Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

[X] It's time to finish this, one way or the other, infiltrate Yan Renshu's base and break the back of his operation for good.
-[X] Invite Meizhen along
 
I mostly don't want to tell Cai because the option seems like we're going to be deferring the action to her. Renshu has been our and Bai's thing; I hate it when a friend invites one of their friends to a thing that we're already doing without at least asking for my input. If it was just "Hey boss, going to go beat a guy with a stick. See you later," then that's fine. If it's more "Hey boss, I want to beat a guy with a stick. how should we do it?" then that feels like we're pulling other people into one of the only things we're still doing with Bai that isn't training.

I agree with everything you said so I'm basically going to add that extra write-in of just giving Cai a heads-up. I am pretty chill just handling this with Bai and I don't really see why it'd be a problem, but at the same time I have no wish to accidentally go off the Cai reservation somehow on this issue.

[X] It's time to finish this, one way or the other, infiltrate Yan Renshu's base and break the back of his operation for good.
-[X] Invite Meizhen along


Undone: but first inform Cai about our plans. While we do not necessarily need any help from her, she should be kept aware of significant actions like this. If she has any wishes on the matter, we can adjust our plans if needed.

Honestly I am pretty ok with either side winning as long as we don't take the Peace option.

EDIT: The subvote attracted no support and now it's being used in an attempt to split the vote so I got rid of mine.
 
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Well, I'd note that Renshu was arguably ours and Cai's thing originally - and then Meizhen stuck her nose in later.

But yeah, that's the problem. People are arguably fighting over different interpretations of what the options mean.

And I agree with you there - I don't want to be going to Cai like "what do? Halp" either. This was why I tried to clarify matters in my write-in. Because as far as I can tell, what the people arguing for Cai are arguing for is that we have a responsibility to make sure Cai's in the loop, and that we aren't creating problems for her.

@yrsillar, would you be able to expand on what you were intending with the options here? How should we be reading the Cai option? Is go with Meizhen supposed to be the loose cannon option?
 
[X] It's time to finish this, one way or the other, infiltrate Yan Renshu's base and break the back of his operation for good.
-[X] Invite Meizhen along

What time is it? AdventureLoot time!
 
Also, @Erebeal, it seems we have only 5 weeks left, making FVM7 a more costly achievement (though still doable without losing anything if we do closed door).

As far as I can tell, if we keep the same relevant pill usage for the next 5 weeks, we get 82.6 successes per action training FVM with Zeqing. We have 1 success now, so adding that together is a mean of 414 successes after 5 actions. Is the plan to burn two extra actions on half-strength XP, which would get us to 496.6 (making up the rest maybe with random user content, or possibly cultivation bonuses from a Sixiang bind)? I would be in favor as I think the loss of 1 full action's worth of cultivation is worth the strong benefit that FVM provides in the tourney, not to mention all the reliable Domain XP and the benefit of not having to ignore Zeqing for over a month.
 
As far as I can tell, if we keep the same relevant pill usage for the next 5 weeks, we get 82.6 successes per action training FVM with Zeqing. We have 1 success now, so adding that together is a mean of 414 successes after 5 actions. Is the plan to burn two extra actions on half-strength XP, which would get us to 496.6 (making up the rest maybe with random user content, or possibly cultivation bonuses from a Sixiang bind)? I would be in favor as I think the loss of 1 full action's worth of cultivation is worth the strong benefit that FVM provides in the tourney, not to mention all the reliable Domain XP and the benefit of not having to ignore Zeqing for over a month.
Problem is our budget is already under serious strain, and we are currently prioritizing Talisman loadouts over that kind of pill indulgence.
 
As far as I can tell, if we keep the same relevant pill usage for the next 5 weeks, we get 82.6 successes per action training FVM with Zeqing. We have 1 success now, so adding that together is a mean of 414 successes after 5 actions. Is the plan to burn two extra actions on half-strength XP, which would get us to 496.6 (making up the rest maybe with random user content, or possibly cultivation bonuses from a Sixiang bind)? I would be in favor as I think the loss of 1 full action's worth of cultivation is worth the strong benefit that FVM provides in the tourney, not to mention all the reliable Domain XP and the benefit of not having to ignore Zeqing for over a month.
We have a bit less dice (we can't use a GSS every weeks, and no SLP dice), so we are likely to get only 70/actions at first, though hopefully binding Sixiang could bring that closer to 80/actions. We are also at 14/500 (the successes counted were a bit wrong as we should have had +4 last week, and there were 11 omake points used, not 2).

The hope is to close the gap with EPC (stealth/discovery etc) successes, as those can give 30-60/week extra successes to FVM. The issue there is PLR and SCS, as PLR needs one week of EPC successes to get to 1 training action, and SCS can need either 2 training actions or 1 training action +1 EPC. AE might or might not also need some EPC successes depending on our actual plans for getting to AE4.

So, need to sit down to do some actual calcs of actions for the rest of the year in pessimistic non-Sixiang scenario, however from what I am seeing if we are willing to go closed door every weeks FVM7 should at worse cost us some of our leeway actions.
Problem is our budget is already under serious strain, and we are currently prioritizing Talisman loadouts over that kind of pill indulgence.
Yeah, we can't do last week loadout, but we shouldn't need to.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Killer_Whale on Apr 30, 2018 at 3:06 AM, finished with 181 posts and 68 votes.
 
We have a bit less dice (we can't use a GSS every weeks, and no SLP dice), so we are likely to get only 70/actions at first, though hopefully binding Sixiang could bring that closer to 80/actions. We are also at 14/500 (the successes counted were a bit wrong as we should have had +4 last week, and there were 11 omake points used, not 2).

The hope is to close the gap with EPC (stealth/discovery etc) successes, as those can give 30-60/week extra successes to FVM. The issue there is PLR and SCS, as PLR needs one week of EPC successes to get to 1 training action, and SCS can need either 2 training actions or 1 training action +1 EPC. AE might or might not also need some EPC successes depending on our actual plans for getting to AE4.

So, need to sit down to do some actual calcs of actions for the rest of the year in pessimistic non-Sixiang scenario, however from what I am seeing if we are willing to go closed door every weeks FVM7 should at worse cost us some of our leeway actions.

Yeah, we can't do last week loadout, but we shouldn't need to.
Hey if it can be done I'm all for it, but we'll see what happens after next week.

At the very least, if we go for FVM7 and keep the Argent stuff we had in mind, we could cut out AE4 and spend a couple actions on Formations training.

We won't need it for it's Domain EXP by that point, and the Horror's relevance as a guaranteed Green Combatant simply can't be underestimated.
 
I feel like you're trying to start one of those "we can use those actions to go for an archive art" debates all over again, and I just dont have the energy for that right now :V
Nah that's not an argument until later on. The argument I want to start is that the argent arts aren't worth dropping AE over. They aren't worth dropping anything over.
 
[X] It's time to finish this, one way or the other, infiltrate Yan Renshu's base and break the back of his operation for good.
-[X] Invite Meizhen along
 
[X] It's time to finish this, one way or the other, infiltrate Yan Renshu's base and break the back of his operation for good.
-[X] Invite Meizhen along
 
Nah that's not an argument until later on. The argument I want to start is that the argent arts aren't worth dropping AE over. They aren't worth dropping anything over.
eeeeeeeehh, as one of our primary defensive arts I submit that AM5 is worth it, though the utility of other green argent arts is debatable. And yes, AM is our primary spiritual defense/perception art, so unless you want to go on an archive dive for something better then training that one at least should be done.
 
eeeeeeeehh, as one of our primary defensive arts I submit that AM5 is worth it, though the utility of other green argent arts is debatable. And yes, AM is our primary spiritual defense/perception art, so unless you want to go on an archive dive for something better then training that one at least should be done.
I would not consider argent mirror 5 as something particularly useful for the tournament compared to our other arts. As a response to techron's post I thought it was clear I meant dropping then as in not leveling them, but if that did not come across well in the post I will say that it is absolutely what I meant. Eventually we will leave argent mirror behind, but that won't be for awhile, for now I simply don't see the point in working on argent arts if they will make us miss literally anything else we want to level.
 
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