Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
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Violation of Rule 4 - Spaghetti-posting
If nobody were ever the first to bring up an argument, there would be complte silence in this forum. I fail to see the relevance of this point.
If I keep talking about it is because you keep dismissing it for reasons I consider invalid.
I feel rather justifiably offended by your blanket assertion that no human could possibly think the way I do.
Is defending one's humanity called base spite now?
But she expressed that same train of thought in the past, through our decision of consulting Han Jiang, as I already mentioned.
Which flaw? Your own assumption that Yan Renshu could under no circumstance be ever covered by the peace treaty?
But she IS ignorant of this matters. Blatantly so, that is one of her character's defining traits. Her MORTAL MOTHER had to point out that not having servants would damage her prestige as a noble, just last episode.
This is a Role-Playing quest... Are you seriously claiming that CHARACTERIZATION doesn't MATTER?!? Our choices affect Ling Qi's character, but they should also be informed by her past too.
I think I made it very clear why I believe that she is very unlikely to know for sure.
Of course there is risk, every choice always carry risk. Not going after Yans Renshu carries the risk that he will be able to attack us later. Consulting Cai carries the risk that we won't be able to act and prevent a problem later. Going after him carries the risk that he is expecting it and that this time he put a bigger bomb in his lair. You could think of hundreds of risks for everything if you want. But that is not the point.
I have simply been explaining why I think that Ling Qi could be wary of acting unilaterally.
But, since you seem to despise any character motivation for choices, I leave you this:
We accepted to become Cai's vassal, and have been her representative here in the sect. We are no longer a free agent, our actions reflect on her. And this is not a mere challenge to a spar, it is an anhihilation strike with possibly murder if Meizhen gets her hands on the real Yan Renshu. Do you really think that Cai doesn't have the right to be warned ahead when her left hand is going to do something like this?
This is my last post on this subject by the way, because this is starting to escalate beyond civility.
...No? Because I never said that? Strawmanning me serves no purpose, you know.
You're speculating, strawmanning, and now citing an actual argument.
I never said that going to Cai was a bad move. It's not my preferred one, to be sure. But I think we're all best served by keeping the arguments specifically in the realms of good faith.
- Location
- Florida
[X] It's time to finish this, one way or the other, infiltrate Yan Renshu's base and break the back of his operation for good.
-[X] Invite Meizhen along
I just want to fuck this guy up.
-[X] Invite Meizhen along
I just want to fuck this guy up.
This argument, and the false dichotomy it is based on, is failing to actually solve anything.
There is no reason why we can't kick the door in with Meizhen and check in with Cai about things first.
I suggest that what we actually want is this:
[X] It's time to finish this, one way or the other, infiltrate Yan Renshu's base and break the back of his operation for good.
-[X] Invite Meizhen along
-[x] but first inform Cai about our plans. While we do not necessarily need any help from her, she should be kept aware of significant actions like this. If she has any wishes on the matter, we can adjust our plans if needed.
There is no reason why we can't kick the door in with Meizhen and check in with Cai about things first.
I suggest that what we actually want is this:
[X] It's time to finish this, one way or the other, infiltrate Yan Renshu's base and break the back of his operation for good.
-[X] Invite Meizhen along
-[x] but first inform Cai about our plans. While we do not necessarily need any help from her, she should be kept aware of significant actions like this. If she has any wishes on the matter, we can adjust our plans if needed.
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What do people actually want here? Because as far as I can tell, one side wants to kick ass with Meizhen, and the other wants to make sure we give our boss a heads up first.
There is no reason for these votes to be in conflict. We can do both of these things.
Take the third option. Do them both. Then we can all be happy.
There is no reason for these votes to be in conflict. We can do both of these things.
Take the third option. Do them both. Then we can all be happy.
Biyu a cute.
Also if she takes too much after Ling Qi she'd probably going to find some kind of rare spirit frog down there at some point
Its a big quality of life boost, and after all, the cost is trivial for us for her to keep trying for months if need be now.
She won't go far, but Red is a major improvement.
Especially for our Spirit friends who'd become comprehensible.
Ouch. I suspect this is going to burn into her domain itself, even when she reaches Cyan. She'd be finding it hard to remember NOT being eternally in pain by then.
Also Xiulan might want to go Physical before Spiritual next time I think.
The vale seems to be doing good for the spirits. Still wondering if there's any chance for Zhengui to breakthrough before tournament without sleeping past it, but that's a big enough deal I imagine we'd be informed if it'd take too long.
Hmm, Cai avoiding a social engagement? Wonder why.
The awkward part where she's pretty sure who went through her stuff and stole her secrets but nobody's going to say it so it didn't happen.
The politics are a little bit like dancing! But thats a Reflective Moon thing, not a Dreaming Moon thing, so I can see why she's not getting it.
This party is not meant to be enjoyed.
Cai: "Ling Qi, see me for remedial lessons after this."
S/he's in the market for a binder! And we aren't specifically looking for a combatant anyways, beyond someone taking advantage of our buffs, debuffs and stuff.
As for art upgrades, anyone doing a difference checker?
If we go to Cai with this, the OOC expectation is that she will present a different option from a raid, which would be why the options conflict.
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- Location: Location!
[X] It's time to finish this, one way or the other, infiltrate Yan Renshu's base and break the back of his operation for good.
-[X] Invite Meizhen along
We should let Lady Cai know what we're doing like a good flunky, but not go as far as asking for her help, which would be what "Take the matter of Yan Renshu to Cai Renxiang." means.
I'm all for Sixiang binding, but we already kind of gave our word to Zeqing that we'd take Hanyi into the world. How many spirits can we bind at once currently? If I understood correctly, it depends on our cultivation art rather than our level.
-[X] Invite Meizhen along
We should let Lady Cai know what we're doing like a good flunky, but not go as far as asking for her help, which would be what "Take the matter of Yan Renshu to Cai Renxiang." means.
I'm all for Sixiang binding, but we already kind of gave our word to Zeqing that we'd take Hanyi into the world. How many spirits can we bind at once currently? If I understood correctly, it depends on our cultivation art rather than our level.
If that is the case, then I'd rather like to actually know what the option is rather than than avoiding talking to her because she might suggest something we haven't thought of.
Our decisions should be informed ones.
As many as you have Qi for
I don't think there's a limitation other than qi usage. If we nab Sixiang we'll be able to put a full adventuring party together by picking up Hanyi and Heizui once they come available.
- Location
- Vicksburg, MS
The party scene was kinda painful to read. It's like Qi came in with the mindset to be as miserable as possible and just find an isolated corner to freeze over and sulk in until enough time passed.
Take the hostess. Wen Ai's obligated to welcome & talk to Qi, so she tries her best to get a bit of smalltalk going. Qi doesn't even try to engage, giving the bare minimum responses and effectively a «No comment.» All she's treating the conversation as is a way to stock up more fuel for her insecurities by staring down Wen Ai.
Then of course you have Sixiang not helping by making like a haughty elf with the typical humans don't do anything right etc. etc. and Qi using her powers to specifically isolate them from everyone else's conversations in a private air bubble and badmouth the whole thing. I don't know how she can describe this as even pretending to like the other people present. She's supposed to have some sort of superhuman empathy at this point, but it really doesn't come off that way. Even ignoring everyone else the non superpowered way and concentrating on the banquet would be less rude.
Also, woah! Xiulan is way hardcore, her arm is a skeletal mess all on fire but she can still grit her teeth and go about the day with full feeling of the pain mostly presenting herself as if nothing was wrong. That's a will of steel if I ever saw one.
Take the hostess. Wen Ai's obligated to welcome & talk to Qi, so she tries her best to get a bit of smalltalk going. Qi doesn't even try to engage, giving the bare minimum responses and effectively a «No comment.» All she's treating the conversation as is a way to stock up more fuel for her insecurities by staring down Wen Ai.
Then of course you have Sixiang not helping by making like a haughty elf with the typical humans don't do anything right etc. etc. and Qi using her powers to specifically isolate them from everyone else's conversations in a private air bubble and badmouth the whole thing. I don't know how she can describe this as even pretending to like the other people present. She's supposed to have some sort of superhuman empathy at this point, but it really doesn't come off that way. Even ignoring everyone else the non superpowered way and concentrating on the banquet would be less rude.
Also, woah! Xiulan is way hardcore, her arm is a skeletal mess all on fire but she can still grit her teeth and go about the day with full feeling of the pain mostly presenting herself as if nothing was wrong. That's a will of steel if I ever saw one.
- Location
- USA
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- He/Him
I don't especially expect something different than a raid, but there might be clarification on when we should/shouldn't do that and there might be some specific rules of engagement she has for us, such as how strong a force to bring. It may be that for reputation purposes we should bring peer force or overwhelming force and it may be that there are political moves she would like to take in preparation in cases like this.
Generally, though, I just want to show respect for the relationship we've established. Our actions no longer only reflect on us and it's best to gain a good understanding of the bounds of that by checking in more than we would think we need to, so that we don't have to take up her time with such learning when it really counts and likewise don't misstep later. In the end, I don't consider YR all that important, so I'm focused on this in the capacity of a teachable moment.
Generally, though, I just want to show respect for the relationship we've established. Our actions no longer only reflect on us and it's best to gain a good understanding of the bounds of that by checking in more than we would think we need to, so that we don't have to take up her time with such learning when it really counts and likewise don't misstep later. In the end, I don't consider YR all that important, so I'm focused on this in the capacity of a teachable moment.
More cooks in the kitchen spoils the broth?
Also with more hands in this particular pot, the proceeds get divvied up more ways when taking Renshu's lunch money is a relevant motivation for many of us.
Very glad to see this. Nice. I fully expect Ling Qi to shove Red Spirit Stones at her mother by the fistful and miss the moment her mother reacts to how she treats these invaluable cultivator resources like popcorn.
I thought she was focusing on reaching Bronze? That her condition was getting slightly more bearable because she focused on improving her physique. This seems odd. Poor Lan-lan. Hope she evens out soon.
*fistpump* We've reached the vaunted height of hiding our conversations! Sort of! We are officially a real cultivator now, and can leave the Sect happy knowing we have learned their most important secret.
We shouldn't give our boss a heads up about a significant military action we're taking because she might offer to help us?
Wiggin42
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I mostly don't want to tell Cai because the option seems like we're going to be deferring the action to her. Renshu has been our and Bai's thing; I hate it when a friend invites one of their friends to a thing that we're already doing without at least asking for my input. If it was just "Hey boss, going to go beat a guy with a stick. See you later," then that's fine. If it's more "Hey boss, I want to beat a guy with a stick. How should we do it?" then that feels like we're pulling other people into one of the only things we're still doing with Bai that isn't training.
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