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Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

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Alectai said:
There's a hell of a lot of legitimate targets. The problem here was that the targets were just ordinary folks who had done no wrong to anyone involved, getting fucked because Fu Xiang wasn't confident in his own abilities.
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And more importantly, we're nobles now. Our actions there would have consequences when they didn't before we broke through. Previously we were just a commoner looking out for number 1. Disgraceful, but ultimately nothing special.

But as a noble our violation of our liege's law would require that she punish us OR accept that SHE is to blame. In which case we have the option of taking a private penance under her so she can answer that it has already been dealt with honestly...or risking it further.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
[x] Remain silent, thank her sincerely and speak of yourself as promised.
-[x] Convince Fu Xiang to drop the framing part of the plan, it would be best to avoid further abuses.

We're going to be a spectacularly shitty spymaster if we can't keep our mouth shut when speaking would bring no real gain.
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Kipeci said:
Do we really need to gradually morph all MCs into friendship paladins on this site? I can grudgingly accept no assassinations for our assassin-specced character but I just can't believe that we're about to revoke advantageous omission of the facts in the wake of a sob story. Do you all think we wouldn't come across those in the secret service employ of Cai while she and her mom seek to "purge the rot"?

Also, how is this not a massive betrayal of Fu Xiang's trust? We did the mission as a favor to him for saving our skin when Princess was about to pound us into a fine pulp. How in the world do we get off as being a character who respects the trust of others by betraying him to Cai and getting him no doubt heavily punished by her, the sect or both over a matter that we volunteered to do?
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.................If you guys literally can't understand the difference between telling Cai (our potential future boss) and someone else there's no helping you.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Finite on Feb 10, 2018 at 4:48 AM, finished with 84 posts and 59 votes.
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1986ctcel said:
.................If you guys literally can't understand the difference between telling Cai (our potential future boss) and someone else there's no helping you.
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Her being our possible future boss is one of the biggest reasons not to tell her in my book, given again all the talk where she admits herself as a monster who wants to go on a purging spree. How forgiving were the likes of ex. Stalin to those who were percieved to have wronged them in the past? Paranoia is a tricky thing.
 
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[X] Remain silent, thank her sincerely and speak of yourself as promised.
-[X] Convince Fu Xiang to drop the framing part of the plan, it would be best to avoid further abuses.
 
[X] Remain silent, thank her sincerely and speak of yourself as promised.

Same reason as before, plus I fear for her safety now.
 
I've noticed some people saying it's only fair for Ling Qi to reciprocate with the truth given the magnitude of Cai Renxiang's admission, but is it? Fair, I mean. What is the consequence to Cai having shared that truth? I grant that from her perspective, it was a not insignificant risk, but in actual practical terms, Ling Qi is never going to make anything of it, even as inconsistent as we manage to play her. The consequences are nil. Ling Qi admitting her crime, however, will incur real costs in the course of whatever punishment Cai decides to levy. This isn't making things fair, it's taking a loss out of a misguided sense of guilt. Feeling bad for our deception is fine, but suffering penance helps no one.

Keeping quiet has Ling Qi talk about herself, and while it won't match the scale of the unexpected truth Cai lay on us, it is significantly closer to matching the practical cost!
 
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1986ctcel said:
.................If you guys literally can't understand the difference between telling Cai (our potential future boss) and someone else there's no helping you.
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Yes, one of them is capable of punishing us, and one isn't. Neither leads to any personal gain. I say again: we'll be a shitty spymaster if we can't keep a secret that will only do harm for being told.

Besides, didn't this entire scenario come about because we wanted Cai to balance the scales somewhat with regards to knowing about the other's home life? People are acting like we now owe Cai information because she's shared with us, when in fact the opposite is true - this was Cai redressing the previous imbalance. We don't owe her this confession at all.
 
What exactly does the write in accomplish? Besides making cai more suspicious someone sabotaged those projects and without a lead to go on suspicion will turn to Ling Qi for being one of the few people capable of accomplishing it in the outer sect.

I get that you people do not want to be caught by keeping silent but the write in actually increases the chance of Cai finding out.
 
[X] Remain silent, thank her sincerely and speak of yourself as promised.
-[X] Convince Fu Xiang to drop the framing part of the plan, it would be best to avoid further abuses.

@AbeoLogos convinced me. The new option where Ling Qi reciprocate is better than simply saying thanks and leaving. Ling Qi already is a secretive person and the current option shows guilt and an attempt to mitigate it.
 
You know what I find interesting? This:
yrsillar said:
"Despite all that,I feel like I don't know you, exactly," Ling Qi replied just as bluntly. "You said you wanted my loyalty, the kind I extend to Bai Meizhen, Li Suyin, Su Ling, or Gu Xiulan, but… I know things about them, personal things, and they know details of my own life that I don't easily share… we do not have that between us
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Because I think it's kind of bullshit? Look to our big shows of loyalty - supporting Meizhen after thunder done, rescuing Xiulan in growing pains... How much did we really know about them then? How many heart to hearts had we had?

I think that Ling Qi is totally holding Cai to a double standard here. She's wary of her, but doesn't know why, and so she's making up reasons to try to resolve things.
 
Reader of all said:
If the other vote wins cai will be even more pissed when she finds out not if because without an obvious suspect Ling Qi is now said obvious suspect.
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Not really. There is no motive, even if CRX assumes that Ling Qi got the skills for it there is neither proof or motive and it went down differently compared to what CRX have seen off Ling Qi's MO aka 'everything not nailed down is mine'. Cant really convict her of anything.
 
@yrsillar : If we choose to remain silent now, will we have the option to confess later, if we choose to be Cai's vassal?
 
Kipeci said:
Her being our possible future boss is one of the biggest reasons not to tell her in my book, given again all the talk where she admits herself as a monster who wants to go on a purging spree. How forgiving were the likes of ex. Stalin to those who were percieved to have wronged them in the past? Paranoia is a tricky thing.
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OK there's obviously no reasoning with you since you think she's the same as freaking Stalin.
Deathbybunnies said:
Yes, one of them is capable of punishing us, and one isn't. Neither leads to any personal gain. I say again: we'll be a shitty spymaster if we can't keep a secret that will only do harm for being told.

Besides, didn't this entire scenario come about because we wanted Cai to balance the scales somewhat with regards to knowing about the other's home life? People are acting like we now owe Cai information because she's shared with us, when in fact the opposite is true - this was Cai redressing the previous imbalance. We don't owe her this confession at all.
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No we won't because "telling Cai about this makes us a shitty spymaster" is a bad argument and a red herring that completely ignores context.
 
Erebeal said:
Because I think it's kind of bullshit? Look to our big shows of loyalty - supporting Meizhen after thunder done, rescuing Xiulan in growing pains... How much did we really know about them then? How many heart to hearts had we had?

I think that Ling Qi is totally holding Cai to a double standard here. She's wary of her, but doesn't know why, and so she's making up reasons to try to resolve things.
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We actually had a lot of heart to heart talks with Xiulan beforehand, and Ling Qi had significant emotional baggage with Meizhen before thunderdom.

I do agree that this is more of Ling Qi not knowing how to articulate her issues with her, however. It's just that your examples are flat out wrong.
Reader of all said:
What exactly does the write in accomplish? Besides making cai more suspicious someone sabotaged those projects and without a lead to go on suspicion will turn to Ling Qi for being one of the few people capable of accomplishing it in the outer sect.

I get that you people do not want to be caught by keeping silent but the write in actually increases the chance of Cai finding out.
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It's not a write in, it's a subvote added by Yrsillar without any prompting from us.

Anyway... Still not sure what to vote, but it feels like this ends up being a characterisation vote. Ling Qi believes she isn't going to be caught, so the only reason to tell CRX is for characterisation reasons, and the reasons to NOT tell also have heavy characterisation consequences. No time out though :D

I'll probably hesitate a bit more, but "accepting punishment" seems to lead in the direction of the Ling Qi I prefer: one who is honest with those she wants as friends. If we do end up as CRX' vassal, I very much prefer Ling Qi having a relationship of honesty with her, rather than one that won't have us be honest when it cost us.

Still, It WILL cost us. We musn't assume that there will be some kind of "punishment will be good for us" thing, here. It will be painful.
 
CircleTheSkies said:
I hate to be harsh, but this genuinely brings a previous quest to mind.

"I stab myself with my sword."
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Actually, the specific vote was:

[ ] Kill yourself.
--[ ] By stabbing yourself through the heart

I keep seeing people quote all sorts of things that aren't the actual vote and it's disappointing. Almost as disappointing as killing your MC seven posts in.

#nitpicking
 
[X] Remain silent, thank her sincerely and speak of yourself as promised.

I don't really see how the addon is useful.
 
Arkeus said:
We actually had a lot of heart to heart talks with Xiulan beforehand, and Ling Qi had significant emotional baggage with Meizhen before thunderdom.
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Ok, I haven't checked up to growing pains yet, but Thunderdome? We knew stuff all about Meizhen. I agree that that didn't matter. We liked her because of all our interactions with her. We liked Xiulan for similar reasons. Heck, this might just be coloured by the present, but even just the pre Thunderdome updates made me like Xiulan more than Cai.

My point is that our being friends with people has never really been about sharing personal things. Most of that stuff is relatively recent. Ling Qi is deluding herself if she thinks that her problem with Cai is not knowing enough about her. The problem I think is that is that Cai doesn't know how to friend, and Ling Qi has difficulty dealing with that.

.... We should cover up our crimes, refuse to join Cai out of guilt, and flee to Golden Fields with Tai. Let us run away from all this! Flee! Flee like the wind!
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Epicrandom on Feb 10, 2018 at 6:43 AM, finished with 110 posts and 67 votes.
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