Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition

Late to the game.
Gonna do a tally to see what the plans are:

Rakuhn said:

I gotta say, it is certainly bold of us to spend 90 Resources on Gachas this turn, and then to turn around a claim that we can't afford to build the programs that the people want, even though we have the spare capacity to do so.

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Never skimp or drag your feet on your basic RnD in the middle of a decades-long global war.
Its our seedcorn.

Redhead222 said:

uhm do not see any digging into the earth plans here are we just ignoring the massive tib problem under the earth here or what??

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No. In my case it is about the Red Zone actions now having +Energy which means that if that is done I can make sure my plan doesn't burn trough all of our Energy supply even if my solution doesn't complete this turn. One of the previous versions of my plan did the mines, but we have a tiberium mining technology that can be developed this turn so I'm doing that and doing the mines next turn.

[X] Attempting To Supply The Canned Beans

[X] Plan Canned Beans + Scrin Research
[X] Plan Dawn of the Final Year

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[X] Plan Dawn of the Final Year
[X] Attempting To Supply The Canned Beans
[X] Plan Canned Beans + Scrin Research


All three plans have 40% or higher Mil spending on the Navy, with no outright red lines I can notice.

Simon gets a vote for a generally coherent plan, even if I disagree with the distribution of naval funding.
Theunderbolt funds the final frigate shipyard, so they get an approval vote.
Derpmind gets my vote for the Scrin research. Even if they are also funding Professional Sports :hiss: :raises cross:

Much thanks to everyone who uses bolded subheaders in their plan formats: @Dmol8 , @Shaper47 ,@BoSPaladin , @Theunderbolt .
Very easy on the eyes, and makes it that much easier to assess resource allocations by department.
Special mention to @Strunkriidiisk , who used a different method. Thank you for taking the trouble; its appreciated.

uju32 said:

All three plans have 40% or higher Mil spending on the Navy, with no outright red lines I can notice.

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Alright since 2/3 of my plans have 40% or higher Mil spending on the Navy what are the red lines I've crossed with my plan(s)?

Edit: plural not singular.

Dmol8 said:

Alright since 2/3 of my plans have 40% or higher Mil spending on the Navy what are the red lines I've crossed with my plan(s)?

Edit: plural not singular.

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Liquid Tiberium Power Plant.

There were other choices I thought were ill-timed or a waste of resources that would have inclined me not to vote for them, but Liquid T Power has always been the equivalent of a third rail for me.
It was a hard no before, and its even more now that Nod is attempting to ramp up their domestic terrorism campaign.

Renegotiation Retrospective.

Now that we have some harder numbers on how much it will take for us to complete the renegotiated plan goals I think its a good idea to take a look at how effective our renegotiation was.

We took three options during our renegotiations:
-Complete Anadyr and Industrial Lasers Before end of Plan (Capital Goods) (Replacing produce 11 additional Capital Goods)
-Complete at least three more phases of Blue Zone Apartments (Arcologies) (Replacing complete one more phase of Arcologies)
-Commit to completing five phases by end of next plan (Karachi) (Replacing complete four phases of Karachi by the end of this Plan)

In reverse order:

The last one we took not for dice reasons, but because of military impracticality. If we hadn't at this point we'd be staring down doing Karachi while dealing with canned sunshine.

The second one we took beacase we knew we would need a lot of housing for people, and we knew going in that it would be cheaper dice wise (~8 dice for a phase of Arcologies vs ~5 dice at the time for three phases of Apartments).

The first is what I really want to talk about as we didn't know exactly how much Crystal Beam Industrial Laser Deployment would cost. We also didn't know that it along with Anadyr would be giving us almost as many Capital Goods as the original plan goal called for. Originally Anadyr cost about 4 dice and we knew Cyrstal Beam Development cost 1 die. We didn't know the cost of the Deployment, which we now know to be ~8 dice.

So the new plan goal cost ~13 dice and provides a net economic benefit of 10 Capital Goods and 8 Energy. The leading option for the raw capital goods goal was Nuuk Phase 4, which would possibly need a phase of Fusion to power it (depending on if our energy dropped too low). That would have cost ~13 dice for Nuuk and ~4 dice for the phase of Fusion if it was needed and provided 32 Capital Goods and 8 Energy.

It is the cheaper option, though it would have put us in the position of having a lot of spare Capital Goods, so much so that we could have afforded an AEVA or two. However, we also wanted Anadyr for Erewhon and because of opportunity costs. Further, I recall a lot of advocacy for the Crystal Beam Lasers as well due to its efficiency upgrades. So its not as if it wasn't a good choice, its just funny to me that we're going to be producing the exact same amount of Capital Goods the original plan goal called for (we produced 1 from Bergen Phase two).

uju32 said:

Liquid Tiberium Power Plant.

There were other choices I thought were ill-timed or a waste of resources that would have inclined me not to vote for them, but Liquid T Power has always been the equivalent of a third rail for me.
It was a hard no before, and its even more now that Nod is attempting to ramp up their domestic terrorism campaign.

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Oh. Alright.

Six plans now with the difference between 1.5 and 1.6 being that 1.5 does Tiberium Power and 1.6 does a Die on Tiberium Vein Mines so more can be done next turn, but the main difference is still in what they go for in the Military action: Carrier, Frigate or OSRCT Stations.

Resources:‌ ‌1020 ‌(15‌ ‌allocated‌ ‌to‌ ‌the‌ ‌Forgotten)‌ ‌(35 ‌allocated‌ ‌to‌ ‌grants)‌(+30 from Taxes) (-5 from Resettlement) (-30 from Reconstruction commissions)

Political‌ ‌Support:‌ 54
SCIENCE Meter: 4/4
Free‌ ‌Dice:‌ ‌7 ‌
Erewhon Dice: 1
Tiberium Spread
21.29 Blue Zone
2.16 Green Zone
22.82 Yellow Zone (98 Points of Abatement)
53.73 Red Zone (70 Points of Abatement)

Current Economic Issues:
Housing: +36 (31 population in low quality housing) (-10 per turn from refugees)
Energy: +16 (+4 in reserve)
Logistics: +26 (-7 from raiding) (-7 from military activity)
Food: +22 (+10 in reserve)
Health: +9 (-8 from Wartime Demand) (-10 from Refugees)
Capital Goods: +27 (+101 in reserve) [-10 at End of War (Will go back this turn) ] [+1 in Q1 2061 ]
STUs: +11
Consumer Goods: +37 (-22 from demand spike) (+3 from Private Industry)
Labor: +43
Tiberium‌ ‌Processing‌ ‌Capacity‌ ‌(1925/2470)‌ ‌
Labor Per Turn: +4
Taxation Per Turn: +30
Space Mining Per Turn: +75
Green Zone Water: +6

[X] Plan Running on Glass v1.5 Carrier:
-[X] Infrastructure 6/6 Dice 95 Resources:
--[X] Yellow Zone Fortress Towns (Phase 6) 220/300 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Blue Zone Apartment Complexes (Phase 3) 72/160 10 Resources per Die, 3 Die = 30 Resources
--[X] Suborbital Shuttle Service (Phase 1) 92/200 30 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 30 Resources
--[X] Bureau of Arcologies (New) -1 Infrastructure Die, -2 to Infrastructure Dice, -15 RpT
-[X] Heavy Industry 5/5 Dice 140 Resources:
--[X] Crystal Beam Industrial Laser Deployment (New) 0/600 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Isolinear Chip Foundry Anadyr 85/320 50 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 100 Resources
--[X] Personal Electric Vehicle Plants (New) 10 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 10 Resources
--[X] Division of Alternative Energy -10 RpT, -1 Heavy Industry Die
-[X] Light and Chemical Industry 5/5 55 Resources:
--[X] Chemical Fertilizer Plants (Phase 2) 276/300 15 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 15 Resources
--[X] Civilian Support Expansion (Phase 1) (New) 0/250 10 Resources per Die, 4 Dice = 40 Resources
-[X] Agriculture 4/4 Dice + 4 Free Dice 80 Resources:
--[X] Blue Zone Aquaponics Bays (Phase 4) 75/140 10 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 30 Resources
--[X] Freeze Dried Food Plants 151/200 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Strategic Food Stockpile Construction (Phase 2) 38/150 10 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 30 Resources
--[X] Extra Large Food Stockpiles 1 Die
-[X] Tiberium 7/7 Dice 150 Resources:
--[X] Intensification of Green Zone Harvesting (Stage 7) 78/100 15 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 15 Resources
--[X] Red Zone Border Offensives (Stage 1) (Updated) 0/250 25 Resources per Die, 4 Dice = 100 Resources
--[X] Liquid Tiberium Power Cell Deployment (Phase 1) 41/140 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Tiberium Harvesting Claws Development (Tech) (New) 0/80 15 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 15 Resources
-[X] Orbital Industry 6/6 Dice + Erewhon Die 120 Resources:
--[X] GDSS Enterprise (Phase 5) 102/1535 20 Resources per Die, 3 Dice + Erewhon Die = 80 Resources
--[X] Orbital Cleanup (Stage 11) 32/85 10 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Lunar Regolith Harvesting (Phase 2) 278/310 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
-[X] Services 5/5 Dice + 1 Free Die 250 Resources:
--[X] Pinhole Portal Early Primitive Prototype Construction (Tech) 56/180 100 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 100 Resources
--[X] Scrin Research Institutions (New) 0/400 30 Resources per Die, 5 Dice = 150 Resources
-[X] Military 8/8 Dice + 1 Free Die 130 Resources:
--[X] Railgun Munitions Development 38/60 10 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 10 Resources
--[X] Skywatch Telescope System 64/95 10 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 10 Resources
--[X] Escort Carrier Shipyards (High Priority) Nagoya 171/240 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Escort Carrier Shipyards (High Priority) New York 0/240 20 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 60 Resources
--[X] Mastodon Heavy Assault Walker Deployment (High Priority) 0/225 10 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 30 Resources
-[X]Bureaucracy 4/4 Dice + 1 Free Die:
--[X] Conduct Economic Census 5 Dice DC 250

95+140+55+80+150+120+250+130 = 1020/1020

[X] Plan Running on Glass v1.5 Frigate:
-[X] Infrastructure 6/6 Dice 95 Resources:
--[X] Yellow Zone Fortress Towns (Phase 6) 220/300 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Blue Zone Apartment Complexes (Phase 3) 72/160 10 Resources per Die, 3 Die = 30 Resources
--[X] Suborbital Shuttle Service (Phase 1) 92/200 30 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 30 Resources
--[X] Bureau of Arcologies (New) -1 Infrastructure Die, -2 to Infrastructure Dice, -15 RpT
-[X] Heavy Industry 5/5 Dice 140 Resources:
--[X] Crystal Beam Industrial Laser Deployment (New) 0/600 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Isolinear Chip Foundry Anadyr 85/320 50 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 100 Resources
--[X] Personal Electric Vehicle Plants (New) 10 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 10 Resources
--[X] Division of Alternative Energy -10 RpT, -1 Heavy Industry Die
-[X] Light and Chemical Industry 5/5 55 Resources:
--[X] Chemical Fertilizer Plants (Phase 2) 276/300 15 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 15 Resources
--[X] Civilian Support Expansion (Phase 1) (New) 0/250 10 Resources per Die, 4 Dice = 40 Resources
-[X] Agriculture 4/4 Dice + 4 Free Dice 80 Resources:
--[X] Blue Zone Aquaponics Bays (Phase 4) 75/140 10 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 30 Resources
--[X] Freeze Dried Food Plants 151/200 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Strategic Food Stockpile Construction (Phase 2) 38/150 10 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 30 Resources
--[X] Extra Large Food Stockpiles 1 Die
-[X] Tiberium 7/7 Dice 150 Resources:
--[X] Intensification of Green Zone Harvesting (Stage 7) 78/100 15 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 15 Resources
--[X] Red Zone Border Offensives (Stage 1) (Updated) 0/250 25 Resources per Die, 4 Dice = 100 Resources
--[X] Liquid Tiberium Power Cell Deployment (Phase 1) 41/140 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Tiberium Harvesting Claws Development (Tech) (New) 0/80 15 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 15 Resources
-[X] Orbital Industry 6/6 Dice + Erewhon Die 110 Resources:
--[X] GDSS Enterprise (Phase 5) 102/1535 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die + Erewhon Die = 40 Resources
--[X] Orbital Cleanup (Stage 11) 32/85 10 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Outer System Survey Probes 0/190 15 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 30 Resources
--[X] Lunar Regolith Harvesting (Phase 2) 278/310 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
-[X] Services 5/5 Dice + 1 Free Die 250 Resources:
--[X] Pinhole Portal Early Primitive Prototype Construction (Tech) 56/180 100 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 100 Resources
--[X] Scrin Research Institutions (New) 0/400 30 Resources per Die, 5 Dice = 150 Resources
-[X] Military 8/8 Dice + 1 Free Die 140 Resources:
--[X] Railgun Munitions Development 38/60 10 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 10 Resources
--[X] Escort Carrier Shipyards (High Priority) Nagoya 171/240 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Shark Class Frigate Shipyard (Seattle) 0/300 20 Resources per Die, 4 Dice = 80 Resources
--[X] Mastodon Heavy Assault Walker Deployment (High Priority) 0/225 10 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 30 Resources
-[X]Bureaucracy 4/4 Dice + 1 Free Die:
--[X] Conduct Economic Census 5 Dice DC 250

95+140+55+80+150+110+250+140 = 1020/1020

[X] Plan Running on Glass v1.5 Intercept:
-[X] Infrastructure 6/6 Dice 95 Resources:
--[X] Yellow Zone Fortress Towns (Phase 6) 220/300 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Blue Zone Apartment Complexes (Phase 3) 72/160 10 Resources per Die, 3 Die = 30 Resources
--[X] Suborbital Shuttle Service (Phase 1) 92/200 30 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 30 Resources
--[X] Bureau of Arcologies (New) -1 Infrastructure Die, -2 to Infrastructure Dice, -15 RpT
-[X] Heavy Industry 5/5 Dice 140 Resources:
--[X] Crystal Beam Industrial Laser Deployment (New) 0/600 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Isolinear Chip Foundry Anadyr 85/320 50 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 100 Resources
--[X] Personal Electric Vehicle Plants (New) 10 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 10 Resources
--[X] Division of Alternative Energy -10 RpT, -1 Heavy Industry Die
-[X] Light and Chemical Industry 5/5 55 Resources:
--[X] Chemical Fertilizer Plants (Phase 2) 276/300 15 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 15 Resources
--[X] Civilian Support Expansion (Phase 1) (New) 0/250 10 Resources per Die, 4 Dice = 40 Resources
-[X] Agriculture 4/4 Dice + 4 Free Dice 80 Resources:
--[X] Blue Zone Aquaponics Bays (Phase 4) 75/140 10 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 30 Resources
--[X] Freeze Dried Food Plants 151/200 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Strategic Food Stockpile Construction (Phase 2) 38/150 10 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 30 Resources
--[X] Extra Large Food Stockpiles 1 Die
-[X] Tiberium 7/7 Dice 150 Resources:
--[X] Intensification of Green Zone Harvesting (Stage 7) 78/100 15 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 15 Resources
--[X] Red Zone Border Offensives (Stage 1) (Updated) 0/250 25 Resources per Die, 4 Dice = 100 Resources
--[X] Liquid Tiberium Power Cell Deployment (Phase 1) 41/140 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Tiberium Harvesting Claws Development (Tech) (New) 0/80 15 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 15 Resources
-[X] Orbital Industry 6/6 Dice + Erewhon Die 110 Resources:
--[X] GDSS Enterprise (Phase 5) 102/1535 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die + Erewhon Die = 40 Resources
--[X] Orbital Cleanup (Stage 11) 32/85 10 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Outer System Survey Probes 0/190 15 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 30 Resources
--[X] Lunar Regolith Harvesting (Phase 2) 278/310 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
-[X] Services 5/5 Dice + 1 Free Die 250 Resources:
--[X] Pinhole Portal Early Primitive Prototype Construction (Tech) 56/180 100 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 100 Resources
--[X] Scrin Research Institutions (New) 0/400 30 Resources per Die, 5 Dice = 150 Resources
-[X] Military 8/8 Dice + 1 Free Die 140 Resources:
--[X] Orbital Strike Regimental Combat Team Stations (Phase 3) 5/295 20 Resources per Die, 4 Dice = 80 Resources
--[X] Railgun Munitions Development 38/60 10 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 10 Resources
--[X] Escort Carrier Shipyards (High Priority) Nagoya 171/240 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Mastodon Heavy Assault Walker Deployment (High Priority) 0/225 10 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 30 Resources
-[X]Bureaucracy 4/4 Dice + 1 Free Die:
--[X] Conduct Economic Census 5 Dice DC 250

95+140+55+80+150+110+250+140 = 1020/1020

[X] Plan Running on Glass v1.6 Carrier:
-[X] Infrastructure 6/6 Dice 95 Resources:
--[X] Yellow Zone Fortress Towns (Phase 6) 220/300 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Blue Zone Apartment Complexes (Phase 3) 72/160 10 Resources per Die, 3 Die = 30 Resources
--[X] Suborbital Shuttle Service (Phase 1) 92/200 30 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 30 Resources
--[X] Bureau of Arcologies (New) -1 Infrastructure Die, -2 to Infrastructure Dice, -15 RpT
-[X] Heavy Industry 5/5 Dice 140 Resources:
--[X] Crystal Beam Industrial Laser Deployment (New) 0/600 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Isolinear Chip Foundry Anadyr 85/320 50 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 100 Resources
--[X] Personal Electric Vehicle Plants (New) 10 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 10 Resources
--[X] Division of Alternative Energy -10 RpT, -1 Heavy Industry Die
-[X] Light and Chemical Industry 5/5 55 Resources:
--[X] Chemical Fertilizer Plants (Phase 2) 276/300 15 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 15 Resources
--[X] Civilian Support Expansion (Phase 1) (New) 0/250 10 Resources per Die, 4 Dice = 40 Resources
-[X] Agriculture 4/4 Dice + 4 Free Dice 80 Resources:
--[X] Blue Zone Aquaponics Bays (Phase 4) 75/140 10 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 30 Resources
--[X] Freeze Dried Food Plants 151/200 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Strategic Food Stockpile Construction (Phase 2) 38/150 10 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 30 Resources
--[X] Extra Large Food Stockpiles 1 Die
-[X] Tiberium 7/7 Dice 150 Resources:
--[X] Tiberium Vein Mines (Stage 2) 5/195 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Intensification of Green Zone Harvesting (Stage 7) 78/100 15 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 15 Resources
--[X] Red Zone Border Offensives (Stage 1) (Updated) 0/250 25 Resources per Die, 4 Dice = 100 Resources
--[X] Tiberium Harvesting Claws Development (Tech) (New) 0/80 15 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 15 Resources
-[X] Orbital Industry 6/6 Dice + Erewhon Die 120 Resources:
--[X] GDSS Enterprise (Phase 5) 102/1535 20 Resources per Die, 3 Dice + Erewhon Die = 80 Resources
--[X] Orbital Cleanup (Stage 11) 32/85 10 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Lunar Regolith Harvesting (Phase 2) 278/310 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
-[X] Services 5/5 Dice + 1 Free Die 250 Resources:
--[X] Pinhole Portal Early Primitive Prototype Construction (Tech) 56/180 100 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 100 Resources
--[X] Scrin Research Institutions (New) 0/400 30 Resources per Die, 5 Dice = 150 Resources
-[X] Military 8/8 Dice + 1 Free Die 130 Resources:
--[X] Railgun Munitions Development 38/60 10 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 10 Resources
--[X] Skywatch Telescope System 64/95 10 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 10 Resources
--[X] Escort Carrier Shipyards (High Priority) Nagoya 171/240 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Escort Carrier Shipyards (High Priority) New York 0/240 20 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 60 Resources
--[X] Mastodon Heavy Assault Walker Deployment (High Priority) 0/225 10 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 30 Resources
-[X]Bureaucracy 4/4 Dice + 1 Free Die:
--[X] Conduct Economic Census 5 Dice DC 250

95+140+55+80+150+120+250+130 = 1020/1020

[X] Plan Running on Glass v1.6 Frigate:
-[X] Infrastructure 6/6 Dice 95 Resources:
--[X] Yellow Zone Fortress Towns (Phase 6) 220/300 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Blue Zone Apartment Complexes (Phase 3) 72/160 10 Resources per Die, 3 Die = 30 Resources
--[X] Suborbital Shuttle Service (Phase 1) 92/200 30 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 30 Resources
--[X] Bureau of Arcologies (New) -1 Infrastructure Die, -2 to Infrastructure Dice, -15 RpT
-[X] Heavy Industry 5/5 Dice 140 Resources:
--[X] Crystal Beam Industrial Laser Deployment (New) 0/600 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Isolinear Chip Foundry Anadyr 85/320 50 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 100 Resources
--[X] Personal Electric Vehicle Plants (New) 10 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 10 Resources
--[X] Division of Alternative Energy -10 RpT, -1 Heavy Industry Die
-[X] Light and Chemical Industry 5/5 55 Resources:
--[X] Chemical Fertilizer Plants (Phase 2) 276/300 15 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 15 Resources
--[X] Civilian Support Expansion (Phase 1) (New) 0/250 10 Resources per Die, 4 Dice = 40 Resources
-[X] Agriculture 4/4 Dice + 4 Free Dice 80 Resources:
--[X] Blue Zone Aquaponics Bays (Phase 4) 75/140 10 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 30 Resources
--[X] Freeze Dried Food Plants 151/200 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Strategic Food Stockpile Construction (Phase 2) 38/150 10 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 30 Resources
--[X] Extra Large Food Stockpiles 1 Die
-[X] Tiberium 7/7 Dice 150 Resources:
--[X] Tiberium Vein Mines (Stage 2) 5/195 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Intensification of Green Zone Harvesting (Stage 7) 78/100 15 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 15 Resources
--[X] Red Zone Border Offensives (Stage 1) (Updated) 0/250 25 Resources per Die, 4 Dice = 100 Resources
--[X] Tiberium Harvesting Claws Development (Tech) (New) 0/80 15 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 15 Resources
-[X] Orbital Industry 6/6 Dice + Erewhon Die 110 Resources:
--[X] GDSS Enterprise (Phase 5) 102/1535 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die + Erewhon Die = 40 Resources
--[X] Orbital Cleanup (Stage 11) 32/85 10 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Outer System Survey Probes 0/190 15 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 30 Resources
--[X] Lunar Regolith Harvesting (Phase 2) 278/310 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
-[X] Services 5/5 Dice + 1 Free Die 250 Resources:
--[X] Pinhole Portal Early Primitive Prototype Construction (Tech) 56/180 100 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 100 Resources
--[X] Scrin Research Institutions (New) 0/400 30 Resources per Die, 5 Dice = 150 Resources
-[X] Military 8/8 Dice + 1 Free Die 140 Resources:
--[X] Railgun Munitions Development 38/60 10 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 10 Resources
--[X] Escort Carrier Shipyards (High Priority) Nagoya 171/240 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Shark Class Frigate Shipyard (Seattle) 0/300 20 Resources per Die, 4 Dice = 80 Resources
--[X] Mastodon Heavy Assault Walker Deployment (High Priority) 0/225 10 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 30 Resources
-[X]Bureaucracy 4/4 Dice + 1 Free Die:
--[X] Conduct Economic Census 5 Dice DC 250

95+140+55+80+150+110+250+140 = 1020/1020

[X] Plan Running on Glass v1.6 Intercept:
-[X] Infrastructure 6/6 Dice 95 Resources:
--[X] Yellow Zone Fortress Towns (Phase 6) 220/300 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Blue Zone Apartment Complexes (Phase 3) 72/160 10 Resources per Die, 3 Die = 30 Resources
--[X] Suborbital Shuttle Service (Phase 1) 92/200 30 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 30 Resources
--[X] Bureau of Arcologies (New) -1 Infrastructure Die, -2 to Infrastructure Dice, -15 RpT
-[X] Heavy Industry 5/5 Dice 140 Resources:
--[X] Crystal Beam Industrial Laser Deployment (New) 0/600 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Isolinear Chip Foundry Anadyr 85/320 50 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 100 Resources
--[X] Personal Electric Vehicle Plants (New) 10 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 10 Resources
--[X] Division of Alternative Energy -10 RpT, -1 Heavy Industry Die
-[X] Light and Chemical Industry 5/5 55 Resources:
--[X] Chemical Fertilizer Plants (Phase 2) 276/300 15 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 15 Resources
--[X] Civilian Support Expansion (Phase 1) (New) 0/250 10 Resources per Die, 4 Dice = 40 Resources
-[X] Agriculture 4/4 Dice + 4 Free Dice 80 Resources:
--[X] Blue Zone Aquaponics Bays (Phase 4) 75/140 10 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 30 Resources
--[X] Freeze Dried Food Plants 151/200 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Strategic Food Stockpile Construction (Phase 2) 38/150 10 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 30 Resources
--[X] Extra Large Food Stockpiles 1 Die
-[X] Tiberium 7/7 Dice 150 Resources:
--[X] Tiberium Vein Mines (Stage 2) 5/195 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Intensification of Green Zone Harvesting (Stage 7) 78/100 15 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 15 Resources
--[X] Red Zone Border Offensives (Stage 1) (Updated) 0/250 25 Resources per Die, 4 Dice = 100 Resources
--[X] Tiberium Harvesting Claws Development (Tech) (New) 0/80 15 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 15 Resources
-[X] Orbital Industry 6/6 Dice + Erewhon Die 110 Resources:
--[X] GDSS Enterprise (Phase 5) 102/1535 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die + Erewhon Die = 40 Resources
--[X] Orbital Cleanup (Stage 11) 32/85 10 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Outer System Survey Probes 0/190 15 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 30 Resources
--[X] Lunar Regolith Harvesting (Phase 2) 278/310 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
-[X] Services 5/5 Dice + 1 Free Die 250 Resources:
--[X] Pinhole Portal Early Primitive Prototype Construction (Tech) 56/180 100 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 100 Resources
--[X] Scrin Research Institutions (New) 0/400 30 Resources per Die, 5 Dice = 150 Resources
-[X] Military 8/8 Dice + 1 Free Die 140 Resources:
--[X] Orbital Strike Regimental Combat Team Stations (Phase 3) 5/295 20 Resources per Die, 4 Dice = 80 Resources
--[X] Railgun Munitions Development 38/60 10 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 10 Resources
--[X] Escort Carrier Shipyards (High Priority) Nagoya 171/240 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
--[X] Mastodon Heavy Assault Walker Deployment (High Priority) 0/225 10 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 30 Resources
-[X]Bureaucracy 4/4 Dice + 1 Free Die:
--[X] Conduct Economic Census 5 Dice DC 250

95+140+55+80+150+110+250+140 = 1020/1020

So the differences between the 3 plans are that Carrier does Skywatch and more Enterprise while Frigate and Intercept do less Enterprise and do Outer System Survey Probes instead to stay in budget. Also that each plan does 1 thing different in Military: Carrier does another Carrier Shipyard, Frigate does the last Frigate Shipyard and Intercept does the Phase 3 of OSRCT Stations:

- 1 Die on Yellow Zone Fortress Towns for a 68% chance and a DC of 33 to complete Phase 6.
- 3 Dice on Blue Zone Apartment Complexes for a 100% chance and an Average DC of 1 to complete Phase 3 and a 65% chance and an Average DC of 44 to complete Phase 4 and be done with this plan goal.
- 1 Die on Suborbital Shuttle Service for a 42% chance and a DC of 59 to complete Phase 1 and get the Himmalayan Blue Zone some logistical support.
- 1 Die on Bureau of Arcologies so we are always building at least a small amount of High Quality Housing so that we don't have to do Housing actions every turn.

- 1 Die on Crystal Beam Industrial Laser Deployment to get started on that.
- 2 Die on Anadyr for a 8% chance and an Average DC of 89 to complete. Probably finished next turn with another Die.
- 1 Die on Personal Electric Vehicle Plants because we will need that for better Economic Development of our society so might as well get started on it now to save some money. It's not getting thrown away on it.
- 1 Die on Division of Alternative Energy so we have enough Energy in case everything that can completes this turn and so we build some amount of Energy each turn.

- 1 Die on Chemical Fertilizer Plants for a 100% chance and a DC of 1 to complete it and get the Food from it.
- 4 Dice on Civilian Support Expansion because while not a plan goal this one is urgent if we want to take as many refugees in as properly as possible and make it so Initiative First loses even more political ground. No I don't expect this to help with Reynaldo unless we roll a crit.

- 3 Dice on Blue Zone Aquaponics Bays for a 100% chance and an Average DC of 1 to complete Phase 4 and a 74% chance and an Average DC of 40 to complete Phase 5 and get us enough food to offset the Extra Large Food Stockpiles.
- 1 Die on Freeze Dried Food Plants if we can take that action next turn. 91% chance and a DC of 10 to complete if nothing has changed.
- 3 Dice on Strategic Food Stockpile Construction for a 99% chance and an Average DC of 10 to complete Phase 2 and a 18% chance and an Average DC of 65 to complete Phase 3 and get us to the point where our most neglected Plan goal can now be slow rolled.
- 1 Die on Extra Large Food Stockpiles to get that done and start building towards the stockpile goal properly.

- 1 Die on Tiberium Vein Mines to get started on that in the 1.6 Plans.
- 1 Die on Intensification of Green Zone Harvesting for a 100% chance and a DC of 1 to complete Stage 7 and a 33% chance and a DC of 68 to complete Stage 8 if we also complete Phase 6 of Yellow Zone Fortress Towns.
- 4 Dice on Red Zone Border Offensives currently for a 99% chance and an Average DC of 20 to complete Stage 1 and get us +2 Energy and Super Glaciers. Will make it easier to do Stage 2 next turn.
- 1 Die on Liquid Tiberium Power Cell Deployment in 1.5 plans for a 56% chance and a DC of 45 to deploy some Energy in this emergency of having too much crap to rapidly build in Heavy Industry.
- 1 Die on Tiberium Harvesting Claws for a 80% chance and a DC of 21 to develop an improvement to Tiberium Mines so they can be worked on soon.

- 2/4 Dice, one of them Erewhon, on Enterprise to get started on that Plan Goal.
- 2 Die on Orbital Cleanup for a 100% chance and an Average DC of 1 to complete Stage 11 and a 76% chance and an Average DC of 36 to complete Orbital Cleanup and get us that +5 Political Support to offset the Liquid Tiberium Power Cells.
- 2 Die in Frigate and Intercept on Outer System Survey Probes for a 31% chance and an Average DC of 62 to complete that and be done with the Probe actions. This one is one part saving money and one part I just want to get SCED Quest more funding.
- 1 Die on Lunar Regolith Harvesting for a 100% chance and a DC of 1 to complete Phase 2.

- 1 Die on Pinhole Portal Early Primitive Prototype Construction for a 19% chance and a DC of 82 to complete with this plan. This is an expensive bastard of an action.
- 5 Dice on Scrin Research Institutions for a 66% chance and an Average DC of 50 to complete. If we are doing this, let's do it properly. Nothing beneath a DC of 50

- 3 Dice on either Escort Carrier Shipyards New York for a 54% chance and an Average DC of 49 to complete in Carrier plan or 4 Dice on Shark Class Frigate Shipyards Seattle for a 64% chance and an Average DC of 46 to complete the Shark Frigate Deployment or 4 Dice on OSRCT Stations Phase 3 for a 81% chance and an Average DC of 43 to complete that Phase and move forward with a plan goal.
- 1 Die on Railgun Munitions Development to get that done.
- 1 Die on Skywatch to complete it in Carrier.
- 1 Die on Escort Carrier Shipyards Nagoya for a 73% chance and a DC of 28 to complete.
- 3 Dice on Mastadon deployment for a 65% chance and Average DC of 44 because I want to pull the Steel Talons Devil Trigger as soon as possible so they have more infrastructure to work with.

- 5 Dice on Conduct Economic Census for a 96% chance and an Average DC of 28 to get past the highest DC of 250.

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Ithillid will we need to refiy any of the shipyards and slipways for the Governor A Development (New) (Platform) Upgrade?

Cerazor said:

Ithillid will we need to refiy any of the shipyards and slipways for the Governor A Development (New) (Platform) Upgrade?

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Some, yes. Won't be as much as building new shipyards though.

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Wew that's a lot of discussion.

Redhead222 said:

uhm do not see any digging into the earth plans here are we just ignoring the massive tib problem under the earth here or what??

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We just unlocked Harvesting Claws, which will substantially increase the efficiency of Vein Mines and make dealing with the problem a lot easier.
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uju32 said:

Derpmind gets my vote for the Scrin research. Even if they are also funding Professional Sports :hiss: :raises cross:

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Well, in all honesty, with the rate of war casualties probably winding down so that Health indicator status improves, I think we should go for the sports program some time this year. We could really use the Political Support, and we don't have a lot of other sources. Remember that Seo gets unique and valuable research options (like genetic engineering and visceroid research) that will go away when he leaves office, but that cost Political Support. We should be trying to earn enough PS that we can afford to buy all those options.

doruma1920 said:

The first is what I really want to talk about as we didn't know exactly how much Crystal Beam Industrial Laser Deployment would cost. We also didn't know that it along with Anadyr would be giving us almost as many Capital Goods as the original plan goal called for. Originally Anadyr cost about 4 dice and we knew Cyrstal Beam Development cost 1 die. We didn't know the cost of the Deployment, which we now know to be ~8 dice.

So the new plan goal cost ~13 dice and provides a net economic benefit of 10 Capital Goods and 8 Energy. The leading option for the raw capital goods goal was Nuuk Phase 4, which would possibly need a phase of Fusion to power it (depending on if our energy dropped too low). That would have cost ~13 dice for Nuuk and ~4 dice for the phase of Fusion if it was needed and provided 32 Capital Goods and 8 Energy.

It is the cheaper option, though it would have put us in the position of having a lot of spare Capital Goods, so much so that we could have afforded an AEVA or two. However, we also wanted Anadyr for Erewhon and because of opportunity costs. Further, I recall a lot of advocacy for the Crystal Beam Lasers as well due to its efficiency upgrades. So its not as if it wasn't a good choice, its just funny to me that we're going to be producing the exact same amount of Capital Goods the original plan goal called for (we produced 1 from Bergen Phase two).

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Ehh...

This was probably a bad choice in hindsight. What tips it over the line is that we have quite a number of viable Capital Goods options from things that aren't megaprojects (i.e. not ~1000 Progress, stuff we can plausibly hope to complete in 1-2 turns of serious investment without going full meme plan), and that we have significant incentive to do anyway.

+6 from Chicago Phase 4 (mostly Infrastructure plus some Heavy Industry)
+6 from Crystal Beam Industrial Laser Deployment (Heavy Industry)
+4 from Isolinear Chip Foundry Anadyr (Heavy Industry)
+2 from Bergen Phase 3 (Light Industry)
+4 from Carbon Nanotube Foundry Expansions (Light Industry)
+2 from Enterprise Phase 5 (Orbital)

Now, just looking at the ones we were planning to do anyway, Anadyr, Enterprise Phase 5, and Chicago Phase 4 let us accomplish the original Plan goal while spending only about half a dozen of the highly demanded Heavy Industry dice. Instead, we'd just spend a bunch of Orbital dice on something we were going to do anyway, and a bunch of the otherwise not-so-heavily-needed Infrastructure dice (especially now that they were freed up by the arcology/apartment switch and the Karachi postponement) on something that also has the happy side effect of meeting our refinery expansion target.

There were also a number of ways to get +2, +4, or +6 Capital Goods out of Light Industry dice, even while also doing various other minor light projects for consumer goods production and things like Civilian Drone Factories.

In hindsight, locking ourselves in to do about 13 dice worth of Heavy Industry projects in a little over a year while also needing to build 2-3 more phases of fusion power was a bad choice, because we could have met the original Capital Goods target with a more diversified approach and by taking advantage of collateral benefits that we were probably already going to do anyway.

My sneaking suspicion is that someone pulled a fast one on Treasury- we spent political capital to renegotiate a Plan goal in a way that, in essence, didn't simplify things for us or even make them cheaper to do, because we underestimated the probable cost of the worldwide laser rollout.

Khop said:

Wew that's a lot of discussion.

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Look on the bright side: You aren't the one stuck 200 pages back in this thread.

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Simon_Jester said:

Well, in all honesty, with the rate of war casualties probably winding down so that Health indicator status improves, I think we should go for the sports program some time this year. We could really use the Political Support, and we don't have a lot of other sources. Remember that Seo gets unique and valuable research options (like genetic engineering and visceroid research) that will go away when he leaves office, but that cost Political Support. We should be trying to earn enough PS that we can afford to buy all those options.

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OK so no. Just no. I agree we should get Seo's research options done at some point and scrounging the PS to do so, but for now immediately after the relocations we should be doing all of the Caloric Reclamation actions as soon as we can because while on Earth that is for emergency plan completion only, in space those are going to be a very useful tech for better colonies once they are more developed and don't taste horribly.

Edit 2: @Simon_Jester the Edit button exists precisely so that posters don't have to delete their posts before remaking them.

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Tib power. I want to finish stage 1 and only 1. To slowly develop safety measures for liquid tib. Plus they do they divisions which would be nice to have going a bit before relocation
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dbRevned said:

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[X] Plan Running on Glass v1.5 Frigate:
[X] Plan Running on Glass v1.5 Intercept:

Tib power. I want to finish stage 1 and only 1. To slowly develop safety measures for liquid tib. Plus they do they divisions which would be nice to have going a bit before relocation

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Edit: v1.4 also does Tib power and at least one poster has voted for the Carrier one already.

Dmol8 said:

OK so no. Just no. I agree we should get Seo's research options done at some point and scrounging the PS to do so, but for now immediately after the relocations we should be doing all of the Caloric Reclamation actions as soon as we can because while on Earth that is for emergency plan completion only, in space those are going to be a very useful tech for better colonies once they are more developed and don't taste horribly.

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I'm gonna disagree on this one. I think sorting out proper space agriculture will suffice unless we end up having to completely evacuate earth and that's not something we have to worry about food for right after reallocation. I think most likely we won't have to do that at all.

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MightbeaMimic said:

I'm gonna disagree on this one. I think sorting out proper space agriculture will suffice unless we end up having to completely evacuate earth and that's not something we have to worry about food for right after reallocation. I think most likely we won't have to do that at all.

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Caloric Reclamation is really important for space development, especially early one, because on Earth we can rely on the cycles of matter to keep things going even on a planet infested with Tiberium, but in space we have to build up mater cycles as part of our infrastructure in order to be able to live there and Caloric Reclamation and technologies derived from it will give us more slack and more flexibility in our synthetic cycles.