Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
- Location
- Belgrade,Serbia
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
The world hasn't stopped screaming since I was a child, only the volume changes day by day, I have some memories of the world not screaming when I was a child, but that was decades ago so I have no idea what to do with you being sorry about my mental state, but thank you all the same.
I try Simon, I have been trying for awhile and have been improving in my attempts, but they don't always succeed.
And let's not forget that unlike skyscrapers, arcologies are meant to be as closed a system as one can get them to be meaning they are much wider that skyscraper. I mean that is why most modern suggestions for building arcologies have them be pyramids and not a rectangular box sticking into the sky.
- Location
- USA
We really need to knock out all our weird plant projects soon.
I know they all seem like they don't have much of a effect but I bet anything they each combine with other stuff and are gating some crazy sci-fi projects behind them.
Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
We dont know the STU cost of microfusion, other STU projects like hovercraft deployment, or the STU income increase of the improved Tib refining process so that seems premature. Also most of the STU costing projects are upgrades of capabilities we already possess, not entirely new ones. And anyway given the inevitable synergy with power armor and energy weapons among other things if I had to pick one use of STU of all of our planned projects it would be... gravitic space ships actually, and hovercraft second, but this would be third.
I am not assuming that not taking it has been a mistake. It seems like it to me but I lack enough info to do that, would have to go through the turns and see what we took over it for example.
Centralized meg-factories were a very good decision given the state of GDI economy at quest start, as they are much more cost efficient. We can decentralize just fine after building them. And indeed very much should. Come to think of it perhaps that might be part of why some parties wanted those industrial capstones, so that another such factory can be started and some degree of decentralization achieved.
I am not confident that more hospitals closer to people would not increase quality of life and life expectancy, but could be.
I think that you might be underestimating just how difficult synthesizing drugs that a plant can produce with just some soil, water, and sunlight can be and often is. The cost savings from this should be considerable, freeing up resources for other drugs and medical equipment, as well as providing a decentralized reliable source of them. But who knows how Ithillid plays it I suppose.
Thanks but still not gonna vote. I try to vote responsibly and this wouldn't be it.
Given the need for mitigation and that ZOCOM OKed red zone expansion focusing on Vein Mines seems like paranoia though.
Food grown in Shala should be basic to start with, its an experimental station that should be producing staples. We also know, or at least one forum post mentioned, that space workers eat very well currently including bacon sometimes. So I don't think this is the case. Good thinking though.Political Support is not always a perfect gauge of how popular a project is. While negative Political Support strongly correlates to unpopularity, and positive Political Support usually correlates to positive popularity, the exact degree varies. In particular, Political Support directly measures popularity and ability to earn favors among the legislators.
Sometimes, a project may be popular with politicians for reasons that do not precisely align with either the needs or demands of GDI's population as a whole. Cynically, one might consider that our legislature meets aboard the Philadelphia, a giant space station, and that the products of Shala's space farms will assuredly be showing up aboard the Philadelphia long before the average citizen of GDI gets a bite...
Hm, that's a very good point.
"Many years" is the best a quick search could find. Really, a good example might be riding a bike. That's something you don't forget even after decades of not riding it.
Also, brain is plastic and as much as it reprograms the visual cortex for other senses it can reprogram it right back. All this would do is make it take some more time for the people who had been blind the longest to recover.
You are conflating a number of different matters here.
1) Just increasing our health indicator improves the average access and effectiveness.
2) Automation in medicine does not necessarily mean better care. It can mean worse care for those who get the automated procedures, it's just that because of automation that the same quantity of personnel can extend medical care to more people, which means higher Health indicator.
3) Just because something isn't over capacity doesn't mean it would not benefit from expansion. If our health care system is running at 95% capacity during normal operations a 6% point spike would put it over capacity. Expanding our medical facilities to take spikes in demand because of disaster, natural or man made, without going over capacity would substantially improve health care during those times.
4) While we can safely presume that GDI encourages a healthy work-life balance among its staff, mostly a result of the wholesome bat being enthusiastically applied, it's quite possible that some parts of our medical system are still running on the US's 'fuck your personal life, you are running 24 hour shifts and like it' standard. More excess capacity would actually force a better work-life balance into medical professions because there is no point not to have a sensible schedule when there is no strain anyway.
5) The most fundamental advance we've got in health care AFAICT is advances in genetic engineering. Not to undersell the importance of prosthethics advances, mind.
6) The main use of poulticeplants is how you can have a plant growing at home and have it replace or at least supplement bandages and band-aids. They're not particularly awesome, but then, Health indicator is not supposed to come from Agriculture, it's more a Services thing.
7) Poulticeplants most likely gatekeep a number of plant based medical production methods that can help with hard to produce medications, or work as alternative and more pleasant administration methods.
I believe we also have word of QM that poultice-plants are the first step on to road to Medi-gel, or something like it. While unlikely (if not outright impossible) that we'd manage to deploy Medi-gel during this quests, the things we develop on that branch of the tech-tree would revolutionize field medicine at least.
- Location
- MSC
Probably worth it to reallocate a dice from Services into Agri.
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
- Location
- USG Ishimura
I'll worry about dice reallocation once we see who's available for hire. I'm pretty happy with those dice being where they are. I wouldn't mind moving a dice from Service to Agriculture, but if we hire someone who give Agriculture Dice we don't need to.
- Pronouns
- He/It/Argh!
That will depend on who we can get from the recruitment drive, and on what bureaus we think we might spin up this Plan.
- Location
- MSC
Yeah, 6 dice on Agri might be overkill.
In which case we should consider moving dice from Services to HI. Definitely will not be overkill there, even if we hire HI specialist.
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- Mid-Atlantic
Hm. I wouldn't think the poulticeplants, as they are now or are likely to become soon, could produce anything for them that we can't produce synthetically.
But I'm not saying it's not worth a try at some point. I'm tentatively hoping to at least get the Phase 1 deployment of the stuff done during the current Plan; it's just not a priority, but rather something to do after all the Plan goals are settled.
Sure, but even then, our nanotube plants were decentralized. Unlike our chip fabbers, for instance.
Maybe it's just a question of the relative scale of industrial machinery required to produce the stuff in reasonable quantity at reasonable quality.
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"I am not confident that more hospitals closer to people would not increase quality of life and life expectancy, but could be.
I think that you might be underestimating just how difficult synthesizing drugs that a plant can produce with just some soil, water, and sunlight can be and often is. The cost savings from this should be considerable, freeing up resources for other drugs and medical equipment, as well as providing a decentralized reliable source of them. But who knows how Ithillid plays it I suppose."
In regards to the first, I'm not saying it can't have an impact, but we've been told pretty overtly that the current system isn't causing serious shortages of healthcare capability. I view it as a 'nice to have' project... But then, that's more or less the same way I view a lot of things in Services.
In regards to the second, I'm hoping for impact, but given that we have to genetically engineer the plants to produce each medication, I don't want to overestimate the impact.
My core point, in both cases, is that more Health is good but we shouldn't get overzealous about it, or neglect certain kinds of benefits because we're too preoccupied with others. In this case, for instance, it's about the pressure between the tension between hospital expansions, getting a head start on second generation ocular implants, and getting rollout of first generation implants. All are clearly good in different ways, and it's easy to play up the advantages of one while ignoring the others.
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"Food grown in Shala should be basic to start with, its an experimental station that should be producing staples. We also know, or at least one forum post mentioned, that space workers eat very well currently including bacon sometimes. So I don't think this is the case. Good thinking though."
For a time, but the higher phases of Shala will implicitly include more ambitious plans, or the station wouldn't be good for +Consoom. And the thought may well be there.
1) Yes, but there's a point of diminishing returns. Eventually, more health care spending stops causing significantly increased life expectancy. I suspect we're nearing that point.
2) Given the types of automation we use, I'm a bit doubtful that it's resulting in "cheap crappy" health care outcomes for many people. I'm talking about Automated Medical Assistants and Neural Interface Operating Theaters here, to be clear.
3) Our health care system got hit with a pretty significant spike just a couple of years ago from a simultaneous war (requiring care for wounded soldiers) and massive wave of refugees (all of whom needed checkups and usually a lot more than that). The current system has enough redundancy to weather that hit without outcomes slipping below our basic standard of care for the general population. The theoretical scenario "for all we know, we're running at the ragged limit of our capacity" is contradicted by our recent experiences. +13 Health is in some sense the measure of our existing resilience and surplus capacity, and it'd take a pretty damn big thwack to push the system past its limits.
4) See (3). There is good reason to believe that we are insulated against some fairly sizeable spikes, because we got hit with two spikes simultaneously and our current health care system was good enough to keep us in the positives despite that (though we briefly dipped to -1 for a turn or so while still getting some of that set up).
7) I'm not averse to doing development, see my comments to Enerael. At the same time, it's an "optional," and I'm treating it accordingly.
We almost certainly need that die in Heavy Industry more.
See @doruma1920 's analysis here:
Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
Post-Reallocation Four Year Plan Required Dice For the Fourth FYP Infrastructure Projects Infrastructure has the two Planned City Projects of Chicago and Karachi, though given Karachi can be worked on in Tiberium and it is more efficient there, we will likely focus our efforts there. Required...
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Now, Doruma deliberately made a pessimistic analysis of how much Food we'd need by assuming a constant heavy flow of refugees eating an extra -3 Food per turn for the entire Plan. Even so, by his calculations, we're only going to need to spend a fraction of our Agriculture dice. Let me be even more pessimistic than him:
Targets:
Provide 40 Consumer Goods from Agriculture
Compete Dairy Ranching Domes Phase 2 by end of 2065
Complete 2 phases of Reforestation Preparation
Now, let's be hilariously pessimistic. Forget all the +Consumer Goods from ongoing phases of Perennials (by Doruma's math, that's 13-15). Assume that +Consumer Goods from luxury foods on Shala doesn't count towards the target. Assume that each phase of Reforestation Preparation is a 500-point megaproject in its own right, and contributes nothing to our economy directly.
Assume no further Agriculture bonuses, so the bonus stalls out at +28, for an average progress of roughly 78 points per die. I'll try to round requirements up.
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To have a reasonably practical path to +40 Consumer Goods from Agriculture under these very hostile conditions, we'd need something like:
Wadmalaw Kudzu Plantations Phase 3 (+8 Consumer Goods) (394 Progress left, 6 dice)
Dairy Ranches Phases 1+2+3 (+18 Consumer Goods, -9 Food) (600 Progress, 8 dice)
Vertical Farming Phases 3+4+5+6 (+16 Consumer Goods, +16 Food) (166+720 = 886 Progress left, 12 dice)
That gets us to +42 Consumer Goods, +7 Food.
But wait! We need -48 Food, based on rather painful estimates of massive refugee influx continuing throughout the plan that I made up just to make things more difficult! Well, Shala provides +15 Food when completed and I'm not going to ignore that, since we definitely plan to complete the station. And we just lined up +7. So we have +22 covered, and need +26 more.
Agriculture Mechanization Projects Phase 2 (+12 Food) (224 Progress left, 3 dice)
Blue Zone Aquaponics Bays Phases 5+6+7 (+18 Food) (122+280 = 402 Progress left, 6 dice)
That gives us a net +4 Food even with the refugees factored in. Well and good. Combine this with
Reforestation Preparation Phases 1+2 (1000 (!) Progress, 13 dice)
So all this adds up to 6+8+12+3+6+13 Agriculture dice, or 48 Agriculture dice.
We have 64 dice to spend.
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In conclusion, under no realistic conditions are we likely to even need to spend all our existing Agriculture dice to hit the Plan targets, which means we should probably prioritize areas where we have more going on and less over-capacity to meet our needs.
- Location
- MSC
Still, might be useful for hitting our "want to do projects".
But I do agree - HI and Orbital are top priorities. Agriculture, if we can. Maybe?
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- Mid-Atlantic
While I'm sure we can find something to do with a fifth or sixth Agriculture die, it is a long way down my list of priorities, especially since I'm pretty sure that I grossly overestimated the total number of dice we'll need just now.
Lurking_Badger
Cheese Enjoyer
- Location
- Wisconsin
If we have so many extra agriculture dice, even with a very pessimistic view, why can't we spend one on developing polticeplants now instead of later?
In your own calculations, we have 16 extra dice (a years worth) of leeway. Over the course of the plan it won't effect the overall Food and Consumer Goods yield, but also is more beneficial since it gives more time for scientific developments to occur (and completes a project that several people want done.)
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
The clear reason to not do it now is that it's a 20 R/die project and deployment will probably be at least 15 R/die, just like with spider cotton. These plants produce pharmaceutical-grade chemicals; they're going to require a lot of care and tending.
As such, it's a little pricey for an optional passion project right now.
Now, if you ask me the same question again in 2062Q3 or Q4, I'll be all like "Sure, why not? Throw it on the pile!"
I don't know where you got the idea that I never want to develop this stuff. But right now we're still budget-limited, in that we actively cannot afford to activate all of our dice in the style that we'd like. Talk to me again when we have enough money that 20 R/die is something we can afford to spend on our average dice, not just on special projects that are important enough to justify scrimping and saving and making painful cuts in other departments for budgetary reasons.
Here, now, in this moment, the money ain't there. That'll change.
Deep Red Zone Glacier Mines are indeed really good - which is why I am puzzled that more people aren't putting more dice on Zone Armor factories to ensure that their massive surge in Red Zone operations doesn't give Zocom a collective heart attack when they see it happening combined with a less-than-50% chance of completing the next factory. Especially after the critfail that caused London to (as I interpret it) effectively delay starting production by up to a full turn.
To quote the message from Zocom authorizing RZ operations: "Units which would use this equipment will need a considerable measure of retraining, but if the needed equipment is delivered promptly they should be qualified for Red Zone operations by the time Nod is capable of probing GDI's expanded abatement efforts. " (bolding mine, for emphasis)
Due to the London factory's production delays, that conditional is not being met to the degree I think is needed.
GDI does have some sci-fi magic batteries just to be able to handle the things we see in canon, but you're not wrong - it's mostly that most of the people pushing MF Cells have been doing so under the impression it would help for larger applications, which is not the case anytime soon.
Honestly, with that attitude, you may well vote more responsibly than some, just by picking a few issues, and looking for a plan that meets those needs.
As regards the Shala/Columbia debate, getting either station to Phase 3 is quite doable in one turn, with a Free Die or two being spent. So, I don't really think the question of which one to do first matters all that much.
The clear reason not to do it now is that we can get Kudzutea phase 3 out by Q2, which not only gives us a bunch of Consumer Goods, but also a universal +1 for dice because of Sufficient Caffeination. 🍵
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- Mid-Atlantic
Because we think you're overestimating how much is needed to get the job done.
Personally, I figure that Ground Force must have been contemplating arming a force several times the entire size of ZOCOM's whole global order of battle with just the output of the first set of factories, because even "the tip of the spear" on the scale Ground Force operates on is big compared to ZOCOM, which has like... six divisions' worth of troops for the whole planet.
So the idea that after the first factory starts turning out power armor in, say, September 2061, and the second in December 2061 or very early 2062, that it's vital to get the third factory right away... Well, I'm not saying you're categorically wrong, but I don't think you should underestimate the possibility that this isn't as bottomless a black hole of demand as you think.
Shadows
Sacred Priestess of the Benevolent Dice Gods
- Location
- USS Civilian, DDG-214
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Hell with it. Have another plan.
[X] Plan Yeeted Into The Red Zones
-[X] Infrastructure (5/5 Dice, +36 bonus, 50 R)
--[X] Blue Zone Apartments (Phase 9+10) 82/320 (2 dice * 10 R = 20R) (13%)
--[X] Communal Housing Experiments (2 dice * 10 R = 20R) (87%)
--[X] Green Architecture Risk Assessment and Testing 0/90 (1 die * 10 R = 10R) (67%)
-[X] Heavy Industry (4/4 Dice, +33 bonus, 65 R)
--[X] Advanced Alloys Development 56/120 (1 die * 15 R = 15R) (90%)
--[X] Low Velocity Particle Applicator Development (Tech) 0/120 (1 die* 20R = 20R)
--[X] Personal Electric Vehicle Plants 0/300 (1 die * 10R = 10 R) (1/4 median)
--[X] Microfusion Cell Development 0/60 (1 die * 20R = 20R) (94%)
-[X] Light Industry (3/4 Dice, +28 bonus, 30 R)
--[X] Isolinear Peripherals Development (0/160) (3 dice * 10R = 30R) (99%)
-[X] Agriculture (4/4 Dice, +28 bonus, 30 R)
--[X] Wadmalaw Kudzu Plantations (Phase 3) (56/450) (3 dice * 10R = 30R) (1/2 median)
--[X] Security Review
-[X] Tiberium (7 Dice + 7 Free Dice, +43 bonus, 350 R)
--[X] Tiberium Vein Mines (Stage 2+3) (5/385) (4 dice * 20R = 80R) (43%)
--[X] Red Zone Border Offensives (Stage 2+3) (101/500) (6 dice * 25R = 125R) (98%)
--[X] Deep Red Zone Tiberium Glacier Mining (Stage 1) (0/250) (4 dice * 30R = 120R) (98% + possibility of completing Phase 2)
-[X] Orbital (6/6 dice + Erewhon, +30 bonus, 100 R)
--[X] Station Bay 248/400 (2 dice * 20 R = 40R) (79%)
--[X] Orbital Cleanup (Stage 11+12) 32/170 (2 dice * 10R = 20R) (58%)
--[X] Leopard II Factory (152/400) (1+E dice * 20 R = 40R) (2/3.5 median) (4%)
--[X] 1 dice locked for Orbital AEVA
-[X] Services (5/5 Dice, +31 bonus, 80 R)
--[X] Specialist Isolinear Programming Development (0/120) (1 dice * 10R = 10R) (31%)
--[X] Gene Clinics (0/120) (1 dice * 10R = 10R) (31%)
--[X] Advanced Electronic Video Assistant Deployment
---[X] Orbital (0/200) (3 dice * 20R = 60R) (88%)
-[X] Military (8/8 dice, +30 bonus, 140 R)
--[X] GD-3 Rifle Development (0/30) (1 die * 10R = 10R) (100%)
--[X] Ground Forces Zone Armor (Set 1) (Phase 3+4) 0/360 (5 dice * 20R = 100R) (84%)
--[X] Infantry Recon Drone Development 0/40 (1 dice * 10R = 10R) (99%)
--[X] Unmanned Support Ground Vehicle Development (Tech) 0/80 (1 dice * 20R = 20R) (71%)
-[X] Bureaucracy (4 Dice, +28 bonus)
--[X] Recruitment Drives (3D)
--[X] Security Review (1 dice)
---[X] Agriculture
Cost is 845/855R. This one focuses just about everything on expanding our Red Zone capabilities as far as they'll go, as fast as they'll go, and use them just about as fast. The main difference between this and First Quarter Blues Mk III is the deletion of the Buckler Shield development and Ferro-Aluminum Armor refits in favor of maxed Zone Armor and Infantry Recon Drones, along with shifting a die from Specialist Isolinear Programming to Gene Clinics. Can be convinced to put it back in in place of Infantry Recon Drone development for an additional 10R.
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As a reminder, here's my other plan:
[X] Plan First Quarter Blues Mk III (Orbital AEVA Remix, Final Rev)
-[X] Infrastructure (5/5 Dice, +36 bonus, 50 R)
--[X] Blue Zone Apartments (Phase 9+10) 82/320 (2 dice * 10 R = 20R) (13%)
--[X] Communal Housing Experiments (2 dice * 10 R = 20R) (87%)
--[X] Green Architecture Risk Assessment and Testing 0/90 (1 die * 10 R = 10R) (67%)
-[X] Heavy Industry (4/4 Dice, +33 bonus, 65 R)
--[X] Advanced Alloys Development 56/120 (1 die * 15 R = 15R) (90%)
--[X] Low Velocity Particle Applicator Development (Tech) 0/120 (1 die* 20R = 20R)
--[X] Personal Electric Vehicle Plants 0/300 (1 die * 10R = 10 R) (1/4 median)
--[X] Microfusion Cell Development 0/60 (1 die * 20R = 20R) (94%)
-[X] Light Industry (3/4 Dice, +28 bonus, 30 R)
--[X] Isolinear Peripherals Development (0/160) (3 dice * 10R = 30R) (99%)
-[X] Agriculture (4/4 Dice, +28 bonus, 30 R)
--[X] Wadmalaw Kudzu Plantations (Phase 3) (56/450) (3 dice * 10R = 30R) (1/2 median)
--[X] Security Review
-[X] Tiberium (7 Dice + 7 Free Dice, +43 bonus, 345 R)
--[X] Tiberium Vein Mines (Stage 2+3) (5/385) (5 dice * 20R = 100R) (88%)
--[X] Red Zone Border Offensives (Stage 2+3) (101/500) (5 dice * 25R = 125R) (81%)
--[X] Deep Red Zone Tiberium Glacier Mining (Stage 1) (0/250) (4 dice * 30R = 120R) (98% + possibility of completing Phase 2)
-[X] Orbital (6/6 dice + Erewhon, +30 bonus, 100 R)
--[X] Station Bay 248/400 (2 dice * 20 R = 40R) (79%)
--[X] Orbital Cleanup (Stage 11+12) 32/170 (1+E dice * 10R = 20R) (58%)
--[X] Leopard II Factory (152/400) (2 dice * 20 R = 40R) (2/3.5 median) (4%)
--[X] 1 dice locked for Orbital AEVA
-[X] Services (5/5 Dice, +31 bonus, 80 R)
--[X] Specialist Isolinear Programming Development (0/120) (2 dice * 10R = 20R) (95%)
--[X] Advanced Electronic Video Assistant Deployment
---[X] Orbital (0/200) (3 dice * 20R = 60R) (88%)
-[X] Military (8/8 dice, +30 bonus, 105 R)
--[X] GD-3 Rifle Development (0/30) (1 die * 10R = 10R) (100%)
--[X] Ground Forces Zone Armor (Set 1) (Phase 3) (2 dice * 20R = 40R) (47%)
--[X] Ferro Aluminum Armor Refits (0/350) (3 dice * 5R = 15R) (3%)
--[X] Buckler Shield Development (0/100) (1 dice * 20R = 20R) (51%)
--[X] Unmanned Support Ground Vehicle Development (Tech) 0/80 (1 dice * 20R = 20R) (71%)
-[X] Bureaucracy (4 Dice, +28 bonus)
--[X] Recruitment Drives (3D)
--[X] Security Review (1 dice)
---[X] Agriculture
The goal here is to complete a load of diverse mining options and open up at least one, probably two more Deep Red Zone Glacier Mines, get one of said mines finished and maybe even a second if the rolls are good, do some Vein Mines so we can start seeing how deep therabbit hole Tiberium goes, finish the Station Bay and have a good shot at finishing Orbital Cleanup, get close to finishing the Leo II factory, up our Orbital bonus through the use of AEVA, and do a lot of tech dev.
Total cost: 805R. This makes it... probably the most economical plan proposed thus far. Which is hysterical. We should probably not blow through our whole reserve in one turn.
[X] Plan Yeeted Into The Red Zones
-[X] Infrastructure (5/5 Dice, +36 bonus, 50 R)
--[X] Blue Zone Apartments (Phase 9+10) 82/320 (2 dice * 10 R = 20R) (13%)
--[X] Communal Housing Experiments (2 dice * 10 R = 20R) (87%)
--[X] Green Architecture Risk Assessment and Testing 0/90 (1 die * 10 R = 10R) (67%)
-[X] Heavy Industry (4/4 Dice, +33 bonus, 65 R)
--[X] Advanced Alloys Development 56/120 (1 die * 15 R = 15R) (90%)
--[X] Low Velocity Particle Applicator Development (Tech) 0/120 (1 die* 20R = 20R)
--[X] Personal Electric Vehicle Plants 0/300 (1 die * 10R = 10 R) (1/4 median)
--[X] Microfusion Cell Development 0/60 (1 die * 20R = 20R) (94%)
-[X] Light Industry (3/4 Dice, +28 bonus, 30 R)
--[X] Isolinear Peripherals Development (0/160) (3 dice * 10R = 30R) (99%)
-[X] Agriculture (4/4 Dice, +28 bonus, 30 R)
--[X] Wadmalaw Kudzu Plantations (Phase 3) (56/450) (3 dice * 10R = 30R) (1/2 median)
--[X] Security Review
-[X] Tiberium (7 Dice + 7 Free Dice, +43 bonus, 350 R)
--[X] Tiberium Vein Mines (Stage 2+3) (5/385) (4 dice * 20R = 80R) (43%)
--[X] Red Zone Border Offensives (Stage 2+3) (101/500) (6 dice * 25R = 125R) (98%)
--[X] Deep Red Zone Tiberium Glacier Mining (Stage 1) (0/250) (4 dice * 30R = 120R) (98% + possibility of completing Phase 2)
-[X] Orbital (6/6 dice + Erewhon, +30 bonus, 100 R)
--[X] Station Bay 248/400 (2 dice * 20 R = 40R) (79%)
--[X] Orbital Cleanup (Stage 11+12) 32/170 (2 dice * 10R = 20R) (58%)
--[X] Leopard II Factory (152/400) (1+E dice * 20 R = 40R) (2/3.5 median) (4%)
--[X] 1 dice locked for Orbital AEVA
-[X] Services (5/5 Dice, +31 bonus, 80 R)
--[X] Specialist Isolinear Programming Development (0/120) (1 dice * 10R = 10R) (31%)
--[X] Gene Clinics (0/120) (1 dice * 10R = 10R) (31%)
--[X] Advanced Electronic Video Assistant Deployment
---[X] Orbital (0/200) (3 dice * 20R = 60R) (88%)
-[X] Military (8/8 dice, +30 bonus, 140 R)
--[X] GD-3 Rifle Development (0/30) (1 die * 10R = 10R) (100%)
--[X] Ground Forces Zone Armor (Set 1) (Phase 3+4) 0/360 (5 dice * 20R = 100R) (84%)
--[X] Infantry Recon Drone Development 0/40 (1 dice * 10R = 10R) (99%)
--[X] Unmanned Support Ground Vehicle Development (Tech) 0/80 (1 dice * 20R = 20R) (71%)
-[X] Bureaucracy (4 Dice, +28 bonus)
--[X] Recruitment Drives (3D)
--[X] Security Review (1 dice)
---[X] Agriculture
Cost is 845/855R. This one focuses just about everything on expanding our Red Zone capabilities as far as they'll go, as fast as they'll go, and use them just about as fast. The main difference between this and First Quarter Blues Mk III is the deletion of the Buckler Shield development and Ferro-Aluminum Armor refits in favor of maxed Zone Armor and Infantry Recon Drones, along with shifting a die from Specialist Isolinear Programming to Gene Clinics. Can be convinced to put it back in in place of Infantry Recon Drone development for an additional 10R.
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As a reminder, here's my other plan:
[X] Plan First Quarter Blues Mk III (Orbital AEVA Remix, Final Rev)
-[X] Infrastructure (5/5 Dice, +36 bonus, 50 R)
--[X] Blue Zone Apartments (Phase 9+10) 82/320 (2 dice * 10 R = 20R) (13%)
--[X] Communal Housing Experiments (2 dice * 10 R = 20R) (87%)
--[X] Green Architecture Risk Assessment and Testing 0/90 (1 die * 10 R = 10R) (67%)
-[X] Heavy Industry (4/4 Dice, +33 bonus, 65 R)
--[X] Advanced Alloys Development 56/120 (1 die * 15 R = 15R) (90%)
--[X] Low Velocity Particle Applicator Development (Tech) 0/120 (1 die* 20R = 20R)
--[X] Personal Electric Vehicle Plants 0/300 (1 die * 10R = 10 R) (1/4 median)
--[X] Microfusion Cell Development 0/60 (1 die * 20R = 20R) (94%)
-[X] Light Industry (3/4 Dice, +28 bonus, 30 R)
--[X] Isolinear Peripherals Development (0/160) (3 dice * 10R = 30R) (99%)
-[X] Agriculture (4/4 Dice, +28 bonus, 30 R)
--[X] Wadmalaw Kudzu Plantations (Phase 3) (56/450) (3 dice * 10R = 30R) (1/2 median)
--[X] Security Review
-[X] Tiberium (7 Dice + 7 Free Dice, +43 bonus, 345 R)
--[X] Tiberium Vein Mines (Stage 2+3) (5/385) (5 dice * 20R = 100R) (88%)
--[X] Red Zone Border Offensives (Stage 2+3) (101/500) (5 dice * 25R = 125R) (81%)
--[X] Deep Red Zone Tiberium Glacier Mining (Stage 1) (0/250) (4 dice * 30R = 120R) (98% + possibility of completing Phase 2)
-[X] Orbital (6/6 dice + Erewhon, +30 bonus, 100 R)
--[X] Station Bay 248/400 (2 dice * 20 R = 40R) (79%)
--[X] Orbital Cleanup (Stage 11+12) 32/170 (1+E dice * 10R = 20R) (58%)
--[X] Leopard II Factory (152/400) (2 dice * 20 R = 40R) (2/3.5 median) (4%)
--[X] 1 dice locked for Orbital AEVA
-[X] Services (5/5 Dice, +31 bonus, 80 R)
--[X] Specialist Isolinear Programming Development (0/120) (2 dice * 10R = 20R) (95%)
--[X] Advanced Electronic Video Assistant Deployment
---[X] Orbital (0/200) (3 dice * 20R = 60R) (88%)
-[X] Military (8/8 dice, +30 bonus, 105 R)
--[X] GD-3 Rifle Development (0/30) (1 die * 10R = 10R) (100%)
--[X] Ground Forces Zone Armor (Set 1) (Phase 3) (2 dice * 20R = 40R) (47%)
--[X] Ferro Aluminum Armor Refits (0/350) (3 dice * 5R = 15R) (3%)
--[X] Buckler Shield Development (0/100) (1 dice * 20R = 20R) (51%)
--[X] Unmanned Support Ground Vehicle Development (Tech) 0/80 (1 dice * 20R = 20R) (71%)
-[X] Bureaucracy (4 Dice, +28 bonus)
--[X] Recruitment Drives (3D)
--[X] Security Review (1 dice)
---[X] Agriculture
The goal here is to complete a load of diverse mining options and open up at least one, probably two more Deep Red Zone Glacier Mines, get one of said mines finished and maybe even a second if the rolls are good, do some Vein Mines so we can start seeing how deep the
Total cost: 805R. This makes it... probably the most economical plan proposed thus far. Which is hysterical. We should probably not blow through our whole reserve in one turn.
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Yes we should, that's standard practice on the first turn of a new FYP for us. Money sitting in the reserve isn't actually doing anything, if we have useful things to invest in that will generate any kind of return, they're a better investment than sitting on reserved cash. 50R sitting in the reserve generates no return and only lets us have 50R to spend once in Q2. That same 50R invested in more glacier mining dice to score a second phase, however, gets us at minimum 60R to spend next turn and quite probably more. 60-90R of recurring income for every single turn left in the FYP rather than a one-time reserve, to boot. It's actively harmful to our budget to sit on reserved resources that could instead be generating massive returns.
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Yes, actually, that 50R is doing things now that we have a bank. Everything we don't use is available for the bank to use to boost the private sector.
In addition, I maxed my dice in Tiberium before I ran out of money at 805R.
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The banking system already has 100R dedicated to it that we can't touch, we're not going to strangle the bank. And unless you're expecting our taxation income to quadruple overnight because of an extra 50R in the banking system, it's still a massively inferior investment to super glaciers. And there's no actual indication that maintaining a reserve above the bank's already-locked 100R actually accelerates the economy. Certainly not enough to quadruple taxation in one single turn, which again is what it would have to do to be barely competitive with the worst possible glacier mining outcome.
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Thing is, the consequence of me being wrong, and going for it, is... minor delay on other projects we do a turn later. The consequence of me being right, and us not giving Zocom the armor they need... probably ranges from PS loss, to those operations not being able to be completed/operational as expected.
5 dice on Zone Armor? I'm in.