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Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition

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WestOrEast said:
Wouldn't it be more dangerous to have a small outpost that could be crushed, instead of expanding to take territory and put in infrastructure so that not everything needs to come off of a cargo ship?
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This ain't an outpost though. It is a 2000 km long highway.
Surging that project means expecting that the military can capture and hold the entire thing in less than a quarter while the highway and tib clearance and fortifications are complete, all of which are rushed to be complete in 3 months.
Workplace Health and Safety would litigate with the fury of Kane...
 
HousePet said:
This ain't an outpost though. It is a 2000 km long highway.
Surging that project means expecting that the military can capture and hold the entire thing in less than a quarter while the highway and tib clearance and fortifications are complete, all of which are rushed to be complete in 3 months.
Workplace Health and Safety would litigate with the fury of Kane...
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I think you're drawing a false dichotomy here between "complete exactly one, smallest phase" and "rush entire project to completion in one quarter."

The plans actually on offer are mostly intermediate, pushing phases one through three in the first quarter, with a pace of construction likely to see the project done in 2065Q2 or 'Q3. This is because we can't actually finish the project in time to count for "kept our promise" unless we get it done in 3-4 turns, and the first phase or two is going to be entirely focused on the port (the actual "Karachi Planned City" part).

Also, note that the 2000 km long highway and railroad and whatnot are not conceptually all that different from, say, the transcontinental railroad we just built coast-to-coast through a Red Zone in North America in about six months. GDI has some really insane construction capabilities.
 
[X] Plan R and R and D in Karachi
[X] Plan go time for Karachi
[X]Plan attempting to address the lore
 
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The rationale behind this plan is to complete:

~50% of Karachi,
Reforestation,
Half or 3/4 of the remaining Red Zone Abatement,
2 thousand more space residents,
Reduced costs for increasing space presence,
Making a good shot toward finishing the hospital goal,
Complete at least one, if not two more Zone Armor phases.

These choices will also support our upcoming offensive. The RZ Containment Lines will help in pressuring Al-Isfahani's rear areas. Analyzing the Tiberium Core Seekers should aid in reducing the efficacy of Al-Isfahani's missile arsenal.

[X] Plan Tale of Two (Planned) Cities
-[X]Infrastructure 5/5 Free Dice: 1/6 Admin Dice: 0/1 AI Dice: 0/1 170R
--[X] Karachi Planned City (Phase 1-4) 0/50 5 dice + 3 Tib dice 160R
--[X] Postwar Housing Refits (Phase 2) 33/150 1 Free die 10R
-[X]Heavy Industry 5/5 Free Dice: 0/6 Admin Dice: 0/2 AI Dice: 0/1 140R
--[X] Aberdeen Isolinear Fabricator (Phase 1) 0/90 3 die 90R 100%
--[X] Microfusion Cell Laboratories 2 die 50R 94%
-[X]Light and Chemical Industry 4/4 Free Dice: 0/6 Admin Dice: 0/2 AI Dice: 0/1 90R
--[X] Bergen Superconductor Foundry (Phase 5) 483/1140 2 die 60R 0%
--[X] Factory Automation Programs 75/280 2 die 30R 16%
-[X]Agriculture 6/6 Free Dice: 0/6 Admin Dice: 0/2 AI Dice: 0/1 60R
--[X] Reforestation Campaign Preparations (Phase 2) 579/790 3 dice 15R 89%
--[X] Spider Cotton Plantations (Phase 2) 95/165 1 die 15R 92%
--[X] Laboratory Meat Deployment (Phase 2) 0/170 2 dice 30R 57%
-[X]Tiberium 7/7 Free Dice: 3/6 Admin Dice: 1/2 AI Dice: 0/1 180R
--[X] 3 dice for Karachi
--[X] Tiberium Inhibitor Deployment (Yellow Zone 10) 0/100 1 Free die 30R
--[X] Red Zone Containment Lines (Stage 6+7) 54/180 4 die 100R 97%
--[X] Enhanced Harvest Tiberium Spikes (Phase 2) 78/180 1 Free dice 20R
--[X] Forgotten Experimentation (Tech) 188/260 1 Free die 30R
-[X]Orbital 7/7 Free Dice: 0/6 Admin Dice: 0/2 AI Dice: 1/1 230R
--[X] GDSS Shala Bays
---[X] Experimental Crops Bay (Stage 1) 0/255 1 die 20R 0%
--[X] Lunar Homesteading (Phase 3) 217/250 1 dice 30R 100%
--[X] Aldrin Planned City (Phase 1) 0/250 5 + Erewhon dice 180R
-[X]Services 4/4 Free Dice: 0/6 Admin Dice: 0/2 AI Dice: 0/1 140R
--[X] Fifth Generation Electronic Video Assistants 1 die 40R 100%
--[X] Regional Hospital Expansions (Phase 2) 2 dice 50R 53%
--[X] Naquada Ring Experiments 1 die 50R 89%
-[X]Military 6/6 Free Dice: 2/6 Admin Dice: 1/2 AI Dice: 0/1 175R
--[X] Tib Core Missile Seeker Analysis (Tech) 0/60 1 die 5R 99%
--[X] Governor-A Deployment (Refits) 126/350 1 Free dice 20R 0%
--[X] Stealth Disruptor Deployment 0/160 1 Free dice 15R 0%
--[X] Next Generation Armored Vehicles (Platform) 77/160 1 die 30R 81%
--[X] Ground Forces Zone Armor (Set 2) (Phase 1+2) 260/285 3 + 1 Admin dice 80R
--[X] Phased Plasma Weapons Development (Tech) 0/80 1 die 15R 85%
-[X]Bureaucracy 4/4 Free Dice: 0/6 AI Dice: 0/1 0R
--[X] Administrative Assistance 2 dice auto
--[X] Tiberium Survey Facilitation 0/400 2 dice
-[]Free Dice 6/6
--[] 1 in Infrastructure
--[] 3 in Tiberium
--[] 2 in Military

Resources used: 1035
 
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Roaming_Guardian said:
What's the deal with no more MARV hubs in yellow zones? Did I miss an update there?
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We haven't seriously considered building any more since the end of the Regency War because it was generally considered that taking more Nod territory would spark a nuclear war we weren't looking forward to. I think this is just making that official. At this point, the operational role of future MARVs has evolved into APK-refining STU production units rather than being primarily military supertanks, and it just doesn't make sense to put them in the Yellow Zones.
 
[X] Plan go time for Karachi
-[X]Infrastructure 5/5 Free Dice: 0/6 Admin Dice: 0/2 AI Dice: 0/1 165R
--[X] Karachi Planned City (Phase 1) 0/50 3 dice + 4 Tib dice 140R 100%
--[X] phase 2 0/150 100%
--[X] phase 3 0/345 100%
--[X] phase 4 0/735 1%
--[X] Postwar Housing Refits (Phase 2) 33/150 1 die 10R 14%
--[X] Drone Logistical Integration 145/240 1 die 15R 47%
-[X]Heavy Industry 5/5 Free Dice: 0/6 Admin Dice: 0/2 AI Dice: 0/1 130R
--[X] Second Generation Continuous Cycle Fusion Plants (Phase 5) 29/270 1 die 20R 0%
--[X] Aberdeen Isolinear Fabricator (Phase 1) 0/90 2 die 60R 100%
--[X] Microfusion Cell Laboratories 2 die 50R 94%
-[X]Light and Chemical Industry 4/4 Free Dice: 0/6 Admin Dice: 0/2 AI Dice: 0/1 80R
--[X] Bergen Superconductor Foundry (Phase 5) 483/1140 1 die 30R 0%
--[X] Factory Automation Programs 75/280 2 die 30R 16%
--[X] Civilian Exosuits 0/85 1 die 20R 69%
-[X]Agriculture 6/6 Free Dice: 0/6 Admin Dice: 0/2 AI Dice: 0/1 50R
--[X] Reforestation Campaign Preparations (Phase 2) 579/790 4 dice 20R 100%
--[X] Vertical Farming Projects (Stage 5) 78/215 1 die 15R 1%
--[X] Spider Cotton Plantations (Phase 2) 95/165 1 die 15R 92%
-[X]Tiberium 7/7 Free Dice: 2/6 Admin Dice: 1/2 AI Dice: 0/1 120R
--[X] 4 dice for Karachi
--[X] Red Zone Containment Lines (Stage 6) 54/180 2 dice 50R 99%
--[X] Liquid Tiberium Power Cell Deployment (Phase 3) 2 dice 40R 100%
--[X] Forgotten Experimentation (Tech) 188/260 1 die 30R 97%
-[X]Orbital 7/7 Free Dice: 1/6 Admin Dice: 0/2 AI Dice: 1/1 250R
--[X] GDSS Columbia Bays
---[X] Assembler Bay 0/255 1 die 20R 0%
--[X] GDSS Shala Bays
---[X] Experimental Crops Bay (Stage 1) 0/255 1 die 20R 0%
--[X] Lunar Homesteading (Phase 3) 217/250 2 dice + Erewhon 90R 100%
--[X] Aldrin Planned City (Phase 1) 0/250 4 dice 120R 100%
-[X]Services 4/4 Free Dice: 0/6 Admin Dice: 0/2 AI Dice: 0/1 140R
--[X] Fifth Generation Electronic Video Assistants 1 die 40R 100%
--[X] Regional Hospital Expansions (Phase 2) 2 dice 50R 53%
--[X] Naquada Ring Experiments 1 die 50R 89%
-[X]Military 6/6 Free Dice: 2/6 Admin Dice: 0/2 AI Dice: 0/1 150R
--[X] Tib Core Missile Seeker Analysis (Tech) 0/60 1 die 5R 99%
--[X] Military Particle Beam Development (Tech) 81/100 1 die 20R 100%
--[X] Next Generation Armored Vehicles (Platform) 77/160 1 die 30R 81%
--[X] Ground Forces Zone Armor (Set 2) (Phase 1) 260/285 4 dice 80R 100%
--[X] phase 3 260/570 79%
--[X] Phased Plasma Weapons Development (Tech) 0/80 1 die 15R 85%
-[X]Bureaucracy 4/4 Free Dice: 2/6 AI Dice: 0/1 0R
--[X] Tiberium Survey Facilitation 0/400 5 dice 63%
-[X]Free Dice 6/6
--[X] 2 in Tiberium
--[X] 1 in Orbital
--[X] 2 in Military
--[X] 1 in Bureaucracy
-[X]Resources Income 1085/1360 Reserve 0/225 Bank 100
 
Simon_Jester said:
We haven't seriously considered building any more since the end of the Regency War because it was generally considered that taking more Nod territory would spark a nuclear war we weren't looking forward to. I think this is just making that official. At this point, the operational role of future MARVs has evolved into APK-refining STU production units rather than being primarily military supertanks, and it just doesn't make sense to put them in the Yellow Zones.
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Thank you.

But also, taking a look at the MARV map, we have a foothold in South America from one pretty close to Panama.

Has there been any discussion on the viability of reclaiming and reopening the Panama Canal?
 
I do not understand why Advanced Articulation Systems are not being done before Zone Armor and Civilian Exosuits. Wouldn't those need a refit right after?
 
Enerael said:
I do not understand why Advanced Articulation Systems are not being done before Zone Armor and Civilian Exosuits. Wouldn't those need a refit right after?
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We'll still be using the existing model for the same reason we still have millions of GD-2 rifles in use even though we have started GD-3 production.
They still work.
 
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Simon_Jester said:
I'm not sure rushing the housing refits this hard is a great political move. I know working on Karachi with Tiberium dice is more efficient on net, but we're a lot harder pressed in Tiberium with a lot of project we really should be pushing to help save the world. I might put one Infrastructure die on the refits, but not 2-3, myself. This is especially true given that you are committing Free dice to Tiberium; it feels like saving Tiberium dice and using Infrastructure dice here instead would make more sense.

This is surprisingly valid, though I think we have enough high priorities elsewhere that Free dice in Industry is a mistake. Something similar might be said for Light Industry.

I do feel like this misses an opportunity by abandoning ongoing projects (the fifth generation AEVAs and the particle weapon research), and that it's a bit iffy to be investing two dice in a Talons project when there is so much else to do.
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Interesting ideas. I broadly disagree, and my plans hardly get any votes anyway so it doesn't matter.
 
*Sigh* Found two more errors. Sorry for not finding these sooner:

Ithillid said:
Tiberium Spread
25.405 (+0.285) Blue Zone
0.00 (-0.04) Green Zone
0.07 (+0.01) Cyan Zone
23.375 (+.235) Yellow Zone (99 points of mitigation)
51.15 (-.49) Red Zone (87 points of mitigation)

New Tiberium Spread
25.755 (+0.35) Blue Zone
0.00 (-0.04) Green Zone
0.07 (+0.00) Cyan Zone
23.725 (+.35) Yellow Zone (96 points of mitigation)
50.45 (-.70) Red Zone (86 points of mitigation)
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We already had 0.00 Green Zone last turn:

Ithillid said:
Tiberium Spread
25.405 (+0.285) Blue Zone
0.00 (-0.04) Green Zone
0.07 (+0.01) Cyan Zone
23.375 (+.235) Yellow Zone (99 points of mitigation)
51.15 (-.49) Red Zone (87 points of mitigation)
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so the new Tiberium spread there should be (-0.00)

Ithillid said:
Plan Goals
Provide 13 Consumer Goods points from the Treasury
Increase Income by 205
Increase population in space by 11.25k
Provide 12 Points of Red Zone Abatement
Spend at least one die on Steel Talons projects every turn

Projects
Complete Karachi Planned City by end of 2065
Complete North Boston Phase 5
Deploy Governor-A refit
Complete at least 4 Ground Forces Zone Armor factories
Complete Reforestation Campaign Preparation Phase 2
Develop Next Generation Armored Vehicles by end of 2065
Complete Regional Hospital Expansions by end of 2065
Complete Post War Housing Refits
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Left the completed plan goals from last turn in the new turn. The Strike-trough text shouldn't be there.
 
Roaming_Guardian said:
Thank you.

But also, taking a look at the MARV map, we have a foothold in South America from one pretty close to Panama.

Has there been any discussion on the viability of reclaiming and reopening the Panama Canal?
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Not yet, though there's precedent for us reconstructing major world infrastructure projects if we can push back the tiberium around them (see also the Transcontinental Railroad)

Enerael said:
I do not understand why Advanced Articulation Systems are not being done before Zone Armor and Civilian Exosuits. Wouldn't those need a refit right after?
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Existing zone armor is satisfactory and already in massive ongoing production. With the timeskip and likely end of major warfare between GDI and Nod coming up in 2066, there really isn't that much point in worrying about things like that for military equipment in my opinion. For civilian exosuits, well, there's a good chance that a lot of the advanced articulation tech will be proprietary to the military for some time anyway; GDI's like that.

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I get the sense that you may have reconsidered about the assembly bay, but basically, my reasoning is that this specific project is still well worth reaching for as an adjunct to Aldrin City. Aldrin City is specifically about developing more space manufacture for industrial goods, after all, and work on the assembly bay lines up well with that.

The extra Shala bays, by contrast, I consider to be lower-priority, so I doubt I'll push to finish those until we're sure Aldrin City is adequately covered.
 
[X] Plan Attempting to Start Karachi

I want to start up the Isolinear chip factory before we start work on the next generation of AI so I'm going with this plan to instead of the screaming one. Since Isolinear chips promise to be such a massive boost to computing power, I want our next AI's to be built around them instead of what is going to be the old style of computer chips.
 
HousePet said:
Yellow Zone Hubs are no longer an option. It would also be Bannerjee territory. That would be rude.
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Roaming_Guardian said:
What's the deal with no more MARV hubs in yellow zones? Did I miss an update there?
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Simon_Jester said:
We haven't seriously considered building any more since the end of the Regency War because it was generally considered that taking more Nod territory would spark a nuclear war we weren't looking forward to. I think this is just making that official. At this point, the operational role of future MARVs has evolved into APK-refining STU production units rather than being primarily military supertanks, and it just doesn't make sense to put them in the Yellow Zones.
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We also lost Blue Zone MARV Hubs as of this turn as far as I can tell. My plan will be incoming later because I need to go shopping, but for now a question for @Ithillid:

Does the completion of the new AI Development Programs still get us more Dice?
 
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