Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
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- USA
Once we get Karachi done, I personally support Chicago 4-5 not because of what it does mechanically but because of what the capstone will get us.
Also ithillid has said we're ever only going to have 2 planned city options and Chicago is going to clog one up until we finish it.
Also ithillid has said we're ever only going to have 2 planned city options and Chicago is going to clog one up until we finish it.
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It might help but planes, lasers, plasma bombs and shells are going to be more use than a handful of super tanks.
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- He/Him
Also, the really big harvester game-changer is the harvesting tentacles and we don't have those yet.
I don't think the railgun harvesters are completely obsolete just because we might have a new generation of harvesters ready for production within the year. If nothing else it'll be nice to have the next time we start shaking ZOCOM down for spare quarters.
@Simon_Jester's plan in Q3 2059 was to start a Beirut RZ hub, as support for Karachi.
We didn't vote for that.
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- Wall Gazing
Railgun harvesters should stay relevant for a long time, I think we're going to end up building most/all of their factories over 2060 as a cheap way to use up Tib dice when our budget gets stressed by heavy HI spending. That heavy HI spending should spit out enough energy to pretty comfortably do the factories and the harvesters themselves are still going to have a niche even after the hover harvester is developed.
A tricked out hover harvester with all the fancy Scrintech will definitely be "better" at most things on a 1:1 basis but I think a good ol' fashioned brick of metal with a gun is always going to be useful to have for harvesting operations in combat zones. You might not want your very expensive flying Scrintech harvester to get shot at, especially if the hover drives end up having a lower weight limit than wheels and we can't load the thing down with thick armor plating. Even if a theoretical hover harvester ends up just as well defended, we're probably plain not going to be able to make enough to issue one to every single harvesting operation on the planet. Scrintech is expensive in both mundane materials and more importantly in STU's, which we're going to rapidly use up our current stockpile of.
The repulsors are going to cost STU's, the new lasers are going to cost STU's, the harvesting tentacles will probably cost STU's, the t-glass is already costing STU's. We're going to end up having to triage STU expenditure unless we get some significantly improved refining techs, and I'd much rather spend the STU's we do have on more lasers for the military or more hover trucks for the logistical corps than on hover harvesters if we have perfectly functional railgun models that can fill the role instead without using them up.
A tricked out hover harvester with all the fancy Scrintech will definitely be "better" at most things on a 1:1 basis but I think a good ol' fashioned brick of metal with a gun is always going to be useful to have for harvesting operations in combat zones. You might not want your very expensive flying Scrintech harvester to get shot at, especially if the hover drives end up having a lower weight limit than wheels and we can't load the thing down with thick armor plating. Even if a theoretical hover harvester ends up just as well defended, we're probably plain not going to be able to make enough to issue one to every single harvesting operation on the planet. Scrintech is expensive in both mundane materials and more importantly in STU's, which we're going to rapidly use up our current stockpile of.
The repulsors are going to cost STU's, the new lasers are going to cost STU's, the harvesting tentacles will probably cost STU's, the t-glass is already costing STU's. We're going to end up having to triage STU expenditure unless we get some significantly improved refining techs, and I'd much rather spend the STU's we do have on more lasers for the military or more hover trucks for the logistical corps than on hover harvesters if we have perfectly functional railgun models that can fill the role instead without using them up.
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- Location
- United States
[X] Plan Catching-Up The Military
[X] Plan Higher Skies Revised with no power loss
[X] Plan Higher Skies Revised with no power loss
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I vaguely recall the reason for inhibitors in the first place being that Tiberium was adapting to our vibration-based abatement devices and those would soon be rendered nearly ineffective. Is that still happening?
Also, yeah, railroads are just about useless rn.
Sailor_Skarro
The Lurker
That's still happening, that's what the Mutation rolls are for. The Tiberium Inhibitors and ESPECIALLY the Stabilizer coming in at around that time was just a lucky quirk of the Scrin Piñata though.
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
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- USG Ishimura
As someone with Chicago as their home city, I'm highly in favor of this.
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- ?????????
[X] Plan Catching-Up The Military
[X]Plan Robots, Ace Combat, and Combine Harvesters
[X]Plan Robots, Ace Combat, and Combine Harvesters
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1)Yes it does matter.
It translates to how many targets a single Firehawk can simultaneously engage. The ability to throw multiple missiles at a single target markedly improves your ability to generate a kill; a pK of 0.5 with one missile jumps to 0.75 with a pair of them.
2) We know nothing about the range of the missiles the Barghest-B carries, how good the seekers are, how susceptible they are to GDI ECM and decoys. I mean, it wasnt that long ago that we cracked Nod ECCM.
Just carrying missiles does not translate to suddenly matching GDI engagement range or missile capability.
3)Turning battle is not likely to be a big part of GDI doctrine. We developed the QAAM for a reason.
High offbore targeting is a thing with modern missiles. You can literally launch a missile over your shoulder at a pursuer you have on radar or EODAS. And regardless the Barghest's ability to sustain 15-20 gravity maneuvers doesnt help when a turn of the century AIM-9 Sidewinder can do 60 gravity maneuvers.
4)You are misreading that.
It doesnt say that the Barghest is better than the Firehawk; it says that the Firehawk no longer meets Air Force requirements to be in the air superiority role. That may be that its kill ratio has dropped against new Nod aircraft and SAMs, or simply that its being outperformed by the Apollo.
We arent supposed to be meddling in elections.
And frankly of the Treasury's supporters, the Starbound are like third on the list after the Devs and Market Socialists.
If we were going to get involved in politics, the Starbound are near the bottom of the list just by virtue of what they
LSD was being investigated for psychiatric use before even clinical
Ketamine is a common IV anesthetic in the Third World with hallucinogenic properties, and is used in antidepressant pharmacotherapy. MDMA/ecstasy has seen some use in treating anxiety disorders and PTSD; also a hallucinogen.
Thats just three of them. Im sure there's more.
Not really.
Developing countermeasures against an inhalational and contact chemical weapon isnt necessarily going to have much overlap with modifying the parent chemical into a pharmaceutical compound for PO/parenteral administration.
Once we're done with the third Arcology to meet Infrastructure Plan Goals?
Sure. I'd vote for it, at least.
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- Alaska
We completed some major military projects last turn, and ground forces have high confidence. I think we need to start looking at the economy now. There's some pretty clear hints that we're too low on capital goods and its causing problems.
[X]Plan Robots, Ace Combat, and Combine Harvesters
[X]Plan Robots, Ace Combat, and Combine Harvesters
The eve of an invasion of Nod Pakistan is definitely NOT the time to take your foot off the gas of military spending.
I think there's a case to be made for continuing to do 15 Mil dice this turn only because of the looming invasion, and specifically those dice should go on consumables production. Our consumables factories can't even really keep up with current demand, and we need to get ahead of the giant spike that fighting a land war in Asia will represent to consumption of.... everything. Because consumables are progress intensive we need to plow a bunch of dice into them this turn, starting in Q1 (assuming our consumables supplies mostly hold up) we can back way off the raw dice investment and lean harder on Mil projects that are capital/energy/resource intensive rather than progress intensive.
But failing to produce enough bullets and armor plating the turn immediately before spiking bullet and armor consumption is a bad idea IMO. We can see a massive glowing weak point in our supply chain that's about to get stressed harder, we do have to fix that even if on the strategic level we should start backing off on military dice allocations next year.
But failing to produce enough bullets and armor plating the turn immediately before spiking bullet and armor consumption is a bad idea IMO. We can see a massive glowing weak point in our supply chain that's about to get stressed harder, we do have to fix that even if on the strategic level we should start backing off on military dice allocations next year.
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Stop short-selling the Barghest-bis. A combination of Tib-haze and increasing speed has made ranges effectively much shorter and missiles less reliable. Dogfights can and do happen, and they're the Barghest's preferred operating environment. The Barghest-bis is fast enough to force such an engagement and has missiles to shoot its way in. And once it gets in, it has a dramatic kinematic advantage over the Firehawk. If they don't decisively win the merge, they're effectively screwed. Yes, the Firehawk can still secure kills under favorable circumstances, but it's entirely too close to a fair fight for the zoomies to be happy. they want an edge.
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- USA
[X] Plan Catching-Up The Military
I REALLY wish this did wingman development so we could do escort carrier development next turn but that's my only objection really. Everything else looks solid.
I REALLY wish this did wingman development so we could do escort carrier development next turn but that's my only objection really. Everything else looks solid.
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- Alaska
The war factory refits are done , and the other big invasion projects are finishing up under both plans. The big difference is that the military plan is using 6 free dice to get one stage of ablatives and one stage of orbital drop troopers.
A stage of ablatives might be nice, but the game changing projects, like Zone Armor, are stuck waiting on capital goods.
A stage of ablatives might be nice, but the game changing projects, like Zone Armor, are stuck waiting on capital goods.
Ablatives have been Very High Priority for years on end, every branch has been loudly shouting that they want more of the magic anti-laser armor basically since we invented it. Increasing ablat supplies definitely counts as a gamechanger, it's not as flashy as power armor or plasma cannons but finally scaling up production after being constantly pestered about it for years should significantly increase survivability across the board.
We can just...not massively increase consumption with a huge invasion next turn? And it's not like our ground forces are bad, we can probably pull this off without too much trouble-as long as the conflict stays regional.
I hear you about the resource income, but I am interested to see if the rare metals mines produce a significant discount per stage completed on the other mines. I'm not so much here for the R/turn, as for the progress deductions from other mines.
Honestly, I'm a bit soft on the Capital Goods reserve myself since it will block public sector growth somewhat but like, we have other fish to fry.
Well yeah, they are cheap ways to burn Tib dice, and one inhibitor is expensive but like, where else are we gonna spend the money?
I hear you about the resource income, but I am interested to see if the rare metals mines produce a significant discount per stage completed on the other mines. I'm not so much here for the R/turn, as for the progress deductions from other mines.
Honestly, I'm a bit soft on the Capital Goods reserve myself since it will block public sector growth somewhat but like, we have other fish to fry.
[X] Plan Catching-Up The Military
