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My terror intensifies, we already got confirmation that Option Two is going to get our point across but people just want to keep pushing for more when we've already pushed our luck to the breaking point
 
Later, there'll be meetings and celebration and ale, but for now things are near enough to settled. With another extremely dubious look at the Warboss' former bed, you instead clamber atop the pile of wealth to perch upon the second-softest thing in the room: a rolled-up rug, presumably from Ind or beyond. To the sound of the grumbling thunder of a fading storm, you quickly surrender to fatigue and fall asleep.
Anyone else get the impression of Mathilde being a cat here? Climbing onto the one comfortable thing in the room and curling up atop it for a good nap. No? Only me? Ok.
 
Why? What can they do about it and what would the orcs do they wouldn't do anyway?

Gloating and boasting about conning Mork is kind of in character, if she were 14 maybe. Otherwise there is no point except chasing favor and risking witchhunters.
 
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[X] The death of the Warboss, the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol, and the weakening of Mork.
[X] You'd have done the same once. Tell her you understand, but treat her to a lecture on the risks and dangers of miscasts.
[X] The residents are weakened, taking the Citadel is now a possibility.
 
Asking the Journeymanlings would be the very first step they take.

And you expect the journeymen to be able to make that judgement? I doubt anyone short of a wizard lord would be able to read the traces of the event hours after the fact, and their magical senses mostr certainly did not reach inside the mountain while they were in the middle of pitched battle.

Why? What can they do about it and what would the orcs do they wouldn't do anyway?

Gloating and boasting about conning Mork is kind of in character, if she were 14 maybe. Otherwise there is no point except chasing favor and risking witchhunters.

How exactly are we risking witch hunters of all things? There has never been a human corrupted by greenskins and in any case we would not be recounting the part about being empowered by Mork.
 
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Why? What can they do about it and what would the orcs do they wouldn't do anyway?

Gloating and boasting about conning Mork is kind of in character, if she were 14 maybe. Otherwise there is no point except chasing favor and risking witchhunters.
I think it is cool that the dwarves will know that all greenskins, gods included, can bleed.
 
We aren't going to be shouting this to every soldier here; we're telling the other leaders. If you think that there's a chance we've personally ticked off Mork enough for him to hold a grudge against this expedition, then that's something they need to know.
You say this like the greenskins don't already object to the Reclamation. We just gave them a solid whuping after taking two mountains. Every orc and goblin that could have beef with Belegar already does.
 
Your 'almost certainty' should be more of a 'could theoretically'.

Unknown factors in this equation:
Does the magic for Waaagh spells come directly from the gods, from the shamans, or from both?
Would a reduction in available magic make shamans more or less prone to miscast?
If the gods supply part of the energy, do they grant a tiny percentage of their total power or a set amount of power?
Do the gods 'budget' their power or do they just spend what they have at hand?
Do they divide their energy and attention amongst different tasks or do they focus on one thing at a time?
Will Mork regenerate the lost power? What limits the power of gods?

Mathilde would need to become one of the world's foremost theological experts just to begin to guess with any certainty what the long-term repercussions of what happened are.
Yeah based on this, we are in no way presenting valuable strategic information, and not even on the scale of Karak Eight Peaks. We disrupted a ritual and destroyed an idol and they went wild, that's accurate and truthful and doesn't overly complicate things.
 
[X] The death of the Warboss, the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol, and the weakening of Mork.
[X] You'd have done the same once. Tell her you understand, but treat her to a lecture on the risks and dangers of miscasts.
[X] The residents are weakened, taking the Citadel is now a possibility.
 
[X] The death of the Warboss and the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol.

I feel talking about Mork beyond the schism is just opening a can of worms. Like if we had rolled the Goblin/Ork Civil war then yeah mention it but as it is I don't think it is really as important as some people think it is nor is the potential backlash meaningless
 
And you expect the journeymen to be able to make that judgement? I doubt anyone short of a wizard lord would be able to read the traces of the event hours after the fact, and their magical senses mostr certainly did not reach inside the mountain while they were in the middle of pitched battle.

Yes, I do. Admitaly I'm not the most familiar with how Magic works in whf but from what I've seen (the more magic) = (more noticeable)
 
[X] The death of the Warboss and the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol.
[X] You'd have done the same once. Tell her you understand, but treat her to a lecture on the risks and dangers of miscasts.
[X] The residents are weakened, taking the Citadel is now a possibility.
 
How exactly are we risking witch hunters of all things? There has never been a human corrupted by greenskins and in any case we would not be recounting the part about being empowered by Mork.
Expecting rationality from bigots that are your avowed (and mutual) enemies is usually a fatal mistake. As for 'how' -> mercenary captains or leaders hear about it -> gossip on the empire -> Sigmar fanatics hear about it (one of those being the next Grey patriarch) -> you're getting the 3rd degree from multiple organizations that are suspicious of any godly interaction with wizards because you wanted to showboat 5 ingame years ago.

Can any of you folks voting for this tell me right in my metaphorical face that if in the next, oh, 4th strategic turn you getting a small inquisition and/or gray brainwashing that coincidentally finds the fucking Liber Mortis because of this bullshit (from several bad rolls), that you wouldn't blow your top and cry about <unfairness> as you get 'roll for survival' and 'roll to abandon empire with nothing but your clothes'?
 
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I think @BlackWink's point is that if Mathilde has actually weakened Mork, then the dwarves will insist on granting her favours to avoid being indebted to her, whether Mathilde wants them to or not.

However, before granting big favours, they will also want to know what exactly happened.

So Mathilde will come under scrutiny even if she doesn't ask for any reward.

I don't know enough about dwarf psychology to be sure, but it sounds plausible. Bloody Dwarves.

Though, if we only claim that Mork might be weakened (but we are not certain), then they they can avoid granting favours until they have made sure that Mork has actually suffered significant damage. Which will probably occur about 5 minutes after Chaos has eaten the world.
 
[X] The death of the Warboss, the shattering of an Almost-Rogue Idol, and the weakening of Mork.
[X] You'd have done the same once. Tell her you understand, but treat her to a lecture on the risks and dangers of miscasts.
-[X] But do praise her initiative. That she could judge how close to the edge she was. She exceeded your expectations. You did not think she had so much mortal and magical endurance. You will certainly take that into consideration for future plans and be sure to assign her more difficult tasks. How did fighting after casting all night and on no sleep go? On that topic, how does she feel about miscasts and was there any trouble during the battle?
[X] The residents are weakened, taking the Citadel is now a possibility.

Ok, awesome update- suitably epic to pay off the god fight last chapter. I'm really here for developing pan into our own poison ivy expy, and I think in character she's a hell of a lot more likely to stick with us than the golds. Let's invest.

Citadel is needed: given the descriptions of the caldera, we will see basically endless numbers out of there, same as Skaven from underneath. This really is about building a fortress under fire, so knowing we want to at least look in at all the other 'up to something' warbosses in the other peaks, I will vote for contiguous borders containing defensible farmland every time. Citadel gets us east valley.

I'm assuming trolls are monsters without much agency? Ie, they will mostly remain in place if we don't go in after them, and so walling up the exits from that karag is easier than taking it; with the bonus of creating a buffer state.
 
Expecting rationality from bigots that are your avowed enemies is usually a fatal mistake. As for 'how' -> mercenary captains or leaders hear about it -> gossip on the empire -> Sigmar fanatics hear about it (one of those being the next Grey patriarch) -> you're getting the 3rd degree from multiple organizations that are suspicious of any godly interaction with wizards because you wanted to showboat 5 ingame years ago.

Can any of you folks voting for this tell me right in my metaphorical face that if in the next, oh, 4th strategic turn you getting a small inquisition and/or gray brainwashing that coincidentally finds the fucking Liber Mortis because of this bullshit (from several bad rolls), that you wouldn't blow your top and cry about <unfairness>?

I'm not expecting rationality, I'm expecting consistency. No one in all the history of the world has ever gotten corrupted by a grenskin, thus no one will suspect any such possibility for the same reason they do not suspect that it will suddenly start raining cobras on the morrow and invest in snake-proof umbrellas. So yes I can tell you right in your face that there is no inquisition since this is not 40K and even if it were they never heard of anyone getting corrupted by greneskins either.
 
Well...there is indeed the possibility of us being called out by Kragg, especially if he confirms his suspicions of us being involved via discerning the literal hole in our soul...
You can't just like, investigate a lady's soul hole, man.

Rude.
We could also regale her with spooky ghost stories about miscasts.

I mean, Mathilde both has her own experience with them, and she's pretty much ideally suited to tell spooky stories around a campfire. Lights dim, the campfire simmers out, strange shadows creep around the clearing. A thin mist seems to appear out of nowhere, coiling around the attendees. From the darkness, glowing eyes stare directly at the listeners.
"Did I ever tell you the story of how I spent three years getting chased by a Warp creature through mirrors?"

Sound all friendly and conversational, but if she's intelligent at all she'll understand it's a warning on the dangers of miscast. There's a Grey Wizard lesson for you.
 
And i was expecting not to have to get into this delayed danger situation for no reason except Dwarven favor. Maybe we'll both get disappointed.
 
Gloating and boasting about conning Mork is kind of in character, if she were 14 maybe. Otherwise there is no point except chasing favor and risking witchhunters.
Who are you talking to here? I certainly don't want to gloat. Unless we want to bring up Ranald I see no reason to claim that Mathilde conned Mork. We can just make the loss of power sound like a consequence of the failed ritual to split Gorn and Mork.

This wouldn't even be a lie, it would just omit part of the truth.
 
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