[X] Plan Attempting To Have Banks And Walls Of Guns
[X] Plan Attempting To Have Banks In Chicago


Welp, looks like it's time for that approval vote.
 
I am not really happy that the runner up plan is not even doing a lipservice to the Island class assault carriers which won't get my vote because after the results is reallocation and the Navy might embarass us if they show Fleetplan 2070 with only a defensive component during the parliamentary budget hearings because I'm sure this will be a marathon session to get started for the next long term plans of the government.

I would prefer if the free dice from either tiberium or orbital would be changed to the Island class because there is a lot of untouchable items already in that plan from ZOCOM, Space Force, and the Steel Talons. Since they are the only free dice that can be moved even if I'm reluctant on Orbital.
 
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I am not really happy that the runner up plan is not even doing a lipservice to the Island class assault carriers because it won't get my vote because after the results is reallocation and the Navy might embarass us if they show Fleetplan 2070 with only a defensive component during the parliamentary budget hearings because I'm sure this will be a marathon session to get started for the next long term plans of the government.

I would prefer if the free dice from either tiberium or orbital would be changed to the Island class because there is a lot of untouchable items already in that plan from ZOCOM, Space Force, and the Steel Talons. Since they are the only free dice that can be moved even if I'm reluctant on Orbital.

My plan is like the runner up, but has the Island Class in it.
 
@Lightwhispers, is there any chance you could move one Military die, say Modular Rapid Assembly Systems, to either Monitor or Island-class development? We may be about to lose both options permanently with reallocation. Islands might be vital for post-Karachi naval offensives, but Monitors could be out sooner.

It will not be during Reallocation, but it may be during the next election, 2 years later. We have some time to shift dice into Monitor and Island class development and deployment.

The navy is looking for a 2070 fleet composition, not 2065, after all.
 
I don't really see why the Treasury should be trying to influence what the Navy puts in the fleet plan. Are the Navy not the experts here? We could easily be locking in something sub-optimal.
 
I don't really see why the Treasury should be trying to influence what the Navy puts in the fleet plan. Are the Navy not the experts here? We could easily be locking in something sub-optimal.
The reason why the naval plan for 2070 is the way it is due to our funding of defensive ships over offensive ones. By 2070 we stand to lose the ability to make offensive ships or so I understand from why the QM is saying. This isn't due to "naval expertise" but rather due to our funding choices
 
The reason why the naval plan for 2070 is the way it is due to our funding of defensive ships over offensive ones. By 2070 we stand to lose the ability to make offensive ships or so I understand from why the QM is saying. This isn't due to "naval expertise" but rather due to our funding choices
Well, we'll lose that ability earlier than 2070, because the Navy needs time to come up with fleet composition and doctrine, and therefore will lock the plan down some years before 2070. Now, I don't think we need to immediately make plans for Island class to not lose it, but we need it soonish and now is not the worst time, I guess.
 
I would like to poke you all regarding starting up [ ] inferno gel next turn and deploying it asap to the Himalayan blue zone I feel that it would synergies fantasticly with zone armor for ruining NODs biomechanical monstrosity's with minimal risk to our troops
Not realy a big plan man but doll I do think this is being heavily slept on
Why do you think inferno gel is some kind of "shut down biomonsters" weapon when our existing weapons are not? The obvious thing to try next would be railgun munitions, preferably the kind that punch deep into a target and detonate in its internals. We haven't even deployed the first phase of railgun munitions yet.

Edit hell after some thought it could be hacked into a stealth detector if airbursted sufficiently far above little bits of flaming gel would stick to stealth tanks and such making them dead meat or forcing a retreat a direct hit is not required
[/quote]That would require us to have a general idea where a stealth tank is, or to carpet bomb the entire battlefield in inferno gel. The former is not easy, the latter causes massive horrific collateral damage.

Banking reforms a year early are worth letting a few dice fall fallow. Moreover, I believe Simon's budget estimate is overly pessimistic on the number of line items we'd be able to drop ...
It's probably overly pessimistic and it's deliberately pessimistic. Because I have a routine practice of almost never planning around something if I don't know how it works or what I can do with it. And I've never seen line item reduction, so I don't know how to estimate the cost.

[] Plan Attempting To Have Banks And Walls Of Guns
I infer that you are strongly in favor of the banking reforms, but strongly opposed to Chicago Phase 4?

It will not be during Reallocation, but it may be during the next election, 2 years later. We have some time to shift dice into Monitor and Island class development and deployment.
We may have time. We don't know how much.

I don't really see why the Treasury should be trying to influence what the Navy puts in the fleet plan. Are the Navy not the experts here? We could easily be locking in something sub-optimal.
To some extent, the Navy builds their plans around what they think they can depend on the Treasury to fund. We've been explicitly told that's what's going on here.
 
Could Inferno gel have civilian uses? If I'm reading description right, it's not an explosive compound.
I'm pretty sure the stuff's too volatile to have a lot of civilian applications, given that it'd Nod. Also, "generate extreme heat" is something you can already do in a civilian environment with things like thermite and induction furnaces.

If Plan Save Moneys, with more SCIENCE! wins I will make a model of the Havoc

Yes this is bribery
And if people think the banking reforms are important enough not to wait a year, you'll just be too disappointed in us all?

Because that's the brilliant "one neat trick" at the core of the plan- postpone a significant institutional reform that we know is going to help boost the civilian economy for at least a year or so, and keep the money for Treasury's internal budgeting instead of putting it in a reserve bank that can engage with said civilian economy.

I don't think this is a good idea. It lets us accomplish a few more projects by funding more dice in early 2062, or funding them to do more expensive things. But civilian economy growth is likely to be one of our mandates for the coming Plan, and even if it isn't, we really ought to be viewing it as our job.
 
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It's probably overly pessimistic and it's deliberately pessimistic. Because I have a routine practice of almost never planning around something if I don't know how it works or what I can do with it. And I've never seen line item reduction, so I don't know how to estimate the cost.
Okay, but it's still something that should be noted and underlined, as while overly pessimistic assessments are good for creating a lower border of the future plan to use as basis, they are not so good for selling the plan currently on vote.
 
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