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Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
- Thread starter yrsillar
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- Original Fantasy
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So the interlude with Ling Qi's mother should be up next right? I hope Ling Qi thought to warn her about who her enemies are in addition to who her allies are.
Also, I am pretty sure that Ling Qi can totally reach green appraisal if she will bother to do spiritual cultivation every week.
Current stores sux: 247.
Spiritual roll: 6(talent) + 35 (stones) + 5 (friened, probably Meizhen since Ling is going to tell her about the dragon site) + 20 (EPC) + 5 (larceny) + 20 (pills, cost 80 RSS can use more money for more dice) = 91 dice + 18 auto (vale) + 5 auto ( bronze breakthrough) = 73.05 sux mean * 8 weeks = 584.4
Total successes needed for darkness arts excluding AE: 180 (FSS) + 154 (FVM) + 228 (SCS) = 562/4(black pool) = 140.5
Currently Ling Qi has 2 silver blood pills, but in less then a month time she will have 3. I got lazy and only calculated the number of successes needed for AM since the other arts get better dice (and Argent current also uses the black pool)
6(talent) + 35 (stones) + 5 (friened) + 10 (pills) + 12 (site) = 68 dice = 37.4 sux* 3 arts = 112.2
Altogether it adds up to 1084.1 sux without streching Ling Qi schedule except for taking spiritual cultivation each week. I didn't bother calculating AE or hypothetical FSS 4 or overflow or mission sucesses directed to spiritual.
It's super doable as long as voters commit.
(Also I feel like I forgot some bonuses)
Current stores sux: 247.
Spiritual roll: 6(talent) + 35 (stones) + 5 (friened, probably Meizhen since Ling is going to tell her about the dragon site) + 20 (EPC) + 5 (larceny) + 20 (pills, cost 80 RSS can use more money for more dice) = 91 dice + 18 auto (vale) + 5 auto ( bronze breakthrough) = 73.05 sux mean * 8 weeks = 584.4
Total successes needed for darkness arts excluding AE: 180 (FSS) + 154 (FVM) + 228 (SCS) = 562/4(black pool) = 140.5
Currently Ling Qi has 2 silver blood pills, but in less then a month time she will have 3. I got lazy and only calculated the number of successes needed for AM since the other arts get better dice (and Argent current also uses the black pool)
6(talent) + 35 (stones) + 5 (friened) + 10 (pills) + 12 (site) = 68 dice = 37.4 sux* 3 arts = 112.2
Altogether it adds up to 1084.1 sux without streching Ling Qi schedule except for taking spiritual cultivation each week. I didn't bother calculating AE or hypothetical FSS 4 or overflow or mission sucesses directed to spiritual.
It's super doable as long as voters commit.
(Also I feel like I forgot some bonuses)
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We don't want to commit to that though, we could go heavy on all of ours arts instead. Appraisal doesn't really provide anything better than our entire suite being a rank ahead.
And another auto sux which translates to a 2.5 dice bonus. By contrast not cultivating spiritual gives what? Not starting Argent storm 5? Arts midway have the same properties as arts that just reached a new level. What I outlined doesn't meaningfully harm Ling Qi art suite, it just staggers it a bit.
EDIT: It turns into a 2 auto sux against yellow and Ling Qi will fight 5 (IIRC) waves of them at the prelim.
EDIT EDIT: It also works both for boosting Ling Qi offensive dice pool and defensive anti-dispel pool.
Why does Ling Qi needs to develop appraisal arts? She doesn't do this currently and even in the 'plan' I outlined she is still on her normal art suite. I kinda feel that I am missing your point.
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In character, I don't see Ling Qi changing her game plan based on either or their fighting styles and out of character, I'd say that yrs' use of dice is too fluid for us to base much on what we see there. I don't really see how we'll benefit. If we want an action to relax I'd rather compose with Sixiang or hang out with our family.
Yes the autos are nice and worth a handful of dice, but I know I would certainly prefer a handful of extra techs being unlocked compared to a handful of extra dice and passives.
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What new useful techs does AM provides? Or AC? Or AS? Those are incredibly niche arts to Ling Qi fighting style that are mostly used for their passives, and all the actual useful techs would reach their maximum level anyhow (FVM is 2 SLP weekes from maxing, FSS is 3, TRF is 4 and SCS is probably 5 at best which leaves a lot of dead time to work on the rest of the arts).
The auto sux also work as a general all-applicable bonus as opposed to 'change dice bonus from plus three to plus 4 for physical attacks (Ling Qi mostly uses spiritual ones)'
I'm not pushing for any of the argent arts, so I don't care what they offer. One of the upsides of not going for appraisal is that we don't have to bother with the argent arts. They just don't fit well compared to anything else that we have. Considering how packed each week is though I feel pretty comfortable saying we are regularly finding something better to do than spiritual cultivation for an entire extra 2 autos at most. There isn't a major in any of the plans that I would be willing to give up for that this close to the tournament.
TRF for instance? Ling Qi will finish it in 4 weeks anyhow and if you don't want to train any argent art then Ling Qi will run out of arts to train after 4 weeks.
The only non-minor action plot thread remaining is Yan Renshu and this close to the crunch time I doubt any new big majors are going to pop up. Minors are probably also going to be trimmed given that more people will devote themselves to passing the exams instead of social activity.
The thing is that you can't decide you want to have appraisal green next week, it has to be now. By contrast most of the arts are far easier to juggle and the most useful ones are near their max level already.
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The issue is reward vs effort.
A single +1auto.sux in battle just isn't worth the major action every week until the Tournament for most people.
Of course shying away from the GG minor, and not getting the dice info on Green level cultivators that fight would provide doesn't help either XD
It literally gives 2.5 dice advantage that is applicable to both offense, defense and anti-dispel rolls. People salivate at 3 advantage for one of those fields and push to improve arts that give less.
You also haven't shown what is the better reward for the effort in this context. Is it AS 5? AC 5? AM 5? All the core arts that Ling Qi uses will finish and her offensive dice pool improves with green appraisal. By contrast AS does what? Helps improve the physical defense pool which Ling Qi was already told is impressive? (and that PLR is already set to improve). AM helps resist spiritual attacks which none of our known opponents use and green helps against those anyway.
RE GG Minor: you still haven't shown how knowing the dice rolls (if we would actually see them, which is also in question) helps Ling Qi. At best it can help her polish her fighting style when fighting either if them., but Ling Qi is just as likely to be matched against Ji Rong to show off the promising non-noble cultivators.
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Kai Merah
Hound Hearted Hedonist
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Look, if we're taking the Sixiang action, it just makes sense that our job should fit yeah? 
[X] Plan: Museic with Party Crashing
-[X] Overflow to Qi, vent drip to AC, Moon successes to SCS
-[X] Buy/use stuff
--[X] Use two YSS, two virtual YSS
--[X] Heavy Rains Pill (15 RSS), 10 Dice Wood Pills (30 RSS), 5 Dice Water Pills (10 RSS), 5 Dice Darkness Pills (15 RSS)
--[X] Total: 70 RSS, 2 YSS
-[X] (MAJOR) Train Music arts with Zeqing
--[X] FSS
--[X] (attached minor) Zeqing wanted to speak with you about something aside from your lessons, indulge her?
-[X] (MAJOR) Train with Gu Xiulan
--[X] TRF
-[X] (MAJOR) Take a job
--[X] Party Crashing
-[X] (MAJOR) Cultivate in the White Room
--[X] Leg meridian
--[X] With Xiulan
-[X] (MAJOR) Visit the Archive
--[X] Look into the items you found during your quest
--[X] (attached minor) Meizhen has been withdrawing a bit again. See what you can do to talk her back out of her shell, and ask about what has been bothering her
-[X] (minor) Playing music with Sixiang was fun, even if you didn't get to do as much fun composing as you might have liked. See if the muse has any suggestions.
-[X] (minor) Zhengui did a good job, take him out on a hunting trip, and maybe start working on getting him ready to introduce to your family.
-[X] (minor) It's time for testing! You should work for some prototypes. Suyin has invited you to join her in her mentors workshop to do some more experimentation
[X] Plan: Museic with Party Crashing
-[X] Overflow to Qi, vent drip to AC, Moon successes to SCS
-[X] Buy/use stuff
--[X] Use two YSS, two virtual YSS
--[X] Heavy Rains Pill (15 RSS), 10 Dice Wood Pills (30 RSS), 5 Dice Water Pills (10 RSS), 5 Dice Darkness Pills (15 RSS)
--[X] Total: 70 RSS, 2 YSS
-[X] (MAJOR) Train Music arts with Zeqing
--[X] FSS
--[X] (attached minor) Zeqing wanted to speak with you about something aside from your lessons, indulge her?
-[X] (MAJOR) Train with Gu Xiulan
--[X] TRF
-[X] (MAJOR) Take a job
--[X] Party Crashing
-[X] (MAJOR) Cultivate in the White Room
--[X] Leg meridian
--[X] With Xiulan
-[X] (MAJOR) Visit the Archive
--[X] Look into the items you found during your quest
--[X] (attached minor) Meizhen has been withdrawing a bit again. See what you can do to talk her back out of her shell, and ask about what has been bothering her
-[X] (minor) Playing music with Sixiang was fun, even if you didn't get to do as much fun composing as you might have liked. See if the muse has any suggestions.
-[X] (minor) Zhengui did a good job, take him out on a hunting trip, and maybe start working on getting him ready to introduce to your family.
-[X] (minor) It's time for testing! You should work for some prototypes. Suyin has invited you to join her in her mentors workshop to do some more experimentation
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
Appraisal does give a 2.5 dice advantage for spiritual attack and defense, but it also demands a significant investment every week that probably heavily limit us. Getting AM5 should give both that effective 2.5 effective dice for spiritual defense as well as effective narrative perception, getting AE4 should provide very significant spiritual defense as well as potent ability to enhance our support style, and so on.
The main advantage of pushing for appraisal is if we believe we have a shot at binding Sixiang, as that should heavily reduce the penalty for binding a more powerful spirit.
We know his plan. That why we paid not kabuto for. And we know when his plans will go off.
Limit Ling Qi how? All the important arts are nearly maxed out, and the argent arts are incredibly niche. It's one action a week and all the rest of the stuff Ling Qi was going to do anyway.
Regarding arts: AM won't give a general 2.5 bonus dice because no art has made that jump, it would at best give 1 (maybeee 2) dice for several tests and one tech that Ling Qi is unlikely to use because all of her opponents are facepunchers. The narrative perception, if it would actually come, will be around week 50 which is too late to anything but the tourney.
AE has enough trouble convincing people to actually vote for training it and it's far more likely to be useful when training green simply for the success from the black pool (Also PLR is better for defense).
Regarding Sixiang, she is totally bindable. She would die/disperse at the end of the year, creating a character that after spending time with her and liking her would exit the story with no way to stop this doesn't make a lot of narrative sense.
Mechanically, Meizhen, Sun Liling, Cai Renxiang, Shen Hu, Yan Renshu and possibly Chu Song (Kang Zhou?) all have third grade spirits (Bai Meizhen would possibly have 2 by the time of the tournament). It's not game breaking or whatever to be on the same level of the opposition.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
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- France
We have had 2.5 bonus dice at specific levels before, it's effectively just 1 passive, 1 in tech, and secondary tech improvement. For example TRF4 gave us +1 p.def and +1 armor in passive, and TRD gives us 2 mitigated damage instead of 1 as well as Qi regain (and DWV gives us 2 ablative HP instead of 1). The passives alone are arguably worth 2.5 dice, and using either TRD or DWV also gives very significant power up compared to using them beforehand.
Sixiang is Green Foundation, not just early green. She is likely to be significantly stronger than Hezui. It is not quite breaking things, but it does give us a spirit that might be stronger than the monster's main spirits.
We're literally never going to do the Forest Boy action are we? We're literally just going to ignore a combatant that's very likely above us and might be on par with Meizahn and Sun.
And we're going to ignore yet another Gan action.
I mean, come on, this guy is likely a fellow Yin cultivator who knows how to use the Umbral Shard!
And we're going to ignore yet another Gan action.
I mean, come on, this guy is likely a fellow Yin cultivator who knows how to use the Umbral Shard!
DeAnno
Sometimes words have two meanings
A spirit without a ton of custom gear and that we haven't been learning to fight with forever and that probably isn't even specced mostly/entirely for combat. Wasn't Cui throwing around 30 dice or something like that? Also, technically Cai is wearing part of an object spirit that we have IC and OOC reasons to suspect is extremely powerful.
If you think yrsillar is cheating like that then none of the votes matter.
If you trust yrsillar then there is good reason for that minor to exist and it will be valuable to us.
She's hardly the only character that we 'd lose contact with in the course of the story.
1 passive and 1 tech that costs qi. Abd that's for a technique that Ling Qi will actually use as opposed to AM, which unless Ling Qi will devote all the rest of her weeks to cultivating it, Ling Qi won't max. This also goes for the rest of the argent arts and the next level of TRF (it required 150->300->??? Probably above 450) and Ling Qi only garners 50 sux on each cultivation roll while she has 8 weeks and 200 to reach the next level.
That's why I argue that green appraisal is important, all the other max techniques are out of Ling Qi range or are niche techniques that are less useful than simply improving Ling Qi existing speciality.
RE Sixiang: And at what level is Sun or her spirit are going to be at the tournament? She was at appraisal level way back when she attacked Ling Qi and has been continuously training. It also relies on the fact that just being on a higher cultivation level means an auto win, which Ling Qi proved to be bunk when she fought Hezui who actually had gear propping him.
A) yrsillar doesn't cheat, however he also doesn't keep a spreadsheet of all the characters arts bonuses and stats. We saw this after the dragon battle where people noted he forgot the anti dispel dice and yrsillar said that he shouldn't have lowballed the dragon.
He looks where Ling Qi is, what is meant to be the strength of her opponent compared to how hard she traind and goes from there.
EDIT: This is what I meant
I can guess that the minor is there to get to know Gan Gungali and Shen Hu? The dice stuff is the least interesting part.
B) Dying is not the same as leaving the narrative to become a minor character. Even in the Gu Tai route Ling Qi could still communicate with her friends via letters.
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