No, but we got an explicit answer about how much explodeyjuice most methods of sabotage produce and it's no worse than conventional explosives or heavy industrial accidents, measured in tons of TNT not kilotons. The kiloton figure came about specifically in reference to catalyst devices, it's not the default failure state from chucking a wrench in the gears it's the theroetical absolute worst case if Kane comes back and starts handing out catalysts like candy.
Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
No, but we got an explicit answer about how much explodeyjuice most methods of sabotage produce and it's no worse than conventional explosives or heavy industrial accidents, measured in tons of TNT not kilotons. The kiloton figure came about specifically in reference to catalyst devices, it's not the default failure state from chucking a wrench in the gears it's the theroetical absolute worst case if Kane comes back and starts handing out catalysts like candy.
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OK, wait. How does Beirut preclude Karachi?
We have to wait until Q1 anyway, so we have this quarter and next to push out out the Beirut fleet if we chose to. And it's not even like the overspill goes to waste either--it cascades over into neighboring Hubs.
There is this:
[] Plan Mass Military and Martians and a MARV
Both Mass Military and Mass Military And Martians drop Savannah in favor of an Administrative die towards OSRCT. I'm not sure if you were aware of that.
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I am already voting for that. It's a good compromise. No new MARVs and it gets us that 15 RpT that's nice to have.
Sailor_Skarro
The Lurker
Because our timing on Karachi is very, very, very tight to get as much prep as we can crammed in before Q1 and whatever nightmare we crack open in India? And we don't have the spare dice for multiple MARV fleets?
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They may not be leading plans right now, but there are plans that only do Savannah. And they can become leading plans if enough people approval vote for them.
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I just think the Beirut MARV both isn't immediately necessary, and is liable to leave us committing dice to MARVs next turn when we really want to work ourselves up for the Karachi sprint. Our Ground Forces are the most confident of any branch- they can hold the approach to Mecca a little longer.
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I just think the Beirut MARV both isn't immediately necessary, and is liable to leave us committing dice to MARVs next turn when we really want to work ourselves up for the Karachi sprint. Our Ground Forces are the most confident of any branch- they can hold the approach to Mecca a little longer.
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It's -1 Cap Good per factory. You literally can't go any lower...
...unless some factories specialize in new Zone Defenders?
Personally I think it'll split up later phases of Zone Armor factories into Zone Defenders and other Zone suits.
So speaking as the person who made Plan Mass Military and the Mysterious Martian Materials, I would strongly encourage everyone voting for it to also consider voting for Plan Mass Military and Martians and a MARV.
In fact I'm now preferentially voting for just the MARV version over my original variant, I think the Bureaucratic Assistance die is probably better used getting us a new income stream than it is getting some extra progress on the OSRCT station given the 8-10 extra dice we're about to have dumped on us next turn. Losing one unmodified die on OSRCT this turn will be more than made up for by getting multiple full Mil dice with the full modifier next turn, and funding those dice by completing the MARV this turn will help keep the plan reality.
In fact I'm now preferentially voting for just the MARV version over my original variant, I think the Bureaucratic Assistance die is probably better used getting us a new income stream than it is getting some extra progress on the OSRCT station given the 8-10 extra dice we're about to have dumped on us next turn. Losing one unmodified die on OSRCT this turn will be more than made up for by getting multiple full Mil dice with the full modifier next turn, and funding those dice by completing the MARV this turn will help keep the plan reality.
This is not chucking a wrench in the works; its exploiting the natural function of the reactor to discharge more energy than is safe.
That joins catalyst weapons and explosives as ways to make liquid T go boom.
It applies to the mass rollout. Not for this phase, which applies to the spearhead troops.
Probably not necessary in the mediumterm.
Yes but the scale is totally different. Bombing a liquid Tib reactor with anything besides a catalyst will not get you kiloton scale detonations. Trying to present all failure modes as "building kiloton bombs in our back yard" is straight up wrong, that's a very specific worst case failure caused by ONLY catalyst weapons. A more reasonable failure state with conventional bombs won't blow up any harder than a chemical plant or any other energy-dense industry would, and we build those wherever. A fertilizer factory probably cooks off harder than a liquid Tib reactor honestly.
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[X] Plan Mass Military and Martians and a MARV
[X] Plan Borealis with Big Tonks
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[X] Plan Borealis
[X]Plan REFIIIIIIT
[X] Plan ICS, OSRCT, Auroras, Super Orcas, Fly Columbia!
[X] Plan Borealis with Big Tonks
[X] Plan: Package Delivery, Amazon Version
[X] Plan Military and Income
[X] Plan Borealis
[X]Plan REFIIIIIIT
[X] Plan ICS, OSRCT, Auroras, Super Orcas, Fly Columbia!
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
Hmm, given the overall push for MARV, I'm willing to make the switch if more of those who voted for my plan give it the okay.
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I'll go with it
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
Alright, swap has been made due to a lack of overall objections and a general leaning people have of wanting the S-MARV Fleet done.
