best and sanest option because holy shit is that subject Taboo.
 
Gingganz said:
Who are you talking to here? I certainly don't want to gloat. Unless we want to bring up Ranald I see no reason to claim that Mathilde conned Mork. We can just make the loss of power sound like a consequence of the failed ritual to split Gorn and Mork.

This wouldn't even be a lie, it would just omit part of the truth.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
The 'spinmaster' approach that many QM see and detest.

See, the gray college and the sigmar church in WH aren't idiots without the expertise that might gloss over the idea with 'a wizard did it'.

They hear 'wizard detected a God was weakened' and they're going to ask details - it would be very helpful to reproduce that. Details you're going to have to lie about more completely and risk detection, not to mention mathilde has other secrets. All of this being a major risk for essentially nothing.

It's not just or even most of it being 'Ranald' that 'helped' that is dangerous, it's

'Mork punched into my soul, possessed me for revenge because i was Brutal yet Cunning and i managed to do something that made it backfire (not that big a deal right, at least it wasn't Tzeentch)'.

'What's the 'something' Mathilde?'

'Oh lol, nothing much, i just punched the idol that he wanted to punch!'.
 
Last edited:
BungieONI said:
Not babbling about chaos dwarves at all is probably the best and sanest option because holy shit is that subject Taboo.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

That's one for the eyes of the Grey College alone. I'm vaguely surprised knowledge of them hasn't triggered another hidden memory packer, although it might if Mathilde stops to think about them.

SCO said:
The 'spinmaster' approach that many QM see and detest.

See, the gray college and the sigmar church in WH aren't idiots without the expertise that might gloss over the idea with 'a wizard did it'.

They hear 'wizard detected God was weakened' and they're going to ask details - it would be very helpful to find stuff like. Details you're going to have to lie about more completely and risk detection, not to mention mathilde has other secrets.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

We can tell the truth to the Grey College authorities, and the Sigmarite Cult will probably violently not want to know, and would have severe jurisdictional issues.
 
As someone who very much feels that we should not talk about Mork, can we please stop calling the people who do want to idiots who think of nothing but their own desire to brag? It accomplishes nothing but insulting the other side, which has presented many arguments.
Guile said:
You can't just like, investigate a lady's soul hole, man.

Rude.

"Did I ever tell you the story of how I spent three years getting chased by a Warp creature through mirrors?"

Sound all friendly and conversational, but if she's intelligent at all she'll understand it's a warning on the dangers of miscast. There's a Grey Wizard lesson for you.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Other great anecdotes include our own restraint last update and the glorious miscast conga line of the sylvania campaign.
BungieONI said:
Not babbling about chaos dwarves at all is probably the best and sanest option because holy shit is that subject Taboo.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Indeed. Mathilde understands the dwarf view on shared guilt, so she probably realizes that being reminded that there's a splinter dwarf faction that would be stacking grudges on them if any other species had grudges would burn for them.
 
SCO said:
The 'spinmaster' approach that many QM see and detest.

See, the gray college and the sigmar church in WH aren't idiots without the expertise that might gloss over the idea with 'a wizard did it'.

They hear 'wizard detected God was weakened' and they're going to ask details - it would be very helpful to reproduce that. Details you're going to have to lie about more completely and risk detection, not to mention mathilde has other secrets.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

The church of Sigmar has literally no authority over us, the colleges can tell them to mind their own business unless they want to enroll and as for the Grey College there is no reason not to tell them the full truth.
 
If a wizard is a member in good standing of a College of Magic and there does not exist incontrovertible proof that they have breached the Articles of Imperial Magic, the sole legal interaction a Witch Hunter can have with that wizard is to ask them nicely for their help. This is not 40k and Witch Hunters are not the Inquisition.

TotallyNotEvil said:
@BoneyM Does Mathilde think Belegar/Kragg would react badly if we essentially did the "take them aside for ostlander whiskey" report, were we to only mention weakening Mork and Ranald then?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Kragg is unlikely to play along, but Belegar would likely be amenable to it.
 
BlackWink said:
They could be asked to check it out, one bad roll and everything comes out.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Witchsight is personal, and interpreting the harbingers left behind by what happened would be far beyond a Journeyman. Probably far beyond any human wizard. This is almost unprecedented, so the random visions left behind would also be.

It would also be a massive insult to ask Journeyman to investigate and reveal the secrets of a Guild Masters' craft. That would be a killing level Grudge offence for a dwarf. It's simply pretty much unthinkable to that they'd do this.
 
Last edited:
Alratan said:
Would the excuse of a more detailed debriefing on technical details of the ritual that we don't want to share with the uninitiated fly with him?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Overkill, if anything. This'd work just as well:

"Yo, Belebro, a word?"
"Sure thing, Matty."

Edit: or if you mean Kragg, the way to do that is to ask Belegar to wrangle him. You pretty much gotta be a Dwarf King to get Kragg to lower the cantankerous bastard even a few notches.
 
Last edited:
OneirosTheWriter said:
Codrin Petrescu may nae be a man of religion, of cloth and silence or of hammers and fury. But a villein of Stirland he remains though the tramp of marching men brings him far from the woods and meadows he called his own, to this land of jagged rock and stone. Superstition isn't just a dabbled art for one such as he, but a matter so enjoined to his life that it were as marrow to him. It comes in with every breath of the mountain air, leaves with every exhale. In every rock there he finds an omen, in every cloud a sign. From the wind comes tomorrow's whisper, from the still pools the truth of times past. So Codrin is a man attuned to the nature of the world that surrounds him. And though he is not a religious man...
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Looking back at this now that it's canon, it looks like Codrin has the witchsight and can thus be recruited for the Colleges. Alternately, he could become a priest and be able to perform actual miracles.
 
Playing word games with the side stories is only going to result in there no longer being any side stories.

Side story, in the context of this quest, means it depicts events that could have happened. Everything that happens in it is at least broadly compatible with quest canon. But it's not a back door to sneak wizard promotions through.
 
Last edited:
Alratan said:
That's one for the eyes of the Grey College alone. I'm vaguely surprised knowledge of them hasn't triggered another hidden memory packer, although it might if Mathilde stops to think about them.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I'm not really, because the Dwarfs do not talk about it ever anywhere anyone other than the dwarf they are intending to tell can hear it. It would make a lot of sense to me that the Grey simply doesn't know about the Dawi-Zharr because they are that big of a shame for the Dwarfs.
 
I'd be up for changing over to a Whiskey report in private with those two, but I don't see how we'd go about voting for it. A downside to having ridiculous voter numbers is that bandwagons are almost invincible this late in the game.
 
BoneyM said:
Playing word games with the side stories is only going to result in there no longer being any side stories.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I didn't think this was word games so much as basically explicitly stated. Codrin is seeing magical phenomenon, which according to Realms of Sorcery is one of the three possible signs that someone has magical potential. The other two being feeling magic (becoming emotional or sweating when around Aqshy, for instance), and being able to manipulate magic (either by blatantly performing magic or just being lucky). Notably, few potential mages have all three, with the ones that do having the highest potential. I thought that's what you were going for when canonizing it.

I'm sorry if I was reading more into it than you though.
 
Last edited:
Thor's Twin said:
The Grey Order likely has torturers of their own, and even if they don't, we are. And we are a member of the Grey Order. We might do a whole lot of other things than torturing people, but if push comes to shove? We are trained to do it and are fully capable of it.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

And that's Mathilde at the beginning of her career. Later she got more... creative.

BoneyM said:
With so much of the League in custody, you've got plenty of chance to practice the arts of intrigue. You perform dozens of interrogations, then Mindhole the participants and interrogate them again. You turn them against each other, against the League, against their backers; you pull every scrap of information out of their head over and over and over. You engineer a phoney escape attempt, pretending to be in the previous Spymaster's employ. Then you engineer another, pretending to be in your own employ, and it's amazing how many of them would agree to become a mole in the League if offered their freedom - if it wasn't utterly dismantled, it'd be trivial to destroy it. You see their faces fill with desperate hope as they slip out of their cells and down the corridor, and see their expression fall as they run into a wall of Greatswords waiting for them.


After you've convinced three of them in a row that you're their long-lost and long-forgotten sister by using the details of their youth they told you before you Mindholed them, you realize you've reached the limits of what can be learned with a captive audience like this. But you've learned so much about what makes people tick, and what would make them break down.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

That smol wizard you see? Do net get on her bad side.
 
Last edited:
notanautomaton said:
I didn't think this was word games so much as basically explicitly stated. Codrin is seeing magical phenomenon, which according to Realms of Sorcery is one of the three possible signs that someone has magical potential. The other two being feeling magic (becoming emotional or sweating when around Aqshy, for instance), and being able to manipulate magic (either by blatantly performing magic or just being lucky). Notably, few potential mages have all three, with the ones that do having the highest potential. I thought that's what you were going for when canonizing it.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
It's more like he just practices real superstitions that actually have useful results (in so much as 0.01 is technically a positive number). We would have noticed if he were a potential wizard (as would any of the other colleges, or the Shrubbery Conspiracy).
 
Reader mode
You must login or register to reply here.
Voting is open
Remove ads
Back
Top