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Well given the split nature of the vote and the number of weeks I have left till tourney time, I figured I would give you two three week sections for training plans. Minors would instead have me throw out the names of characters who you would like to see Ling Qi interact with and have you guys do a bit of ranked voting to see who I should focus the most attention on. You won't be voting for a discreet number of minors with them though, just the level of attention and screen time to give them. My hope is that I can complete the this section by the end of may.

It's somewhat of a hybrid of how I intend to handle things in the sequel, with you guys voting for training plans over a time period, and picking out characters to focus on during 'events' sprinkled throughout the training period.
 
PrimalShadow said:
I disagree.

Notice how "training plans" is plural? That is inconsistent with your interpretation.

Furthermore, saying "you will get to vote for training plans, and I will choose minors myself" sounds like the change is strictly on the side of the minors.
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Not necessarily. Even though it makes less sense then having one training plan for the entire time, it could mean that @yrillar would let us, in advance, vote for the training plans of the coming weeks. i.e. a mass of successive training plans. Or it could be a typo/ mind slip.

We know that the goal of accelerate is to reduce drudge, waiting times and non substantial filler. It makes no sense to have a system where you have as many votes (which wont cut down waiting time) and have the same risk of a frankensteinian built as before. I dont think that yrsillar would give us a choice that boils down to nothing, or at least nothing substantial, without the reduction of votes and the ability to plan ahead the change would be barely cosmetic.
 
yrsillar said:
Well given the split nature of the vote and the number of weeks I have left till tourney time, I figured I would give you two three week sections for training plans. Minors would instead have me throw out the names of characters who you would like to see Ling Qi interact with and have you guys do a bit of ranked voting to see who I should focus the most attention on. You won't be voting for a discreet number of minors with them though, just the level of attention and screen time to give them. My hope is that I can complete the this section by the end of may.

It's somewhat of a hybrid of how I intend to handle things in the sequel, with you guys voting for training plans over a time period, and picking out characters to focus on during 'events' sprinkled throughout the training period.
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Ah.
Really unfortunate then.
 
yrsillar said:
Well given the split nature of the vote and the number of weeks I have left till tourney time, I figured I would give you two three week sections for training plans. Minors would instead have me throw out the names of characters who you would like to see Ling Qi interact with and have you guys do a bit of ranked voting to see who I should focus the most attention on. You won't be voting for a discreet number of minors with them though, just the level of attention and screen time to give them. My hope is that I can complete the this section by the end of may.

It's somewhat of a hybrid of how I intend to handle things in the sequel, with you guys voting for training plans over a time period, and picking out characters to focus on during 'events' sprinkled throughout the training period.
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If I may suggest it, it might be worth placing some form of 'priority' or 'limit' on the screentime votes after they've gotten a certain amount of attention as I suspect we may otherwise run into the same 2 or 3 characters taking up the slots every single turn.

EDIT: Given that part of the point of this is to hit the peaks of character storylines rather than constant filler I am worried about missing out on these with several of the less popular characters with too many 'screentime' votes. I'd rather avoid every turn becoming "ok so who do you want to get slot 3 after Meizhen/Xiulan?".
 
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yrsillar said:
Well given the split nature of the vote and the number of weeks I have left till tourney time, I figured I would give you two three week sections for training plans. Minors would instead have me throw out the names of characters who you would like to see Ling Qi interact with and have you guys do a bit of ranked voting to see who I should focus the most attention on. You won't be voting for a discreet number of minors with them though, just the level of attention and screen time to give them. My hope is that I can complete the this section by the end of may.

It's somewhat of a hybrid of how I intend to handle things in the sequel, with you guys voting for training plans over a time period, and picking out characters to focus on during 'events' sprinkled throughout the training period.
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Seems like a reasonable compromise.

I would advise you to perhaps include what social character majors we might be able to vote for on top of the training plans, like spending action time on mother to acclimate her, serving with Cai, training with Meizen, and maybe trying to bind that muse sprit-Sixiang.

Or dealing with puppet boy. Or major mission for the moon and such.

Like 1:1:1 split between training actions with Ling Qi getting more bad-ass, pure social action- the various minors, and actual major actions that aren't training, for example moon quests,sect jobs, duels, binding spirits and all that stuff.

So about a third of the text dedicated to each.
1/3 cultivation/arts.
1/3 social minors
1/3 non training actions- mother, Bai, Cai, Sixiang, moon quests, sect quests, etc.
 
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yrsillar said:
May I ask how so? I'm open to suggestions here?
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90% of the decisionmaking for a vote on this quest is pretty much taking a look at which old and new minors are interesting, then picking any and all plans which contain them. Making it a generic pick of character focus misses the biggest interesting part of choosing the minor plotlines to advance after all, so all of them are now as uninteresting to vote for as the training portions.

I hadn't done any voting plans ever since the training vote got longer than 5 lines. The payout wasn't nearly proportional to effort invested.

It was never about WHO got the spotlight, but much more about the storylines we pursued.
 
yrsillar said:
Well given the split nature of the vote and the number of weeks I have left till tourney time, I figured I would give you two three week sections for training plans.
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Hmm.

There is definitely a lot of benefit from this, but we might get into some trouble with planning in blocks like this - especially closer to end of year - if we can't adapt our plans based on what happens in previous weeks.

For example. Let's say we start training FSS3, and it takes us 2 actions to finish it. If FSS4 is available, we might want to do that (depending on how much XP it takes), but we don't know in advanced.

Similarly, if we e.g. finish AE earlier than expected, we might want to start something else rather than pushing towards the next level.

Now, this can be addressed with gratuitious use of conditionals, but that is clunky and unpleasant.

As an alternative, would you allow us to have a second round vote mid-period for any such issues that come up? E.g., in the above scenario, we might vote to train specifically AE3, and once we finish we could vote on what happens with the remaining slots that still hold that action.

I don't think it would be especially complex or troublesome to implement, and IMO it would let us do planning more smoothly.
 
I don't think some conditionals would be unreasonable.

@veekie would giving you a hook on the character storyline you're voting for with a given character help make it more engaging you think. Something like.

[] Continue mad science with Suyin, complete with cackle synchronization exercises

be some thing you'd find more interesting to vote for than just a name?
 
yrsillar said:
I don't think some conditionals would be unreasonable.

@veekie would giving you a hook on the character storyline you're voting for with a given character help make it more engaging you think. Something like.

[] Continue mad science with Suyin, complete with cackle synchronization exercises

be some thing you'd find more interesting to vote for than just a name?
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Vast improvement, that'd help yes.
 
veekie said:
90% of the decisionmaking for a vote on this quest is pretty much taking a look at which old and new minors are interesting, then picking any and all plans which contain them. Making it a generic pick of character focus misses the biggest interesting part of choosing the minor plotlines to advance after all, so all of them are now as uninteresting to vote for as the training portions.

I hadn't done any voting plans ever since the training vote got longer than 5 lines. The payout wasn't nearly proportional to effort invested.

It was never about WHO got the spotlight, but much more about the storylines we pursued.
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I dont understand how voting how much focus and screen time is spent on a character and therefore how much of their character developtment we see is much different from what we do now.

Im not sure that i can agree that if we are in a situation where, for example, lanlan is close to another nervous breakdown, the most interesting thing about the situation is the ability to go ' hey, we are already training TRF with her this week! Lets attach her minor there'. I

m sure I must have misunderstood you but for at first glance it sounds as if deciding to which major we attach a minor is the most interesting thing in this quest for you. Could you clarify?
 
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well, with accelerates headstart melted back to next to nothing, we might not have to bother with getting the details sorted out after all.
Adhoc vote count started by Thor's Twin on Apr 13, 2018 at 11:53 AM, finished with 346 posts and 118 votes.
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yrsillar said:
I don't think some conditionals would be unreasonable.

@veekie would giving you a hook on the character storyline you're voting for with a given character help make it more engaging you think. Something like.

[] Continue mad science with Suyin, complete with cackle synchronization exercises

be some thing you'd find more interesting to vote for than just a name?
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veekie said:
Vast improvement, that'd help yes.
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This works well. I did not think on it. I just assumed it would be like that. Were you going to give us just a ranked vote for people? Because that... That would have been bad. This is much better.
 
Kian said:
I dont understand how voting how much focus and screen time is spent on a character and therefore how much of their character developtment we see is much different from what we do now.

Im not sure that i can agree that if we are in a situation where, for example, lanlan is close to another nervous breakdown, the most interesting thing about the situation is the ability to go ' hey, we are already training TRF with her this week! Lets attach her minor there'. I

m sure I must have misunderstood you but for at first glance it sounds as if deciding to which major we attach a minor is the most interesting thing in this quest for you. Could you clarify?
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It's the description. You usually have a vague idea of which direction the character interactions will go in. Having a vote with only names will make it a lot less obvious where the story will go, hence Veekie wants to have voting choices with characters that are more substantive.

[x] Lan-Lan
[x] Suyin
[x] best snek

versus

[x] Xiulan is getting worried about what the white room is doing to her head. Literally: her hair is turning white. Investigate this phenomenon in the archive with her.
[x] Suyin wants to throw a party, maybe accompany her on her shopping expedition. And planning committee. And poison purchas- wait, this doesn't sound like a party at all.
[x] Bai Meizhen is broing it up with the wrong sorts of people. You found her getting uproariously drunk with Chu Song. Find out how the miserable excuse of a Chu got into Meizhen's good graces and then kick a bitch politely invite yourself to their drinking sessions.

You get the idea.

BungieONI said:
Probably already happened in the background non-space of imagined omake land.
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Mm, probably. o3o
 
yrsillar said:
I don't think some conditionals would be unreasonable.
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The problem isn't in the conditional per se, but in the fact that they would need o be pretty damn complicated to actually convey what we want to do.

Like, take the next three weeks. I expect us to ask for 2x SLP weeks and a more normal week as well.
The SLP weeks are easy, since we know exactly what we are going to train. But even with just that, I can't predict what we should do the week after.

For instance... do we keep pushing AE? Well, that depends on how hard it is to push further, how good AE3 is, and what happened with our other arts. Maybe the next level of FSS and FVM is available; that would certainly influence our decision away from AE. Hard to put something like that in as conditionals.
 
PrimalShadow said:
The problem isn't in the conditional per se, but in the fact that they would need o be pretty damn complicated to actually convey what we want to do.

Like, take the next three weeks. I expect us to ask for 2x SLP weeks and a more normal week as well.
The SLP weeks are easy, since we know exactly what we are going to train. But even with just that, I can't predict what we should do the week after.

For instance... do we keep pushing AE? Well, that depends on how hard it is to push further, how good AE3 is, and what happened with our other arts. Maybe the next level of FSS and FVM is available; that would certainly influence our decision away from AE. Hard to put something like that in as conditionals.
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Planning makes that OK though. Like, while the question of AE/FSS/FVM is up in the air, the question of PLR/TRF/SCS are much less so, and AC/AS/AM are viable too, as spiritual/meridians.

It's not that hard to make a much better three-weeks plans than we could if we were to do it week by week.
 
veekie said:
That was the original proposed and the primary point of contention
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Not to my understanding. As far as I understood we would have voted for who to spend time with, IE leaving the general maintain friendship action out, and focusing on the important ones.

Like if we had voted for Li Suyin instead of getting every research session, we would just get the important ones. Like the one when we finish one of our more important foundations, like the first time we make one of those big golem things.

Not that the vote would just be:
Li Suyin

Or if we were helping Xiulan instead of getting every outing and session, we would get the one where she makes a breakthrough, or reaches an important decision, or we suborn her to our side(if that was what the vote was for).
 
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