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Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

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NaanContributor said:
Eh, there's two ways of looking at it. Either we're a shitty nascent spymaster for not keeping our mouth shut, or we're a shitty spymaster for not keeping our potential lord in the loop and leaving her open for further exploitation due to her continued ignorance. There's a reason that the saying "What they don't know won't hurt them." is rarely taken seriously.
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I don't understand your point. Are you claiming that this has previously materially affected Cai in some way? Besides which she's not our Lord yet, and I'm alarmed you seem to want to dive into absolute obedience even at personal cost to ourselves even before signing up. If you're representative of the playerbase I'm suddenly much more in favour of sticking with the sect.
 
"Punishment" is on a scale. Some Punishments can even be turned into benefits if you're clever.

Case in point, one way of handling this would be Renxiang "Volunteering" us (Who has little else to do) to help collect rarer and more difficult materials that are ordinarily beyond what a Production-track Disciple has access to, allowing them to put together a solid response through superior materials, even if they've lost time. We can benefit from this as a ready source of EPC successes and any materials that aren't required.
 
Alectai said:
"Punishment" is on a scale. Some Punishments can even be turned into benefits if you're clever.

Case in point, one way of handling this would be Renxiang "Volunteering" us (Who has little else to do) to help collect rarer and more difficult materials that are ordinarily beyond what a Production-track Disciple has access to, allowing them to put together a solid response through superior materials, even if they've lost time. We can benefit from this as a ready source of EPC successes and any materials that aren't required.
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This is rampant and entirely unfounded speculation though. If we're accepting that as a valid argument, then maybe we should keep quiet because our patron, the sneaky moon will reward us for being sneaky and not running our mouth at the first opportunity? Or perhaps we'll be punished by her too, for going so against the stated themes of getting away with secret stuff?

...Actually, is that last bit completely unfounded? What happens if we start acting directly against our patron's themes?
 
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[X] Remain silent, thank her sincerely and speak of yourself as promised.
-[X] Convince Fu Xiang to drop the framing part of the plan, it would be best to avoid further abuses.
 
[X] Admit to the deception. Apologize, explain, and accept the consequences.

Well this could be a test
The problem is
Is it for Ling Qi or for Cai
 
[X] Remain silent, thank her sincerely and speak of yourself as promised.
-[X] Convince Fu Xiang to drop the framing part of the plan, it would be best to avoid further abuses.

You can argue this is dodging responsibility, but I honestly feel that there is no shame in that, especially since Ling Qi has shown little want or need for honor or similar co cents that would be tied up in this.
 
The Sandman said:
Alternatively, what they don't know can't be used against them because they honestly had nothing to do with it.
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When you're the big kahuna, you don't get to just brush off responsibility for your subordinates' actions, particularly higher ups like Ling Qi and our glasses buddy. It would definitely be used against her regardless of her culpability in the actual sabotage. I mean, this particular case wouldn't really have long-range consequences unless one of the people we sabotaged was actually important and they found us out, but what you're saying would get Cai eaten and spit out in any PR campaign in a more serious setting.

For anything that has the chance for real blowback, it's infinitely better to know beforehand so you can prepare counter contingencies.
 
[X] Admit to the deception about the market, apologize.

Regardless of our ultimate choice, this is how you form allies. She'll appreciate the unsolicited disclosure, and be reassured that we won't tattle on her.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
I don't understand your point. Are you claiming that this has previously materially affected Cai in some way? Besides which she's not our Lord yet, and I'm alarmed you seem to want to dive into absolute obedience even at personal cost to ourselves even before signing up. If you're representative of the playerbase I'm suddenly much more in favour of sticking with the sect.
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Sheesh, the quote I was responding to was using the comparison of us being a spymaster, in the context of us potentially joining Cai, about keeping secrets. I was pointing out that under that dynamic keeping secrets from the person we're supposed to keep informed and abusing our position behind her back would make us a "spectacularly shitty spymaster" to most people.

And it affects Cai, because she's unaware that one of her council members (Fu Xiang) recruited another (Ling Qi) into undermining her ideals and order for his personal gain. And if this got out, it'd be a scandal that would certainly cost her politically if not materially, which is honestly more important to her here.
 
[X] Remain silent, thank her sincerely and speak of yourself as promised.
-[X] Convince Fu Xiang to drop the framing part of the plan, it would be best to avoid further abuses.
 
[X] Remain silent, thank her sincerely and speak of yourself as promised.
-[X] Convince Fu Xiang to drop the framing part of the plan, it would be best to avoid further abuses.
 
[X] Remain silent, thank her sincerely and speak of yourself as promised.
-[X] Convince Fu Xiang to drop the framing part of the plan, it would be best to avoid further abuses.
 
[X] Admit to the deception. Apologize, explain, and accept the consequences.

Going with it. Take the punishment on it's own merits and costs.
 
UniqueName said:
[X] Admit to the deception. Apologize, explain, and accept the consequences.

Just take the risk people, she did told you her secret why not return the favor?
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Because she'll punish us for going against her will? Because this will turn the favor that we did for Fu Xiang into a trap for him and thereby severely anger the only other major information broker around after we have paid him and before he has given us information on a certain dangerous puppeteer? Because when we're set to play as a nominal sneak, thief and spy I would rather see us pulling over things on oblivious people to our benefit instead of blubbering to receive a punishment just because someone else had a sad childhood?

Someone going off about how they are a monster devoid of most humanity and how they will purge corruption does not seem like a great stage setting to tell them that hey oops we kinda betrayed your trust.
 
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[X] Remain silent, thank her sincerely and speak of yourself as promised.
-[X] Convince Fu Xiang to drop the framing part of the plan, it would be best to avoid further abuses.
 
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