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Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
- Thread starter yrsillar
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- Original Fantasy
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
Sixiang is likely to be a heavy social spirit. In the short term They are probably a loss (though arguably we could unbind her for the tournament week) but they are going to make up for it by helping us with social issues that are bound to crop up now that we have chosen the CRX route, they are going to strongly help us with creating our own arts (as well as maybe stealing their arts), and the bonus passives will help, too.
It's also plausible that while they might not be the strongest they can arguably fight just as well as weaker third grade spirits, especially as we are good at support.
Probably not. They need us to stay corporal, remember?
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[X] It's time to finish this, one way or the other, infiltrate Yan Renshu's base and break the back of his operation for good.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
Probable, but it's plausible that binding them until then would give them enough juice to stay on for that duration.
notanautomaton
I've got 99 quests, I've finished one
[X] It's time to finish this, one way or the other, infiltrate Yan Renshu's base and break the back of his operation for good.
-[X] Invite Meizhen along
-[X] Invite Meizhen along
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- The Temple of the Winds
The issue is that it isn't "FVM7, or AM5" but rather "FVM7, or 2-3 other Arts being leveled to Green"
While i think it might be possible to get everthing if we only do closed door training until the tournament, it deeply annoys me that we not only lose a ton of minor actions with it, we also seem to lose most of the story too.
We go from what is 5 major + 5 minors per week to what should be 6 major + 4 minors, but as shown in the past two updates is actually a lot less:
week 45 :
# CRX Major + maybe CRX minor (?)
# Tutor Major
# Su Ling Major
# couple paragraphs that might count as a overall minor if you're particularly generous
Week 46:
# Mother Minor, though you could count it as a strange major + minor due to length
# Xiulan Minor
# Sixiang Minor
# couple paragraphs that might count as a overall minor
Seriously, unless we start regarding a couple of lines as a major or minor action, the new system of closed doors means half the story gets cut off.
Sixiang makes me think more of a chipmunk on a sugar high than about a social butterfly.
Besides hasn't s/he just shown us how little s/he actually knows about humans and their interactions ?
How is it supposed to help Qi Ling in anything "social" ?
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I'm not sure what you are surprised by. We basically got two non-tutor minors a week, which is exactly what we SHOULD get on a week with Tutoring (-1 minor) and Closed Door (-2 minors).
It boggles my mind that people would somehow expect Closed Door to not result in less minors, when that is explicitly its thing.
Less story per in-game week, but an equivalent per real-life week.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
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- France
Huh, that's kind of the opposite? I mean, we are getting most of the story anyway, it will just have a bit less thorough interaction with our friends who... are also doing closed door lately. Going closed door ourself means more regular training with friends as well as more regular missions and tutoring, all of them being story.
Anyway, if we don't do closed door FVM7 costs us an art like AM5 or AC5. If we do closed door, it might not cost us that. So, no, it shouldn't be "it cost us 2-3 arts", even if we decide to not do closed door. AC5 is obviously going to be really strong given it's both getting to green as well as capstone, but we have seen that argent arts are not adapted to our fighting style, hence "literally any other arts we have is probably better". FVM7 itself is a 500 successes meridian opening odd art level, meaning it should also give a new tech (like AC5/AS3/AM5/TRF5).
We have seen in the previous scene that while Sixiang is alien to the human world, they are very much better than Ling Qi at being social.
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They don't understand humans. They understand diplomacy, and thus could do more in 10 minutes than an hour of Ling Qi standing awkwardly around reminding people that she probably ransacked their underwear drawer at some point.
Probably a bit more than Zhengui gives. Sixiang is Green after all, and we know the rather large gap between Red Zhengui and Yellow Zhengui binding bonuses.
I don't think that is a fair portrayal; you aren't properly listing the tradeoffs that go into each category.
FVM7 costs 500 successes. It is absolutely impossible to get it for free; you have to give up something. At best, what you give up is "free time". This is why you got away with saying that "if we do closed door, it might not cost us that." Closed door means we have 1 extra major action a week that is "free", and if you use it up in the FVM7-case you aren't giving up any allocated art in the no-FVM7-case. But you are still giving up the "free" actions there, and "free" actions are not actually free. They come with an opportunity cost - maybe pushing Arts that we weren't otherwise planning to push, maybe practicing formations, maybe doing something else. Point is, you can't just use up that valuable potential and say that it costs nothing.
- Location
- The Void
[X] It's time to finish this, one way or the other, infiltrate Yan Renshu's base and break the back of his operation for good.
-[X] Invite Meizhen along
I'll have Ling Qi back off the minute Yan Renshu cries uncle and not a minute before. We have no guarantee that this dude has decided to cut his losses after all.
While I do want to make sure we aren't making some sort of faux pas by not telling Cai what we are doing, her option seems more like having her take care of it.
-[X] Invite Meizhen along
I'll have Ling Qi back off the minute Yan Renshu cries uncle and not a minute before. We have no guarantee that this dude has decided to cut his losses after all.
While I do want to make sure we aren't making some sort of faux pas by not telling Cai what we are doing, her option seems more like having her take care of it.
Sixiang is one of the best spirit we can have.
Not only as a moon fairy she can be trained (?) into an husbando, but she would aldo be great for cultivating. Her combat ability is somewhat secondary to how she would help our cultivation (on another note, I wonder if some people have combat spirits and cultivations spirits and swap them depending on which is the best atm).
Aside, it would continue the trend of us taking in spirit and caring for them regardless of their combat ability.
Not only as a moon fairy she can be trained (?) into an husbando, but she would aldo be great for cultivating. Her combat ability is somewhat secondary to how she would help our cultivation (on another note, I wonder if some people have combat spirits and cultivations spirits and swap them depending on which is the best atm).
Aside, it would continue the trend of us taking in spirit and caring for them regardless of their combat ability.
@archangis that is incredibly gross. Like, outrageously gross. I seriously legitimately considered dropping the quest forever and never looking back because of that statement. Just for a moment that flashed by, but wow.
Eww.
Eww.
One of the Eldars did essentially that with his moon spirit wife.
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Though she may have been embellishing a tad.
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notanautomaton
I've got 99 quests, I've finished one
[X] It's time to finish this, one way or the other, infiltrate Yan Renshu's base and break the back of his operation for good.
-[X] Invite Meizhen along
-[X] Invite Meizhen along
I support not randomly deciding that we should try looking at people who Ling Qi has no romantic interest in as romantic prospects.
Romance is fine. Conjecturing about romance is fine, even if it can be distasteful at times. Shoving characters together in the hope that they will eventually decide to mate is gross.
If (and this is a big if) Ling Qi was to start liking Sixiang romantically, we can talk about their positive qualities as a romantic partner. Until then, could we please not?
Romance is fine. Conjecturing about romance is fine, even if it can be distasteful at times. Shoving characters together in the hope that they will eventually decide to mate is gross.
If (and this is a big if) Ling Qi was to start liking Sixiang romantically, we can talk about their positive qualities as a romantic partner. Until then, could we please not?
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- United States of America
So, on the topic of FVM7, and should we do it, I'm going to put my own thoughts out there.
First off, FVM7 needs another meridian, specifically a heart. Of which we have a spare from our breakthrough bonus. So if we were to go for it we would be able to fill in one of our blank meridians. Nice, but... not super important.
There are, however, narrative reasons to go for FVM7. Of which, is weekly training with our tutor. We like training with her, we like working with her, and she has paid massive amounts of dividends regarding mechanical benefits (2 specialties, of which one was a level 2 version, from her lessons alone).
A mechanical reason is for the domain dice. We have a total of 6 arts that give domain dice (TRF, SCS, PLR, AE, AM, FVM). Of those, SCS and PLR should be done in 2 weeks of work, TRF should be done in 3 weeks, and AM, AE, and FVM will take longer than that. This means that AM, AE, and FVM are the most consistent way for us to get Domain dice over the next 5 weeks. If we train FVM for 5 weeks, the minimum amount of domain xp should be about 30, which is about 1/3 of the progress we need to make from a single art.
However, if we go for FVM7, I don't think that we will be able to get AM5 (or AE4 should we choose AM over AE) or much progress on the other argent arts. Just looking at the actions available per week and what we would want to do means that we would only have 2 or 3 weeks to get the three argent arts time to cultivate and that amount of time is probably not going to be able to get to AM5, let alone AC or AS.
Now, FVM7 is an odd level that also needs another meridian. This makes me think that there would be another technique involved. Which is enticing. Is it enticing enough to forgo either AM5 or AE4 (along with the other argent arts)? I personally think so. I believe that the training with Zeqing will be beneficial narratively (if not mechanically) that the potential to have one of our primary arts be 1 level away from completion by the time of the tournament and to see the mechanical upgrades that would entail is enticing enough to forgo one of our other arts.
First off, FVM7 needs another meridian, specifically a heart. Of which we have a spare from our breakthrough bonus. So if we were to go for it we would be able to fill in one of our blank meridians. Nice, but... not super important.
There are, however, narrative reasons to go for FVM7. Of which, is weekly training with our tutor. We like training with her, we like working with her, and she has paid massive amounts of dividends regarding mechanical benefits (2 specialties, of which one was a level 2 version, from her lessons alone).
A mechanical reason is for the domain dice. We have a total of 6 arts that give domain dice (TRF, SCS, PLR, AE, AM, FVM). Of those, SCS and PLR should be done in 2 weeks of work, TRF should be done in 3 weeks, and AM, AE, and FVM will take longer than that. This means that AM, AE, and FVM are the most consistent way for us to get Domain dice over the next 5 weeks. If we train FVM for 5 weeks, the minimum amount of domain xp should be about 30, which is about 1/3 of the progress we need to make from a single art.
However, if we go for FVM7, I don't think that we will be able to get AM5 (or AE4 should we choose AM over AE) or much progress on the other argent arts. Just looking at the actions available per week and what we would want to do means that we would only have 2 or 3 weeks to get the three argent arts time to cultivate and that amount of time is probably not going to be able to get to AM5, let alone AC or AS.
Now, FVM7 is an odd level that also needs another meridian. This makes me think that there would be another technique involved. Which is enticing. Is it enticing enough to forgo either AM5 or AE4 (along with the other argent arts)? I personally think so. I believe that the training with Zeqing will be beneficial narratively (if not mechanically) that the potential to have one of our primary arts be 1 level away from completion by the time of the tournament and to see the mechanical upgrades that would entail is enticing enough to forgo one of our other arts.
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well, it's at least heavily implied they slept together after the Moon Party where they met...
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Let's not go there? We know for certain that Ling Qi is only 15 years old right now and I'm not sure if she was 14 at the time of the party.
So before we go down that whole rabbit hole lets consider that.
So before we go down that whole rabbit hole lets consider that.
That's exactly what happened to Xin and it's common enough that one of the sisters want to do so.
Moon spirits are the diy waifu of the setting.
Aside, dropping a quest because someone that follow it too said something gross is weird. Why would anyone abandon something because other people they find "gross" like it too is beyond me.
If by "slept together" you mean literally slept in the same place, then yes.