They
were tributary to the Hung. I believe are not currently; they almost?
fought them in Korea'.
On the contrary, the Japanese were dealt with quite handily towards the end of the war in Manchuria by the Russians and were defeated at Kalhkin Gol before then but that is immaterial to the ultimate argument. The reason the Japanese and the Nohon looked to Siberia/Kyberia was so they could secure resources for their war industry that they lacked on their islands. In fact, that's exactly why the Nohon are there right
now. Our own diplomats see them as a
distant threat. Which is why we should prevent their access to greater parts of Kyberia and deny its strategic utility to them, I am not advocating an immediate war yet I hope to shape the wider Glyurv-Ymaryn strategy with Nihon in mind.
That's interesting. I'd never heard of Khalkin Gol before. I stand corrected.
Grabbing as much of Kyberia as possible is something I support regardless of what we eventually do about Nohon.
And you have interpreted my comparisons as if I thought they were the situation that actually faced us, I haven't. Your claim that any gains we make by force will be marginal and come at great cost dont have any weight as we are not embarking upon this venture yet so looking at the stats as they are now, hold little relevance when the question comes up in the future. In thirty years Nohon's armament industry could have atrophied, our industry, infrastructure and technology could eclipse theirs, they could have entered lost several wars by then. You have assumed that I and people like me advocating taking all of Kyberia would force us to enter into a war we would lose, I wouldn't I would hope we would weigh every opportunity and every variable to be sure. As I have mentioned also, if we develop industrial centres in Kyberia we will mitigate our supply issues considerably. Rather than shipping in men and materials from the west, we would ship them from the east to slightly further east.
Thirty, even fifty years isn't enough time to fully establish colonies unless you invest in them considerably, you have again made an assumption that Nohon will invest significantly enough those colonies that they will develop into the size of millions even tens of millions, only then would those colonies be an integration issue. We could even offer a return of the Nohon colonists to the Nohon mainland.
Yet again if we can secure a pacific port that isn't decorated in conditions and treaties through diplomacy I'd also be more than willing.
I understand you're not pushing for a war
right now, but that doesn't change my argument much, because most of the factors I'm talking about aren't likely to change in the next three or so decades. Nohon seems to be actively colonizing, judging by how they're expanding their Siberian holdings, so it's unlikely the colonies are going to remain static. Nohon's actively embrancing modern arms, so I doubt their industry's going to atrophy. Even if we did set up manufacturing centers in Kyberia, we'd still have longer supply lines than the Nohon because the Nohon core territory is
right there. They also can resupply by sea, and we can't.
I appreciate that you'd weigh the pros and cons before jumping into a war; that's sensible and I applaud that line of thinking. But setting up the infrastructure to make that war possible, to be ready for that war, is going to involve a steep opportunity cost. Right now, it doesn't matter much. I think we both agree that eastward expansion's a priority. It's really what happens
after we run into the Nohon and consolidate a little. Do we spend our resources preparing for an eastern war? I don't think that will be a good move.
But I'm fine with crossing that bridge when we come to it.
And as for geography.... really?
We already have a warm-water port, which is what Russia spent tons of blood and treasure chasing, we have direct access to the Indian Ocean and Mediterranean equivalent, we have southern borders to worry about that Russia never had to deal with, and so on. I'm not sure why you're so dismissive about this? "The Ymaryn have different geopolitical circumstances than Russia" is practically a tautological statement.
I think the best way to look at this: we've swapped Russia's Pacific port for an Indian Ocean one and a Mediterranean one.
Cons:
- we don't have direct access to the Pacific'
- and therefore we don't have direct access to the New World
- some of Kyberia's raw materials are going to flow through foreign ports
Pros:
+ we do have direct access to the Mediterranean' and Monsoon Sea
+ we have warm-water ports in strategically important areas
+ those ports are already up and running, no assembly required
+ because of all that we do have access to Africa', Kus, and Australia'
+ if we build the Khemetri canal, we can link up most of our fleet fairly easily
I think it's a pretty good deal, especially since we're probably getting most of Kyberia anyway.
